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The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 3 11:00:56 2021 Just like 2008 all over again. "laser focus" 000000 Funding for a rail project near House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s California district that Republicans denounced as wasteful was removed Tuesday from President Biden’s $1.9 trillion COVID-19 stimulus bill. The Senate parliamentarian ruled the $140 million appropriation wasn’t allowed under the so-called Byrd rule that polices unrelated items in budget reconciliation bills. Republicans singled out the rail project as an example of unrelated “pork” in the bill, which is being rammed through Congress without Republican support using special rules that allow a simple majority vote in the Senate. On Tuesday, Sen. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) ridiculed the project as Pelosi’s “tunnel of love” ahead of an anticipated vote on the package later this week. Aides to Pelosi (D-Calif.), who represents San Francisco, had defended the project, saying that ridership for mass transit plummeted during the pandemic, making it reasonable to increase government spending. “The Senate Parliamentarian has now ruled that the BART extension from San Jose to Santa Clara does not meet the requirements of the Byrd rule because it is part of a pilot project. Therefore, it will be removed from the reconciliation package,” Pelosi spokesman Drew Hammill said. A separate $1.5 million allocation for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada also will be removed, he said. “As part of the $30 billion in public transit support, the House included $1.425 billion to help dozens of major transit rail capital projects, including the BART extension from San Jose to Santa Clara.”
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Mar 3 11:01:12 2021, in response to The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 3 11:00:56 2021.* Forgot the link, which didn't have much mroe https://nypost.com/2021/03/02/140-million-pelosi-subway-axed-from-senate-covid-bill/
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 13:25:09 2021, in response to The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 3 11:00:56 2021.* A separate $1.5 million allocation for the Seaway International Bridge between Massena, New York, and Canada also will be removed, he said. I guess Elise Stefanik doesn't have any clout either.
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by italianstallion* on Wed Mar 3 14:22:02 2021, in response to The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 3 11:00:56 2021.* This project has nothing to do with Pelosi. It's about 60 miles south of her district.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Mitch45* on Wed Mar 3 15:04:04 2021, in response to The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 3 11:00:56 2021.* I like how Dems want Biden to issue executive orders to circumvent the Senate Parliamentarian. First the Electoral College and now this. The Dems think they can simply eliminate any aspect of government procedure they doesn't serve their interests. Scary.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Mar 3 15:15:14 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 3 15:04:04 2021.* They shouldn't circumvent the Senate Parliamentarian, but they certainly should abolish the filibuster entirely, making the parliamentarian's ruling moot. Unlike the Electoral College, the filibuster is absolutely not in the Constitution. What's scarier is that instead of trying to convince more people to vote for them, the GQP/Trump Party is trying to suppress the vote in order to keep ruling by minority government. And yet you ignore this singularly egregious attempt by the minority party to secure permanent rule. So much for you being a moderate.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by AlM* on Wed Mar 3 16:43:26 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:15:14 2021.* they certainly should abolish the filibuster entirely The controlling senators* disagree with you, however. I continue to be amazed at how much self-described moderates and moderate conservatives fear these senators' radicalism. * Manchin, Sinema, Collins, and Murkwoski, though usually just Manchin.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Thu Mar 4 08:16:25 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 3 15:04:04 2021.* It's freigtening the way spider-pig and his party circumvents the will of the people, keeps secrets, and refuses to have any press conferences. Poor Bidens asks for questions, and he's abruptly cut off, and ushered out of the room. What are they hiding?
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Thu Mar 4 08:17:45 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 3 14:22:02 2021.* That's what they're calling. I don't have access to the star chamber that controls the secret shadow government that names these things.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by TonyG* on Thu Mar 4 10:20:06 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 3 16:43:26 2021.* Sinema is just as bad as Manchin. I know she's trying her best to be the Democratic John McCain but she needs to see the big picture here.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu Mar 4 10:29:29 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:15:14 2021.* This is dumb, especially for you.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Thu Mar 4 10:30:39 2021, in response to The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Mar 3 11:00:56 2021.* None of this crap should be in a Covid relief bill.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Mar 4 11:00:12 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 4 10:29:29 2021.* Denying that Republicans are trying to suppress voting to their advantage is denying basic reality.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Mitch45* on Thu Mar 4 11:09:23 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 3 15:15:14 2021.* Don’t give me crap about ruling by minority government. When the Dems aren’t in charge of the House and Senate, they squawk plenty about “minority party rights” and make trouble for the other party. I’m sick of Democratic apologists trying to portray them as being clean as the driven snow. Democrats are just as selfish and corrupt as Republicans. It’s all part of the Washington swamp. They are all in it to protect their political asses and their big donors. Period.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Displaced Angeleno* on Thu Mar 4 11:43:50 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 4 11:00:12 2021.* You really believe that: · requiring photo identification to vote and then making it difficult to get such identification either by cost or through limited locations to do so and choosing which forms of identification to accept based on the perceived voting patterns of those who hold such identification · proposing legislation to strip the people of the right to directly choose presidential electors (Arizona) · having equal Senatorial representation for a state with fewer than 600K as a state with almost 40 million people is (attempted) rule by minority government?!?
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Mar 4 12:17:02 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 3 14:22:02 2021.* Then why has the liberal press given the Santa Clara extension that nickname, eh? The SF Chronicle and SJ Mercury News both use the nickname. You have a very odd knee-jerk compulsion to defend some of the worst godless leftists in this country's politics. That is called wasting your life. What gives rise to this compulsion of yours?
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Mar 4 12:18:41 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 4 11:09:23 2021.* Democrats are just as selfish and corrupt as Republicans You sure got that backwards, Chairman. It was Democrats that fell under that corruption first. They are all in it to protect their political asses and their big donors. Period False. They are all in it for power and to upend the Constitution.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Avid Reader* on Thu Mar 4 12:19:18 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 4 10:30:39 2021.* eggsacctly!
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Italianstallion* on Thu Mar 4 12:59:15 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 4 12:17:02 2021.* Don’t be clueless. The press only uses that name when quoting Republican assholes.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Italianstallion* on Thu Mar 4 13:00:52 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 3 15:04:04 2021.* What Dems? You can’t circumvent the parliamentarian with executive orders - you need a vote of the Senate.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Italianstallion* on Thu Mar 4 13:02:38 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Displaced Angeleno on Thu Mar 4 11:43:50 2021.* Good post.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Italianstallion* on Thu Mar 4 13:02:54 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Mar 3 15:04:04 2021.* What Dems? You can’t circumvent the parliamentarian with executive orders - you need a vote of the Senate.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Italianstallion* on Thu Mar 4 13:03:50 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 4 10:30:39 2021.* Why do conservatives hate trains?
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Mar 4 14:13:12 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Displaced Angeleno on Thu Mar 4 11:43:50 2021.* Yes
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Mar 4 14:14:53 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 4 11:09:23 2021.* This has nothing to do with “minority party rights” it has to do with the fact that Democrats keep winning elections but Republicans keep running the government, or at least stymying the government.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by TonyG* on Thu Mar 4 14:33:34 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Mar 4 13:03:50 2021.* Because trains cut down on the use of oil and natural gas. Conservatives love fossil fuels and fossil fuel use.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by AlM* on Thu Mar 4 15:34:47 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Mar 4 13:00:52 2021.* Mitch thinks Obama is running the entire country through his whispers into the ears of key puppets.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by AlM* on Thu Mar 4 15:38:56 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Italianstallion on Thu Mar 4 12:59:15 2021.* And somehow the right wing posters here staunchly ignore that the other removed project, the Seaway International Bridge, is squarely in the district of Trump supporter Elise Stefanik.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Thu Mar 4 15:47:12 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Displaced Angeleno on Thu Mar 4 11:43:50 2021.* YES. Why do you think the GOP generally stymies transit? They think transit triiders are not "their" constituents. The very act of calling a BART extension "Pelosi's Subway" is a disgrace.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Mar 4 16:38:07 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 4 15:47:12 2021.* It’s because mass transit is a “city” service, and Republicans are a rural party.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Thu Mar 4 19:16:59 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 4 14:13:12 2021.* Wrong.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Thu Mar 4 20:44:57 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Mar 4 14:14:53 2021.* That's American politics for ya!
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Thu Mar 4 23:46:45 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 3 14:22:02 2021.* What does the BART extension have to do with Covid relief?
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Fri Mar 5 01:19:38 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Mar 4 23:46:45 2021.* What does ANY employment in transit have to do with covid? What does an infrastructure project previously greenlit by the GOP have to do with keeping Americans employed in union jobs with healthcare in case they become infected? What does snidely calling it the "Pelosi" subway have to do with whether it is deserving of CONTINUED Federal support? Clearly the GOP--who gave away the store in the tax dodge bill several years ago--have flip flopped to their deficit hawk stinginess when it comes to something actually socially useful. Make them wait in the rain for the cancelled buses.
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Fri Mar 5 02:34:03 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Mar 5 01:19:38 2021.* The Covid bill should be for helping out the unemployed as a result of this democrat induced plandemic only. Nothing else. And ridership will never reach the levels they were prior to the scamdemic. People will be so comfortable working from home, most will not return to commuting. Any be start and rail extensions will be a compete waste of money.
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Fri Mar 5 03:17:16 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Mar 5 02:34:03 2021.* Apparently we see different visions. No point in further elucidation.
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Fri Mar 5 05:22:38 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Mar 5 03:17:16 2021.* Fine. This thread should be in OT Chat.
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by The Silence* on Sat Mar 6 10:41:17 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 3 14:22:02 2021.* they probably made a mistake, because last time I checked "the Pelosi Subway" referred to the MUNI T Line Central Subway project.
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Mar 6 11:12:41 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by The Silence on Sat Mar 6 10:41:17 2021.* It was no mistake. It was a deliberate attempt to slander the project.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by italianstallion* on Sat Mar 6 11:13:18 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 4 15:38:56 2021.* Yes, thank you.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Mar 6 13:09:00 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by The Silence on Sat Mar 6 10:41:17 2021.* Oh? So the San Francisco Chronicle and San Jose Mercury News made the same mistake?
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Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sat Mar 6 21:09:11 2021, in response to Re: BART San Jose removed from Stimulus bill, posted by The Silence on Sat Mar 6 10:41:17 2021.* Wrong. The snide name for the Central Subway is Rose Pak because she (since deceased) was the clout weilding person who got that route built.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Mar 7 16:27:08 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by AlM on Thu Mar 4 15:38:56 2021.* And pray tell, what was her position on that item?
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Displaced Angeleno* on Sun Mar 7 20:17:39 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 4 15:47:12 2021.* Sarcasm, my friend.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Mar 7 21:02:49 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 4 19:16:59 2021.* How else would you describe it?
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Mar 8 12:38:39 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 4 15:47:12 2021.* Why do you think the GOP generally stymies transit? Why do you think they do? Of course, you're 100 percent against any privately-owned passenger rail. What you see is what the Uniparty gave you.
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Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill
Posted by Joe V* on Mon Mar 8 12:49:37 2021, in response to Re: The Pelosi Subway removed from Stimulus bill, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 8 12:38:39 2021.* So is the private sector.
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