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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by Catfish 44* on Sat Oct 16 19:34:37 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 16 19:19:18 2021.* Fugghedaboutit if you had bias ply tires
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sat Oct 16 21:13:03 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Oct 16 19:19:18 2021.* I did the same thing. For awhile you'd be able to ride w/o touching the steering wheel.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by Express Rider* on Sun Oct 17 00:21:27 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Oct 15 19:47:36 2021.* Yes,that's a sad irony.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by randyo* on Sun Oct 17 01:56:40 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 16 07:41:00 2021.* Relatively soon after Chrystie the R-27/30s got the new signs but not color coded ones. Like the QJ signs, the RJ signs also read "Via Nassau St" as did the RR/Nassau signs that subsequently replaced them after the RJ was eliminated.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Oct 17 02:08:49 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 17 01:56:40 2021.* I remember those black and white signs. They were on sale at the NYCTM in the late 70's.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 17 07:28:23 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Oct 16 21:13:03 2021.* did the same thing. For awhile you'd be able to ride w/o touching the steering wheel. Thanks to bias ply tires. But radials didn't work out. Bill Newkirk
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 17 08:44:26 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 14 08:34:04 2021.* This photo at Brighton beach was posted here recently, but I'm not sure if I have the original or a copy. I did brighten and sharpened it up a bit. Was this the first train of R-32's on the (Q) Brighton ? (Oct. 1, 1964) On public display at 34th St. & 6th Ave. You'll notice that the ceiling light fixture 56 watt bulbs were replaced with 150 watt flood lights to provide more light.(Nov. 1964) #3368 looks like it was on the first day of service with it's spanking clean exterior. Since this is a weekend service, it should be a 6 car train. (undated photo) Old meets their new replacements. This photo appeared in one of my subway calendars a couple of years ago. The R-32's and AB's are both West End trains at 39th Ave Beebe on the Astoria line. (July 1965) This is an odd photo. Brighton line layups are usually between Kings Hwy and Sheepshead Bay. This is at Ave M. With snow falling is this a snow "plan" judging by the length layups on the express track ? (Jan. 24, 1965) A pair of R-32's outside Coney Island shops. (Oct. 1965) The area on the left should be where the original car wash once was and current one now with Stillwell yard on the right. I remember a small farm on the left before Coney Island yard was expanded. Remember the gas tank ? (Feb. 1966) This should be Hewes St. on the Broadway Jamaica line. AM rush hour West End's to Chambers St. would run light to ENY (D.O.) yard for layup. Now returning for the PM rush hour, he'll make stops to Chambers St. and make their usual stops to Bay Pkwy. D Type's and maybe AB's make the same run. (Aug 1966) On weekends, the (TT) West End locals would terminate at 36th St & 4th Ave. Here's one at 36th St. (June 30, 1968) This is my oldest existing subway photo that I took of a (TT) shuttle at Coney Island when I was fifteen years old. I used a cheap roll film camera that my allowance could afford. (circa 1966) Something was happening on Oct 27, 1968. (B) trains ran shuttle between 57th St. and 34th St. & 6th ave. Perhaps track or switch work. For those who never saw 34th st. bathed in incandescent light, feast your eyes. Notice the vending machines and pretzel stand. The (NX)'s were usually R-27/30's, but here at Coney Island are a set of R-32's making the run. The (NX) must have been more popular with railfans than the riding public. (Dec. 5, 1967) And finishing off the R-32 cavalcade of photos, a (QJ) at DeKalb Ave. minus a (QJ) sign. (Dec 7, 1967). Coming soon.......the R-38's.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by William A. Padron* on Sun Oct 17 09:21:09 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 17 08:44:26 2021.* Was this the first train of R-32's on the (Q) Brighton ? No, the first train operated on September 14, 1964... *R-32's #3365 & #3359, BMT Brighton Line, Brighton Beach, Route: Q; September 14, 1964; Collection of nycsubway.org.* -William A. Padron ["BRB"]
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Sun Oct 17 18:11:16 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 17 08:44:26 2021.* Wasn't the marker light combination for Sea Beach trains red-white?
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Oct 17 18:52:39 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 17 07:28:23 2021.* Yep. I had Uniroyal "rain tires" on my 67 Cougar. You could feel the imperfections on the track with those tires coupled with the car's suspension.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Oct 17 20:28:51 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Oct 16 21:13:03 2021.* What’s old is new again. 😀
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Oct 17 20:53:45 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by jailhousedoc on Fri Oct 15 07:38:47 2021.* In one sense yes. But the RR carrier would have to pay the damages incurred during transit. Back during the delivery of the R44 & 46s, Penn Central had to pay big bucks for smashed windows & dented sides due to rock throwers and the occasional poor track condition derailments. PC as the delivering carrier with always get stuck with the tab
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by randyo* on Mon Oct 18 02:56:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Oct 17 18:11:16 2021.* Regular Sea Beach was red/white (or white/red, unlike the IND on the BMT the order of the marker lights was not too important) but the NX was a different service.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by randyo* on Mon Oct 18 02:57:57 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 17 08:44:26 2021.* When I was a C/R, the PM put ins from DO Yd ran light all the way to Chambers before going into service.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by MainR3664* on Mon Oct 18 07:03:27 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 17 08:44:26 2021.* Both sets of photos are totally awesome!!!! Thank you for taking the ones you took, and for sharing them all!!!
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Posted by MainR3664* on Mon Oct 18 07:06:15 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 15 10:01:24 2021.* They showed a green RR on the Vignelli maps. Near the end, when they went to all single letters, they showed a brown R. What they did in between, I don't remember.
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Posted by MainR3664* on Mon Oct 18 07:09:39 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Oct 15 06:40:23 2021.* There are graffiti lovers on Facebook. I'm in that group, and I took some nasty abuse for criticizing graffiti.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Mon Oct 18 10:12:32 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 18 07:06:15 2021.* Probably by then, they had gone to the "trunk" coloring, where brown was the color for Broadway/Brooklyn (and by extension, Nassau St service). I don't recall whether the change to single letters was before or after the trunk coloring, as I was no longer living in NYC by then
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Mon Oct 18 10:38:12 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 18 07:06:15 2021.* Thanks
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33* on Mon Oct 18 11:39:15 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Oct 18 07:06:15 2021.* They showed a green RR on the Vignelli maps. Near the end, when they went to all single letters, they showed a brown R. What they did in between, I don't remember. The designation of the "RR Nassau Street-Fourth Avenue Local" has always caused confusion. The RR Nassau Street- Fourth Avenue Local began operation on Monday, July 1, 1968. It was identified with a green line the same as the RR Broadway-Fourth Avenue Local. The only differrence was that the service on Nassau Street was shown with dashes and not a solid line indicating a rush hour service. This wasn't so much of a problem when every subway line had its own color. The 1979 Edition of the subway map which was issued in June of that year simplified the color identification system by assigning a single color to each mainline. The color for the Broadway Line was yellow so all three Broadway routes; N,QB and RR were yellow either with a circle or a diamond. The diamond being for rush hour service. The Nassau Street Line became the brown line and so did its two routes the J and M. For whatever reason the TA chose to identify the Nassau Street RR service with a yellow color and shown it as a branch of the Broadway RR. This continued with the elimination of double letters effective with the subway map issued on May 10, 1985 although the official date of the changeover was actually a year later on May 5, 1986. We still had two yellow R's. Finally with the May, 24, 1987 subway map the Nassau Street R was given a brown color while the Broadway R retained its yellow color. Effective on this date also the Nassau Street R was virtually merged with the M and there was a through routing of train between Metropolitan Avenue and 95th Street. Trains carried M signs on the front rollsigns in one direction and R signs in the other direction. This lasted only until November 23, 1987 when Fourth Avenue-Nassau Street service was discontinued. The last train had cars (s)4878-,4850-1,4897-6 and 4937-6 (n). Larry, RedbirdR33
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by Elkeeper* on Mon Oct 18 15:36:55 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Oct 14 08:34:04 2021.* They should have doubled that R-32 order! Good looking and durable cars! I'm gonna miss them!
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Mon Oct 18 18:16:49 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Oct 17 18:52:39 2021.* My father worked for Uniroyal for 28 1/2 years. He always got an employee discount for their tires. Speaking of tracks in the street, I convinced him to drive down the center of LaSalle Ave. in South Bend once, right over the South Shore rails.
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Mon Oct 18 18:22:59 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 18 15:36:55 2021.* Agreed.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Mon Oct 18 21:19:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by randyo on Mon Oct 18 02:56:47 2021.* I take it white-red wasn't used on any other Southern Division route.
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Oct 19 02:16:23 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Oct 18 10:12:32 2021.* The brown was specifically for the Nassau St service as evidenced by the use of the 6th Av color orange for the Ms to Ctl.
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Oct 19 02:21:05 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Oct 18 11:39:15 2021.* When the M was first through routed into the Southern Div it went via the Brighton Line. When it was routed off the Brighton Line it went to Bay Pky via the West End during rush hours and 9th Ave middays.
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Oct 19 02:28:08 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 18 15:36:55 2021.* Technically, the R-38 was supposed to be an extension of the R032s but unfortunately the specs were written so loosely that St Louis was able to get the contract instead of Budd.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Oct 19 06:16:38 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by randyo on Mon Oct 18 02:57:57 2021.* When I was a C/R, the PM put ins from DO Yd ran light all the way to Chambers before going into service. D Types or R-32's ? Bill Newkirk
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Tue Oct 19 09:51:33 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 19 02:16:23 2021.* Yes, of course. I forgot Manhattan trunk line (Of course, that doesn't apply to the G)
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman* on Tue Oct 19 14:00:32 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by randyo on Fri Oct 15 23:40:21 2021.* I did that all the time because McDonald Ave was so bumpy! --Mark
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO]
Posted by randyo* on Tue Oct 19 20:22:12 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back [PART TWO], posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Oct 19 06:16:38 2021.* By the time I started it was all R-32 with an occasional R-27/30.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by MainR3664* on Wed Oct 20 06:31:42 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Oct 18 10:12:32 2021.* Trunk coloring - 1979 Single letters- 1985
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Wed Oct 20 13:23:07 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 20 06:31:42 2021.* Thanks I was in NYC for a few days in 1979/1980/1981, but I forgot that they had already done the colors. After 1981, I didn't return until 1987, by then, everything was pretty much the way it is today.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP* on Wed Oct 20 20:50:01 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Oct 20 13:23:07 2021.* Except back then, trains ran much faster.
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Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back
Posted by Handbrake* on Thu Oct 21 11:05:02 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-32's........A Fond Look Back, posted by randyo on Tue Oct 19 02:28:08 2021.* So here is where the typical NYCT contract language cut and paste during contract design phase did not take place as much happens today.
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