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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 12 18:37:05 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 11 19:02:06 2022. That's why, whenever I rode on the standards on the Lonesome Larry, the motorman would goose them on the downhill portion of the 14th St. tunnel in order to build up a full head of steam for the uphill climb. Their gear pitch would slowly drop as they labored up the incline, as low as B below middle C before either cutting power at Bedford Ave. or the tracks leveled out before First Ave. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 12 18:38:38 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Jan 12 15:29:16 2022. They were underpowered, to say the least. Two 140-hp motors on a car that weighed up to 49 tons. If ever a subway car could have benefitted from beefier motors, it was the BMT standards. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 12 22:01:28 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 15:27:19 2022. In olden days the road motorman never relayed his own train.They had an influx of switchmen at the terminals. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 22:09:44 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 12 22:01:28 2022. thanks Bill.It looks like the train just arrived and the motorman is getting off or the switchman is getting on and about to throw the reverser key which is why the sealed beams are still not illuminated. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 12 22:38:46 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 22:09:44 2022. What sealed beams? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 22:48:58 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 12 22:38:46 2022. Headlights.In NYCT they say sealed beams. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 12 23:00:55 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 22:48:58 2022. That equipment didn't have "sealed beam" headlights.IIRC they were called running lights. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 23:40:53 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 12 23:00:55 2022. thanks. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 13 11:01:16 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 12 18:37:05 2022. I wonder how the triplexes would have roared on the Central Park West run before it was castrated? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 13:58:36 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 12 18:38:38 2022. Correct! the 98,000lb (49 ton) motor cars were even slower when coupled with one or more 4000 series trailer cars. The Standard trailers were still heavy at 94,000lb (47 ton). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 13 20:20:04 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Jan 13 11:01:16 2022. Never mind the Triplexes; I wonder how fast the multis would taken that stretch! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 13 20:21:06 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 13:58:36 2022. That's why trailers were banned from the Manhattan Bridge. IINM they spent most of their careers on the Three Stooges Division. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 13 20:23:33 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 12 23:40:53 2022. None of the R-1s ever had headlights, although I believe 381 has them now and 103 might. 100 does not have them. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jan 13 21:05:10 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 13 20:23:33 2022. R-1 #380 had the seal beam headlights while in regular service, as seen here on the "D" at 59th-8th. Museum cars #103 and #381 have them currently, but still not #100. -William A. Padron ["59"] |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 13 23:27:55 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jan 13 20:20:04 2022. Any BMT equipment would do better on the IND due to the voltage difference. In the old days the BMT only cranked out 550 volts while the IND supplied the full 600. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 13 23:31:35 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jan 13 13:58:36 2022. The problem wasn’t the HP of the motors. It was that the BMT steels had maximum traction trucks inly one motor per truck instead of a 2 motor truck and a trailer truck as other equipments had. Like the replacement trucks from the Composites as used on the Qs, maximum traction trucks don’t do well with trailers in the consist since there is not enough weight on any truck to give good traction. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 13 23:45:07 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jan 12 22:01:28 2022. On the BMT, the road M/M relayed their own trains earlier than most of us realize. The various operating procedures of the divisions underwent several changes over the years. At one time the IND had something written into their work programs called WAD for work as directed similar to the present WAA work as assigned which was used for variousC/R and M/M’s duties like putting in, laying up and relaying trains. The IND for several years went to the use of switchmen for non road duties while the BMT stuck with it in the form of what used to be called T/C for transfer cars. Crew objecting to being ordered to make road trips during T/C time caused to TA to rename the non road time in the work programs to the current WAA. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 14 21:18:37 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by randyo on Thu Jan 13 23:27:55 2022. I've heard that on the Brighton line, the voltage might drop as low as 475 volts. Everybody out and push! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jan 14 21:19:25 2022, in response to Re: [OLDE PHOTO] D-Types At Queensboro Plaza, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Jan 13 21:05:10 2022. Don't quote me on that.:) |
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