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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 28 09:57:13 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jul 28 05:25:53 2020. Long Island has no equivalent of Greenwich and Stamford near a RR station.Republic could work, but only for those who live along the Main Line east and west of it. Huntington Station and Amityville are too far from office complexes to be of much use. But commuter rail passengers generally will not ride suburban buses. The lower paid cafeteria, hotel, and mailroom people would, but LIRR fares, in addition to bus fare, are beyond their reach. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 28 11:09:24 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 27 11:45:47 2020. In NYC in the mid-1980's and 1990's at the Jacob Javits Center the PC-Expo was held. Usually this event would take place using the entire complex - all levels and crowded with people, exhibits, products. The PC-Expo at the time was a fun event often taking place over 3-4 days of the week. Of course this was well before the extension of the #7 train - which meant that hundreds of folks would walk the length of 34th Street to attend, and return home with bags of "goodies". The convention planners also had coach buses to help folks get to and from nearby hotels or Grand Central Station. It was a fun time.Since the days of the PC-Expo, another group, Interop, has operated similar but smaller scale conventions at the Jacob Javits Center. One of their recent affairs could barely fill one whole room at the convention center, lasting just 2 days. The most recent conventions will be held totally ONLINE due to COVID-19, with podcast seminar discussions, and other information presented online. It is doubtful that these kinds of in-person mass conventions will be held any time soon. Mike |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 28 11:10:49 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 27 11:45:47 2020. In NYC in the mid-1980's and 1990's at the Jacob Javits Center the PC-Expo was held. Usually this event would take place using the entire complex - all levels and crowded with people, exhibits, products. The PC-Expo at the time was a fun event often taking place over 3-4 days of the week. Of course this was well before the extension of the #7 train - which meant that hundreds of folks would walk the length of 34th Street to attend, and return home with bags of "goodies". The convention planners also had coach buses to help folks get to and from nearby hotels or Grand Central Station. It was a fun time.Since the days of the PC-Expo, another group, Interop, has operated similar but smaller scale conventions at the Jacob Javits Center. One of their recent affairs could barely fill one whole room at the convention center, lasting just 2 days. The most recent conventions will be held totally ONLINE due to COVID-19, with podcast seminar discussions, and other information presented online. It is doubtful that these kinds of in-person mass conventions will be held any time soon. Mike |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 13:20:09 2020, in response to LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by eric22 on Tue Jul 21 14:14:44 2020. Why would you want to do that? How much slower do you want the trains to run, and how much do you want to disrupt the schedules? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 28 13:35:06 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue=?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 13:20:09 2020. The East River tunnel slots run at 3 minute intervals, assuming 60MPH. An intermediate station would fuck that all op.Imagine putting a 1st Avenue station on the Steinway #7 tunnel. Just as disruptive. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 14:20:58 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue=?, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 28 13:35:06 2020. Exactly right. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 28 15:30:15 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue=?, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 28 13:35:06 2020. Actually a 1st Av stop on the Flushing line would make more sense and be less disruptive. |
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Posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 28 16:10:38 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 23 20:02:30 2020. The only way I see this as working is with a dedicated dual current EMU (maybe a variation on the M9s or something) and ideally as an independent service, with it's own dedicated crews, jointly overseen by the other railroads. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 16:21:05 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue=?, posted by randyo on Tue Jul 28 15:30:15 2020. How and why? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 16:22:48 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jul 23 20:02:30 2020. Hey, maybe someone might want to go from Babylon to Philly? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 16:28:36 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jul 28 05:08:20 2020. for that matter, i wanna go from hoboken (cortlandt street boat) to, you know...chicago. sleeper...Hey; I'm all for a resurrected Phoebe Snow, but Amtrak these days would insist on running directly to/from NYP with an engine change at Dover . . . (you could do an Erie Limited right now out of Hoboken but the speed limit west of Port Jervis is about 30 mph IIRC) |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Tue Jul 28 16:41:58 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 28 11:10:49 2020. That, and the fact that the guys at Jacob Javits charge about $120 an hour for putting displays up, even if they are small prefabricated sets. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 28 17:34:47 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue=?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 16:21:05 2020. IDK. 35 MPH vs. 60, and better acceleration/deceleration ? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:25:49 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 27 05:25:55 2020. All I was doing was pointing out that there is in fact a market that through-running would serve if it was proven to open up capacity at NYP. But since you mentioned it, outside of ESA, 3rd track, KO 2nd track, what else would you say needs to be tackled? I can think of a few of my own, but I'd love to hear your input |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:26:52 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 27 10:56:36 2020. "I do not see what the big deal is about transferring at NYPS."If you actually did 5 days a week at rush hour you'd understand the problem. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:37:24 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Mon Jul 27 10:59:55 2020. Metropark employs people from all over NJ but has access from only one line, so there in lies a huge part of the problem there. Jamaica OTOH is served by the entirety of the LIRR minus the PW branch. I don't think thru-running is absolutely vital to Jamaica developing into an office hub, but it would help a bit. Moreover, Jamaica does have 2 of 3 transportation related ingredients that Newark has:1. Major rail hub 2. Major airport The missing piece is being on the NEC, but if Next Gen ends up going via Long Island then you have the trifecta. Not saying it will happen, just pointing it out. Either way, it is far better than Metropark could ever be so you're comparing apples to oranges. "There is now a huge office building complex in LIC. We don't need another one in Jamaica." What difference does the presence of offices in LIC make? That's like saying we already have offices in downtown so they never needed midtown. And Jamaica would be different than LIC but not any worse (I'd actually argue better because subway, commuter rail, and airport). All of LIRR except PW + E/J trains. Queens Plaza/Court Sq area has plenty of subways but has shitty LIRR at best that requires a shuttle connection. Even if they built Sunnyside station, which has been decided to be a no-go, access would still be shit (honestly they should have put a stop on ESA at Queens Blvd). |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:52:10 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 28 09:57:13 2020. Best area with existing service would be Hicksville. Physically accessible from 3 branches and has decent highway access close by (LIE, NSP, and Wantagh). If they'd rebuild the Central Railroad's line from Garden City to Bethpage, then I'd also vote Nassau Hub (as they've been trying to do). Access from 2 branches (and even a 3rd if you really want to be ballsy and rebuild the West Hempstead-CLP ROW) and decent highway access (Meadowbrook Pkwy). Mineola is a top pick from a transit-only perspective (4 branches (5 if you rebuild the West Hempstead ROW to Mineola although that would have to be a stub terminal on the south side of Old Country Rd, and 6 if you develop along Franklin Av between Mineola and Garden City) but zero highway access. Honorable mention goes to Bethpage, but overall Jamaica reigns supreme. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:56:42 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by The Silence on Tue Jul 28 16:10:38 2020. IAWTP 110%. It would take over the shortest running services with reverse peak potential on each RR and thru-run them. On LIRR that would probably be Great Neck, Freeport, and Hempstead? On NJT I guess Jersey Av, and what else? Let LIRR/NJT continue to operate city-suburb service for the longer stuff. The only point here though would be if it ultimately allows for increased thru-put in Manhattan. If not then it's pointless, just complicates shit for no worthy gain. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:57:54 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Brightonr68 on Mon Jul 27 08:33:05 2020. Only reason to integrate is if it allows more thru-put through the core. Otherwise it's a pointless headache for the sake of looking nice and serving a very small market that isn't worthy of the headache on its own. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:24:20 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Tue Jul 28 09:57:13 2020. I believe that a science park in Yaphank wanted a station built along the main line to serve their campus at one point, but I don’t know what came of that.As for the buses, in Westchester County you have people in areas like Larchmont and Scarsdale taking the bus to Metro-North everyday, not to mention to numerous busy shuttles that serve reverse commuters to White Plains. The buses in North Jersey also tend to attract a wealthier clientele than the buses in Nassau and Suffolk. Buses are just really stigmatized in Long Island for some reason, which is funny because I’d rather be on a N6 on a Friday Night/Saturday Morning than one of those drunk trains out of Penn. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:24:45 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 24 06:44:27 2020. Thank you! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:44:37 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 27 05:23:42 2020. I agree that there may be bigger priorities, but what about the people that work at airports in that case? Over 35,000 people work at JFK.I also think it’s crazy how there’s still no direct rail connection between Manhattan and JFK considering how great this city’s transportation system is generally speaking, but I don’t want to get too off topic. 😇 |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:54:44 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:25:49 2020. Electrify to Port Jeff.Retrofit the 3rd track design flaws at Mineola. Lengthen diesel service platforms. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:55:45 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:26:52 2020. There is no problem.You've ignored all the problems and expenses of thru running. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:57:54 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:37:24 2020. We do not need all this office space. Private sector would make the call, and they have shown no desire to move to Jamaica. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:59:49 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:44:37 2020. The 35,000 JFK employees are priced out of the Airtrain market. Any rail extension to any airport means a PFC fee. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 07:03:21 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:56:42 2020. Hempstead is mostly a Brooklyn Branch. There are no off-peak Great Neck and Freeport trains. There are no rush hour slots for more trains. The LIRR Main Line west of Jamaica will be even more congested with ESA coming on-line. Off peak means adding trains for which there is no operating budget. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 29 07:55:11 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:59:49 2020. Employees buy the unlimited or monthly, brings the cost way down. If you ride Airtrain certain times of day, you see lots of airport workers. Using funding tied to a PFC places some restrictions on how the line is used, some jurisdictions choose not to build a separate line with that money for that reason. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 08:09:09 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 29 07:55:11 2020. MTA and NJT will always play Bag Man for the Port Authority.Unfortunately, extending the Astoria line to LGA is off the table, as is doing anything with the RBB. MTA came up with a "plan" to resuscitate it for $8 Billion to make sure it remains dead, either LIRR or NYCT. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 09:14:01 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:24:20 2020. Take a look at Hempstead. Few people walk across from the LIRR station to that POS of a bus terminal. Consider the neighborhood. Two different markets and demographics. Adelphi and Hofstra run their own buses. Why Nassau County insists on hubbing their buses at Hempstead like it were 1965 and the place some some sort of commercial center, is beyond me. Nobody wants to go there. Mineola makes more sense.LIRR has priced themselves out of the market. That is why the N4 and N6 buses are packed, while the Hempstead, West Hempstead and Far Rockaway trains are often mostly empty. I don't think LIRR even knows that Suffolk County Transit even exists. When I lived on Long Island until 1992, I mailed my Federal taxes to the IRS center in Yaphank. What happened to that ? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 29 09:17:09 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:25:49 2020. The entire ESA was a badly conceived project. Its mushrooming cost has drained the MTA of capital funds for many more worthwhile projects.First, terminals are wasteful because of the turnaround problems. Second, running under Park Avenue increased the cost due to the need to support Metro North's tracks. Both could have been avoided, had the MTA considered a loop down Third Ave that went back under the East River and connected to Flatbush Ave tracks and headed back to Jamaica. The loop would have provided twice the capacity with 24 tph in each direction for a total of an 48 tph inbound rush hour trains. There would have been modest through stations in Midtown and Downtown. An extra 48 tph, instead of the ESA's extra 24 tph could have provided local service for Eastern Queens. The Downtown East River Tunnel could have been double decked with a level for the subway. The subway tunnel could have been used to fill in a gap for the never built SAS second system. Possibly connecting the 8th Ave local tracks to Court St. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Jul 29 09:21:17 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 29 09:17:09 2020. Go back to the original plans developed around the 63rdnstreet tunnel. 48th st terminal separate from GCP was the LIRR destination, connect to second ave subway... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 09:23:15 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 29 09:17:09 2020. 1967 plan was a 3-track PATH-like terminal at 48th & 3rd Avenue.It was not until 1982 that a building went up on the west side of 3rd between 48th and 49th, and the building line is set back from other blocks. I wonder if that was to allow for the terminal ? I used to walk past it when I worked at 800 3rd Av. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jul 29 10:00:44 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Michael549 on Tue Jul 28 11:09:24 2020. PC Expo ... my record for getting free tee-shirts at a convention was set at this conference with 28! Those were good days indeed!--Mark |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 29 10:24:04 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 09:14:01 2020. Your ENTIRE POST WAS RACIST AS FUCK. Do you need me to point out to you WHERE? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 10:30:47 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 29 10:24:04 2020. No it wasn't. It's called travel patterns. It is not 1955. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 10:49:45 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:24:20 2020. When I was still working some Friday evenings I got stuck very late on some jobs and had to take some of those 1-2 AM trains out of Penn to get to my connection to Valley Stream out of Jamaica. They were nightmares as they were overrun with drunk and abusive people who caused a lot of trouble for the train crews. I don't blame the railroad for banning alcohol on those trains it should have been done long ago. Of course the MTA police were nonexistent on those trains although we pay very high fares for the privilege of riding the railroad. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 10:52:29 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 10:49:45 2020. On NJT, we called those trains "Vomit Comets". |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 29 10:59:11 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:24:20 2020. not to mention to numerous busy shuttles that serve reverse commuters to White PlainsI hope things have gotten better on those buses. In the late 1980s I lived in Manhattan and worked on Westchester Ave., about 3-4 miles from the White Plains station. I just about always drove. The bus was poor - not consistently on schedule, not frequent, and originated quite a walk from the station. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Jul 29 12:45:28 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 09:23:15 2020. 1967 was a bad plan. It didn't get any better. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 12:52:39 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Jul 28 20:26:52 2020. I have transferred between the two and while both lines are very busy at that hour it is not impossible. NJT has a relatively new concourse just across the Hilton Passageway from the LIRR. Obviously you need to have some time between trains to effect the transfer but it would be hard to justify the expense of getting compatible equipment to have run through services not to mention the other issues of train crew jurisdictions. It is difficult enough to manage NYPS with the existing services run by NJT, LIRR, and Amtrak without adding another potential problem area especially at a time when all of them will be looking to cut expenses not add to them. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 12:58:52 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 28 16:22:48 2020. So you take the LIRR to NYP and then get on an Amtrak train to PHL. I did the reverse one evening and it took less than 2 1/2 hours from the time I boarded Amtrak in Philadelphia to the time I got off the LIRR in Valley Stream. I had about 15-20 minutes between trains in NYP. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 14:03:33 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 12:58:52 2020. I've made transfers from one train to another in 90 seconds, albeit with some running, sometimes beating doors closing by 10 seconds. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 29 14:22:15 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 12:58:52 2020. My mom and I once did Wilmington, DE to JFK (airport). Acela to NYP, LIRR to JAM, AirTrain to JFK. Don't remember how long it took. Then a B6 flight JFK-FLL. Scheduled departure was 7:00 PM, actually pushed back at 6:58 PM. 90 minutes later, we were wheels up (gotta love a Sunday evening departure in the summer, when every flight to any country you ever heard of (and some that you haven't heard of) is leaving). B6 must pad its schedules, we arrived at FLL less than an hour down.Our plane was one of the older ones (N519JB "It had to be Blue").  |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Jul 29 15:33:23 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 14:03:33 2020. You can't beat Amtrak for getting to downtown Philly in a hurry most regular regional trains make the run in 1:15-1:20. The trip across New Jersey is very fast there is no highway that is more direct and even if there were you couldn't legally drive fast enough to beat the train. If you take NJT-Septa you are in for a long bumpy ride which will take twice as long although it is much less expensive. I wish that I could have taken the train in the GG1 days even their successors the AEM-7s are long gone. |
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Posted by Q4 on Wed Jul 29 15:49:52 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 10:52:29 2020. Worst trains I've heard from LIRR personnel are an eastbound Ronkonkoma train any night up to two hours after a Rangers vs Islanders game at MSG and anything on the Port Washington line (Vomit Trains) on a Friday night after 11:30. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:01:50 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 07:03:21 2020. "Hempstead is mostly a Brooklyn Branch."The track layout at Jamaica and the fact that Hempstead handles Queens Village and Hollis which are on the outer most tracks means Hempstead going to Brooklyn is actually a major operating inefficiency at Jamaica in that the trains must cross a multitude of tracks to access Brooklyn. EB it's better (still not great), but WB it's a nightmare. The Jamaica redesign doesn't change that either. Also, under the current covid schedule, 5 out of 8 Hempstead peak trains originate at NYP, and it's an almost even split for inbound peak. "There are no off-peak Great Neck and Freeport trains." That's fine, the time where more operating capacity is needed is peak. If thru-running can bring about that needed capacity, then that means thru running at peak is what's needed. And if thru running is employed to bring about additional capacity during peak, then thru running doesn't need to happen off peak because that's not when the capacity is needed. "There are no rush hour slots for more trains." Where did I say anything about more trains? I said if thru-running creates more capacity, then do it. And where specifically are you saying that there's no rush hour slots for more trains anyway? "The LIRR Main Line west of Jamaica will be even more congested with ESA coming on-line." All the more reason to employ whatever method can create more capacity. You're literally making my argument for me. "Off peak means adding trains for which there is no operating budget." Again, off peak isn't where the capacity is needed. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:04:08 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:57:54 2020. Funny, if you've paid any attention to recent developments and articles you'd actually notice the exact opposite has started to rumble. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:36:15 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 29 02:44:37 2020. JFK is a sprawling complex with 6 active terminals. You physically can not have a single station, or even 2 stations, at JFK and serve every terminal and keep a reasonable walk (walking distance is typically viewed as 1/4 mile but it is arguably way less than that when luggage is involved). As it is the walk from Airtrain to Jetblue at Terminal 5 is tedious at best. Imagine making that longer and then doing it for every terminal. That means your only other option is to have a central station and still have a distribution service to get to the terminals, which is exactly what the current set up is. The only difference is that central station is actually located at Jamaica & Howard Beach. Direct rail service only works for airports whose terminal facilities are more tightly knit. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jul 30 01:41:26 2020, in response to Re: LIRR+Park Avenue, posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 29 06:55:45 2020. Not at all, I am very much aware of them. It would require the expense of designing a new car that is capable of operating via both cat and 3rd rail, the risk of operating that new unproven design, re-negotiating labor agreements of 2 separate railroads, and improving the reliability of each railroad (and Amtrak who dispatches the NEC) while still having the risk of delays on one railroad causing delays on the other. Is there anything else that you'd like me to include?You on the other hand show that you have literally never attempted to make the transfer at rush hour on a regular basis by falsely claiming that there is no problem. |
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