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Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 5 11:41:44 2021

Really?

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 5 12:48:09 2021, in response to Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 5 11:41:44 2021.

Say what you want, but those Hudson River tunnels are living on borrowed time.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by Allan on Sun Dec 5 12:48:24 2021, in response to Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 5 11:41:44 2021.

The key phrase is "once funding is secured".

Who knows how long that can take.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 5 14:01:34 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by Allan on Sun Dec 5 12:48:24 2021.

Ok, thanks!

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by VictorM on Sun Dec 5 18:51:00 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 5 12:48:09 2021.

The cast iron shells of the tunnels are in good shape; it's the inner concrete liners that are the problem. If NJT and Amtrak NYP ridership has declined sufficiently because of Covid and WFH they may be to shut down and rehab one of the two North River tunnels while they single track through the other. This could be done a lot faster than Gateway.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by kp5308 on Sun Dec 5 21:03:56 2021, in response to Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 5 11:41:44 2021.

I don't buy this for a second

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 5 21:21:07 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by VictorM on Sun Dec 5 18:51:00 2021.

best to get it done before the shit hits the fan (inevitable) and there won't be any money to build such a thing for another fifty years.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 6 03:41:04 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by VictorM on Sun Dec 5 18:51:00 2021.

Each tube has only one track. NJT and Amtrak have already stated that
without the new tunnels(also one track per tube) rail service to NY Penn
(NYP) would be reduced by 75%. PATH does not have the capacity and not
enough rolling stock to handle a 75% reduction in Amtrak/NJT service
from Newark Penn (NWK) to NYP.

Guess what? Amtrak owns the tunnels. That means NJT would suffer greatly
and Amtrak would have nearly 100% service and Midtown Direct would be
what the locals calls Midtown INdirect and goes to Hoboken (HOB) .
Raritan Valley to NYP - NO! end at NWK .

The roads , Bridges and tunnels to NY can not handle the traffic when
the existing tunnels are rehabbed before the new runnels open.

(A member of the ARC and Portal Bridge citizens committees
is the source.)

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Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 6 04:50:33 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 5 21:21:07 2021.

They want to "get it done" in about 13 years.

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Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 6 04:52:43 2021, in response to Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 5 11:41:44 2021.

Why are you posting duplicate threads?

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Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?

Posted by ntrainride on Mon Dec 6 08:45:25 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 6 04:50:33 2021.

damn but that's pathetic.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 10:01:50 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 6 03:41:04 2021.

2 of the East River tunnels are in awful shape too. They are waiting for ESA to shut them down one at a time.

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Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 6 12:46:47 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?, posted by ntrainride on Mon Dec 6 08:45:25 2021.

And just remember, they're still waiting for the money to do it.

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Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 6 12:47:56 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 10:01:50 2021.

That'll push back those dreams of PSA for CT, not that they have a basis.

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Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?

Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 14:51:30 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 6 12:47:56 2021.

Tha's why it is 2025, not 2023.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by VictorM on Mon Dec 6 17:35:21 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 6 03:41:04 2021.

It all depends on how many passengers Amtrak and especially NJT have lost. If they've lost 75% of their passengers it would be doable.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 18:31:32 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by VictorM on Mon Dec 6 17:35:21 2021.

Commuter railroads have about 55% of their passenger's back, overall.
It is slowly rising. Omicron is in early stages, but not that virulent with the limited data so far.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Dec 6 20:24:05 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 10:01:50 2021.

Whoa didn’t realize they were in that bad shape, hopefully ESA will prevent another Summer of Hell from that.

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Dec 6 23:25:18 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by VictorM on Mon Dec 6 17:35:21 2021.

Judging by the LIRR parking lot in Baldwin, I'm going to say that it was worse than 75% for a long while, but lately it seems to be up to 50%. Whether NJT and Amtrak are in a similar situation isn't something on which I can comment from personal observation. On the other hand, alternative Hudson River crossing options are notably fewer than East River crossings. Chances are a whole lot of temporary ferry service would be required to replace railroad service.

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Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 7 03:28:06 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel—green light?, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 14:51:30 2021.

LOL! How long do you have to live? I'd be in my mid-60s before any of these alleged projects get finished presuming they're on time, if I live that long (or anyone else around here), if we don't have another war in the interim (odds are heavily against that), and if, if, if a sudden technological improvement doesn't make rail transit obsolete before then (powered rail transit would be about two centuries old).

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Re: Hudson tunnel -green light

Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 7 06:44:53 2021, in response to Re: Hudson tunnel -green light, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Dec 6 23:25:18 2021.

Amtrak Regional and Keystone trains are quite full
But many Acelas are stil not ruinning.

Off-peak commuter and weekends is about 80% of normal.

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