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[PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 12 19:10:49 2021

Incorrect sign or real service ?
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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by W.B. on Sun Sep 12 20:00:09 2021, in response to [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 12 19:10:49 2021.

I think Astoria to Canal Street was an alternate "branch" of the RR, aside from the one that operated on the Nassau Street line between Chambers Street and 95th Street-4th Avenue. I have seen, "back in the day," R-42 and R-40 side signs that actually indicated "Ditmars Blvd Astoria - Canal Street."

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 12 20:19:45 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by W.B. on Sun Sep 12 20:00:09 2021.

Did they actually relay or laid up at lower level City Hall ?

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 12 21:47:34 2021, in response to [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 12 19:10:49 2021.

Look at the condition of the tiling. Awful.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Sep 13 06:41:55 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Sep 12 21:47:34 2021.

Look at the condition of the tiling. Awful.

I see vertical metal strips preventing the other tiles from falling.

Bill Newkirk

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 13 08:06:25 2021, in response to [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 12 19:10:49 2021.



Bill: It was common practice for certain southern division trains to be laid up during the off hours at the center tracks at Canal Street and City Hall lower level.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by zac on Mon Sep 13 08:44:07 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by W.B. on Sun Sep 12 20:00:09 2021.

This could be pre-chrystie too and that train originated at 71st.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 13 10:14:00 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by zac on Mon Sep 13 08:44:07 2021.

I seen some RR trains short-turn at Whitehall St, not at Canal St.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by subfan on Mon Sep 13 11:02:25 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 13 10:14:00 2021.

I recall some trains going to Canal, then going OOS and heading directly to City Hall lower level to lay up. That's what this looks to be...

subfan

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 13 18:48:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by zac on Mon Sep 13 08:44:07 2021.

Most loikely post-Chrystie. Originally, the R-27/30s included, "Broadway," plus the old BMT title on their front and side route curtains. The RR sign would have had a, "B'way-4th Ave." subscript.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 13 23:33:03 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Sep 13 08:06:25 2021.

Correct. I was doing schedules in the 1970s and 1980s and it was found that around 800AM 2 additional RR trains were needed to carry the passenger loading at the time. No additional cars were available but since the QJ/QB and RR shared the same car type, the first 2 QBs in the AM rush went through to Astoria where they returned S/B but only ran as far as Canal St where they laid up in C/Hall Yd till the PM rush. As it turned out, additional trains were needed in the PM rush so the midday RR layups became PM put ins operating to Astoria where they turned back and became the last 2 QBs S/O 57 St.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Sep 14 14:54:10 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 13 23:33:03 2021.

Also, in the shoulder period several RRs from Astoria terminated at Canal. I worked on Wall St. at the time and had to be at work by 9:30. I was often frustrated by RRs that ran only to Canal.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 14 15:29:19 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 13 23:33:03 2021.

Randy, do they still use City hall lower level tracks for layups?

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Sep 14 16:12:44 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 14 15:29:19 2021.

Absolutely. I believe a few W's lay up there midday and evenings.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 14 16:23:23 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Sep 14 14:54:10 2021.

Most likely a couple of those RRs were the QBs I mentioned.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 14 16:31:17 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 14 15:29:19 2021.

The last time I was in Manhattan, I recall seeing a couple of layups from both the N and the W running light from Astoria to lay up in C/Hall Yd.

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 14 18:17:46 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by randyo on Tue Sep 14 16:31:17 2021.

The lower level CIty Hall platforms must be just long enough to handle 8 Standards ?

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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 14 19:41:19 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Pelham Exp on Tue Sep 14 16:12:44 2021.

Yes, pre-pandemic I saw southbound Ws labeled last stop Canal Street.



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Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?

Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 16 01:55:51 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTO] (RR) To Canal St ?, posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 14 18:17:46 2021.

What the platforms can hold is of no consequence now as long as the 600ft trains that are laid up there clear all the necessary switches.

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