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Posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 02:21:22 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. But the plugs!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 5 04:46:06 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. I'm glad I didn't buy one.I still see them transported by truck on I-84 from time to time, too. M3s you can forget about, even though they haven't reached the 40-year-old mark yet. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 07:06:20 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. I rode an M-9 for the first time in September from Long Beach to NY.We zoomed from Jamaica to NYPS in 17 minutes with a stop in Woodside, and went through Harold al its switches into Line 1 at 60MPH. It was fine. I did move from one car to another due to shitty air conditioning. The last time I rode an M-3 was about 3 years ago to Mineola. We went through Floral Park at 80 MPH and it bounced like a trampoline through the station. My ass bounced out of my seat. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 5 08:07:14 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. In what way do you find them less operator friendly than the M-3s? |
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Posted by Nasadowsk on Sun Dec 5 08:35:10 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. Saying the M-7 rides better is something, cause the M-7 rides like shit (though they’re better than when new, where they slammed around so bad, even on straight track, that they felt like they were going to derail)Maybe it’s time the MYA stops playing the preferred builder shit, microengeneering the designs, and start looking at best practice elsewhere… |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 5 08:37:28 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. bring back budd. |
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Posted by Joe on Sun Dec 5 09:06:35 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 5 08:37:28 2021. Memories. Maybe seven years ago, my wife phoned from a westbound train, where she and her friends were having an unusual rough ride on an M-7. I had seen them off, as they were going to the theatre. She gave me the car number. I phoned a complaint and warning to the LIRR. Somehow, I got a supervisor, who said (surprisingly) that I sounded like a knowledgeable railfan and took the train and car numbers before they reached Penn. I never heard back, that's okay. Later, I realized that any seat above a truck could be scary for the bounces and noise. When I ride alone, I usually choose a seat midway between trucks. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 5 09:11:06 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. Going with 3x2 seating was a huge mistake. It means that the seats are way too small for the average person today. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 09:13:58 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe on Sun Dec 5 09:06:35 2021. Pioneer trucks are not noted for comfort either. Amfleet-1 vibrates once over 80 MPH. Afmleet-2 are a little better, but not by much. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 09:53:55 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 07:06:20 2021. The M3 bounced up and down mostly, sometimes bad enough to bottom out. It could be bad in spots like Shea Interlocking or the crossings in New Hyde Park. Once I dumped an entire fresh XL cup of coffee into the console on the 12th Street crossing at 80. Ruined my entire day but the M3 took it in stride.The side to side motion on the 9s is especially noticeable on the Atlantic Branch west of Jamaica, and the curves east of Manhasset. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 10:00:56 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 5 08:07:14 2021. It's kind of apples and oranges. The main problem operator wise with the 3 is the tiny cab with nowhere to put food drink or bag. Once I got used to them I had a lot of fun. It's more hands on, and you can really beat on them without making the lousy ride quality any worse.The 9 is like playing a cheap video game where the controller doesn't do what it's supposed to. MIN Brake and MIN Power are both gutless, whereas you could do station stops in a 7 using nothing but MIN Brake and a little adjustment at the end. The 9 also automatically takes off brake cylinder at the end of a stop, which is one of those features that must have sounded wonderful on a drawing board but sucks completely out in the field. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 10:05:47 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 02:21:22 2021. In a world where our employer has a sense of humor about social media, I could put together one hell of a reaction video of me coming out of the trainmen's room in Brooklyn only to see M9s waiting on 2 track. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 10:07:28 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 09:53:55 2021. Atlantic Branch west of Jamaica is pretty tangent, except for East New York. I dont get what is wrong. I guess all the the curves out to Huntington are not done that fast. The curves just west of Syosset are coded much slower since the Spuyten Duyvil wreck.The P-72 coaches would always bottom out at Willis Avenue crossing and switches. Commonwealth trucks were always noted for a smooth ride, but these had fewer springs than most, and there were the Pennsy-inspired leaf springs. At least the M-9's south windows aren't opaque like the M-7's, which LIRR is to cheap to re-glaze. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 10:16:28 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 10:07:28 2021. Atlantic Branch also has a few permanent track conditions like Woodhaven station and between ENY and the viaduct. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Dec 5 11:02:32 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 5 09:11:06 2021. Yeah, the average person is way too fat. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 11:34:27 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 5 09:11:06 2021. When these things cost $3 million each, and they can't go over 10 and 12 cars, you don't cut seated acapacity 20%. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 11:52:54 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 11:34:27 2021. Nobody sits in those middle seats anyway nowadays. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 12:03:29 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 11:52:54 2021. And after Covid ? These are 35 year investments. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 5 12:06:17 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 10:00:56 2021. I guess you go back far enough to remember my friend belt buckle Bob. |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 13:01:09 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 10:00:56 2021. I don't mind the min-brake I like having better range. I can't stand how the anti-rollback is so aggressive, to the point you have to change your operating tempo...and if you get it wrong you can feel the train slamming into a brick wall.Also the soft stop feature was a nice one that no one told us about, I love when I feel my train floating as I come up to the wall at Hempstead. The top-end acceleration is terrible, you hit every checkpoint just a few mph underspeed. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 5 14:05:22 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 5 09:11:06 2021. I am way too heavy and I still fit in one LIRR seat. People (including myself) should lose some weight. |
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Posted by Nasadowsk on Sun Dec 5 14:14:12 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 09:13:58 2021. For whatever reason, the Pioneers were actually decent on the Silverliner II cars.The Amfleet has a resonance at about 57 mph. A stupid place for a train that goes 120 on the corridor. I have a document somewhere stating Amtrak hates the truck because it’s hard on track |
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Posted by Nasadowsk on Sun Dec 5 14:18:47 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 13:01:09 2021. I don’t think anyone published the weight of the m-9, and after the m-7 hot rightly zeroed out as an example of excessive design, I doubt they will. But, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a good amount more than the 7. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Dec 5 14:23:31 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. they want huge bulky rail cars, fine. make the tracks twenty feet gauge and just pull actual houses. |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 14:51:22 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Nasadowsk on Sun Dec 5 14:18:47 2021. Well if they haven't shared then I won't *but* M7 and M9s are at roughly equal weight. In fact with individual car variances it might even be possible for an M7 to outweigh an M9 (for the A cars). The B cars carry more equipment so I'm sure all the M9s are heavier, but we're talking weights of less than a ton. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 18:26:30 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 5 12:03:29 2021. Even before Covid. Most folks would rather stand than ride in that middle seat...on Metro North anyway. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 19:02:58 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 5 12:06:17 2021. Bob was retired for a few years by the time I got there. |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 19:19:32 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 13:01:09 2021. The M9 min brake is good for descending grades.... And the headlight switch! I have a little bit of faint praise for them. Just amazing that's the "best" they could come up with. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 5 20:19:26 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 19:02:58 2021. Mr. Meoli was legendary. I used to ride at the RFW of an M-1 train he was operating, and he sold me belt buckles and other LIRR trinkets right from his open cab. I clearly remember a 1984 ERA fan trip I took, "Farewell to the C420". Bob had the train which connected with the excursion at Jamaica, a local out of Penn. I don't know if that train was his regular job, but he made a nice bundle of cash during that short early morning trip! There were railfans piled deep around the cab that day. |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 21:00:56 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 19:19:32 2021. I still remember doing the test trains, I don't think a train came out of the factory that didn't whistle like an M3. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Dec 5 22:07:32 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 18:26:30 2021. Most folks would rather stand than ride in that middle seat...on Metro North anyway. Or sit on the floor. Do you remember the crowding on those pre-holiday trains? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 22:26:52 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Dec 5 22:07:32 2021. Yep. On our Beacon- GCT trains, the vestibules were so crowded it would be "asshole to bellybutton" tight as Conductor Jimmy Kingston used to say. Meanwhile ,every other middle seat on three seaters would be loaded with stuff. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 06:28:47 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 22:26:52 2021. LIRR passengers use middle seats on crowded trains. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Dec 6 08:21:44 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 22:26:52 2021. Yep. On our Beacon- GCT trains, the vestibules were so crowded it would be "asshole to bellybutton" tight as Conductor Jimmy Kingston used to say. Meanwhile ,every other middle seat on three seaters would be loaded with stuff. I know that a number of railroad people and regular commuters who had monthly passes would ride the electrics up to Harmon. They were a lot less crowded. At Harmon a fair number of the holidays travelers got off the POK train so there was so room on the trains. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 08:24:27 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Dec 5 22:26:52 2021. Could also driving down from the Amtrakian north, avoiding their high fares. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 6 08:45:17 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by JAzumah on Sun Dec 5 14:05:22 2021. I am way too heavy and I still fit in one LIRR seat. People (including myself) should lose some weight. I'm lucky I guess, I keep a steady, normal weight for my height. 5'6"high , 150 lbs. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Mon Dec 6 08:52:44 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 6 08:45:17 2021. exact same here. and i haven't weighed under 145 or over 154 since...always. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Dec 6 09:31:55 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by ntrainride on Mon Dec 6 08:52:44 2021. After my heart operation May -2020, my weight went down to 130 lbs. I slowly gained my regular base weight back, it took a very long time. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 6 10:17:57 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 08:24:27 2021. At one time M-N was kickin around the Idea of expanding service to Rhine cliff. They even went so far as to print up a prototype "duplex" conductor issue tickets & rearranging the fare zones. That Idea went nowhere. The logistics of parking, extra traffic in and out of the station, yard space, diesel idling and lest I forget, NIMBY opposition & working out trackage rights with CSX all but doomed the fantasy. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 11:26:41 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 6 10:17:57 2021. I suppose they would have extended a few Poughkeepsie trains to Rhinecliff but deadheaded back. Amtrak is in control now, not CSX. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 6 12:15:21 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 11:26:41 2021. Who owns the tracks beyond Poughkeepsie? |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 6 12:35:41 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 11:26:41 2021. I believe the idea was to go all the way up to Tivoli, the northmost location along the Hudson in Dutchess County. Google arial view shows that the right of way used to accommodate 3 or 4 tracks just north of there, so building a siding to turn trains probably wouldn't have been too expensive.But the NIMBYs didn't want it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 6 14:50:42 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 6 12:15:21 2021. Legally titled to CSX, but Amtrak leases it for many decades, and controls it all the way to Hoffman's. For freight service, CSX pays Amtrak a lesser amouint to lease it back. It is something like LIRR/NY&A. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Dec 6 14:56:01 2021, in response to The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Sun Dec 5 01:36:54 2021. I'm admittedly just a rider, but while I won't say they are the smoothest of cars, they ride leaps and bounds better than the M7, but so is literally every single train I have ever been on outside of the old P72/P75s.And the air is a lot better. |
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Posted by sloth on Mon Dec 6 21:30:36 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by R30A on Mon Dec 6 14:56:01 2021. Perhaps that M9 side to side vibration is worst on the leading truck which I'm basically sitting on. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 7 06:43:20 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by sloth on Mon Dec 6 21:30:36 2021. I hope this is not a sign of another Kawasaki WMATA 7K situation. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Dec 7 06:57:20 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Jsun21 on Sun Dec 5 02:21:22 2021. I do like the frequent reminders of what car you are in so it cuts down on “oh I didn’t realize that I was in a car that wouldn’t platform” |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 7 07:37:34 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 7 06:43:20 2021. Where would any normal person even start to draw that inference? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 7 07:51:38 2021, in response to Re: The M9 is a piece of crap, posted by Train Dude on Tue Dec 7 07:37:34 2021. Because some were saying they were also giving shakey rides before the final derailment. |
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