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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 8 04:38:00 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. All Eastern Division. I'm sure it was there for a reason, but what? |
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jul 8 06:35:51 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. Was that during the period there were all in storage ? |
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 06:37:10 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. Those are probably GE R-16's in mothball storage.Other GE R-16's were scattered to other yards like Concourse and Rockaway Park. Bill Newkirk |
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[PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 07:49:13 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 06:37:10 2020.  Concourse Yard (March 1979)  36th St. Yard (April 1979) 
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 07:52:06 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 07:49:13 2020. 
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by zac on Wed Jul 8 09:02:40 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. Aside from them being in storage as noted, why does this seem so unusual? It is all eastern division and cars get moved around a lot. |
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 8 10:49:27 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. Motorman didn't change the head sign when the car was transfered.Or they split the transfer consist at the shack and put the cars on different tracks. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jul 8 11:02:40 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 07:49:13 2020. Nice |
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 15:48:52 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 06:37:10 2020. That makes sense. Long term stay at Fresh Pond. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 8 18:38:22 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jul 8 04:38:00 2020. Probably just transferred there from DO Yd and the crew hasn’t had a chance to properly set up the signs. Many yds that supply several line with cars have tis situation from time to time. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 8 18:42:52 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 15:48:52 2020. Moe probably still demanded, "Hey - what's the big idea!?" |
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 8 20:19:32 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 06:37:10 2020. Sometimes its railfan employees trolling.One time in Canarsie Yard there was an R143 signed up as the A Express to Utica Ave. One of those retired R42s in ENY yard is signed as the diamond Q. |
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Mike Cruz on Wed Jul 8 20:59:38 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. Why do I picture this becoming a MEME on here lol! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 9 02:38:04 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Mike Cruz on Wed Jul 8 20:59:38 2020. If I ever find the photo of myself at about age 6 on an M train(R27/30 of course) at Metropolitan that would be a meme.But it's still missing. I'm careless. |
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Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 06:30:45 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 8 20:19:32 2020. I once saw a photo line-up of R16's in Rockaway Park yard, with the end route sign set to a BMT number, and the destination sign box with post-Christie route sign, set to the corresponding lettered route. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 9 07:54:19 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 07:49:13 2020. Thanks for the pics, very nice!But it wouldn't be too long after this that the cars we're pulled out of mothballs to compensate for the loss of the R-46's, no? |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 08:05:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 9 07:54:19 2020. Did they all get pulled out of mothballs, or just the WH ones ? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 10:08:38 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. All Eastern Division Equipment could be found there at the time. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 11:29:18 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 9 07:54:19 2020. In the summer of 1978, months before I got hired as a c/r, many of them got pulled out of there and were lined up for scrap by Linden Shop. I spent a few hours there watching them moving cars around. Primarily 6400's. But a few 6300's ( basket cases I suppose. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 11:33:26 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 11:29:18 2020. Just 24 years old. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 11:34:31 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 08:05:27 2020. In their last days, I never saw any WH R-16's, only GE's. General Electric R-16's - Linden Yard (June 1985)  Westinghouse R-16's - 9th Ave. (October 1986) 
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 12:05:13 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 11:34:31 2020. Knocked out all the aluminum window sash. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 12:23:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 12:05:13 2020. Knocked out all the aluminum window sash.No, removed all aluminum window sashes. For on hand replacements for other SMEE's with drop sashes. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Thu Jul 9 13:12:22 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 11:29:18 2020. I seen a picture of an R9 and R10 cut up there. They cut up cars on TA property for a while in Coney Island before moving to Linden and finally rolling cars out to car floats on SBK |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 13:13:53 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 12:23:27 2020. The window sash beneath the little oval emergency knock out glass, aren't those a little different ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 13:14:41 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Ble-nimx on Thu Jul 9 13:12:22 2020. In the late 1960's, they were cutting up MP54's in Coney Island. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 13:35:19 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 13:13:53 2020. The window sash beneath the little oval emergency knock out glass, aren't those a little different ?The entire sash would drop after the glass was broken and the lever was pulled. It was a emergency escape feature that wasn't repeated when the R-21's were ordered. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 13:39:01 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 13:35:19 2020. But the sash itself is the same dimensionally as the regular ones ?I seem to remember them as indented more. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:07:48 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 13:39:01 2020. The frame itself was indented a bit more but the rest of the components were probably identical. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:20:32 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 9 10:08:38 2020. Fresh Pond seemed to be the point of no return for many BMT cars. There are photos of the Zephyr and the Bluebird stored there prior to being scrapped. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 19:36:02 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 8 18:38:22 2020. Nah.The M line had No part of the R16s back then. Those cars practically stayed on the LL and J lines. From THAT POINT, UNTIL THE MID EIGHTIES, THE 16 WERE THE STANDARD ROLLING STOCK FOR THE JAMAICA LINE. I HATED THEM. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 19:54:48 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 11:34:31 2020. I rode on an R-16 Moe in October of 1986, from Chambers St or Canal St. to Essex. Somehow it didn't break down. It was only the second time I'd ever ridden on the R-16s. I remember looking at those slanted door pockets and thinking, those weren't always there. Well, they weren't there on my first R-16 ride on Sept. 23, 1967!:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 19:56:02 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 11:33:26 2020. Lemons with a capital L. Time to put them out of their misery. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 19:59:41 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 19:36:02 2020. They came full circle. Had they never left the Three Stooges Division, I believe they would have stood up much better. The good folks at ENY knew how to take care of them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 20:00:24 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:20:32 2020. And the final BMT standard run was on the Moe. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 20:33:24 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 19:56:02 2020. Grandfathers of the R179's. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 9 20:38:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 9 11:34:31 2020. And to think I operated 6313 and friends to Ninth Ave. in those days.Went out of service many times. Mostly for door problems. |
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Posted by Ble-nimx on Thu Jul 9 20:42:45 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by randyo on Thu Jul 9 16:07:48 2020. I welded steel plate over the missing rubber gaskets on tge 6398. The sashes are all interchangeable on all cars including redbirds without the fold in upper sashes. The box frame itself that holds the lower and upper sashes slides down its own track for emergencies |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 9 21:35:24 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 19:54:48 2020. YupFunny thing about that. This rebuilding process was supposed to fix the original design issues affecting the cars. They were Sidelined during the winter months due to door problems. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 9 22:11:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Ble-nimx on Thu Jul 9 20:42:45 2020. So the way the emergency window was supposed to work, was that the whole window was supposed to drop down into the car body? Interesting. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 9 22:20:53 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 9 11:33:26 2020. Imagine if one of the new car classes these days were gone at 24 years? Then again, that seems to happen enough with Amtrak and their locomotives. :-S |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 9 22:41:03 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 19:54:48 2020. My first R-16 ride was 1975 or 76. GG and LL lines had them. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 9 23:39:15 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Jul 8 07:49:13 2020. With all those OOS trains at Fresh Pond Yard where did M trains LU?Those trains take up so much room it seems like a lot of hassle. Most M crews work out of Met. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:37:32 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jul 9 22:20:53 2020. Or NJT and their Arrow II MU's and Comet III coaches. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:42:24 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 9 19:59:41 2020. From 1967 when they left ENY to 1977 when they returned, they aged about 20 years. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Fri Jul 10 07:39:08 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:42:24 2020. Sad but true. So did almost every other subway car as the TA deferred maintenance on the entire fleet and the graffiti vandals had their way unimpeded by the police. Even the almost indestructible R32 cars looked like they had been in a war zone. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Fri Jul 10 08:16:12 2020, in response to Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 8 03:37:31 2020. I’ve unfortunately missed out on riding the R16s as they weren’t a common sight on the Brighton line when I was a kid. M train was usually R27/30, R40m/42 and the occasional R32. Even when we traveled from Fulton-Nassau, anytime I saw a J train, was always an R27/30. Wasn’t until maybe 86 when the R40m and 42s were a common sight on the J and M but never saw an R16. Oldest car class I ever rode in service was the R10, that alone was a treat. The only way I knew the R16 existed was the 1977 King Kong movie, then seeing the actual car in the Transit Museum as well as CIY.Vader |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 10 10:23:00 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 10 06:42:24 2020. They should have kept them at Jamaica Yard.At one point, before being at ENY enmass,they were playing around with them on the CC local. Now,Since that was a rush Only route, the TA should have kept the fleet at Pitkin For that reason. Guess they figured ENY could bring the 16s back from the dead. Too bad the R16 GOH Program fell through. Mock up car was sweet looking, but looked too much like the 44s interior. The weight would have been way too much. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Jul 10 10:29:29 2020, in response to Re: Why would an R-16 LL be in Fresh Pond Yard?, posted by murray1575 on Fri Jul 10 07:39:08 2020. Not just the fleet, but the entire system!It was Appalling to watch. WHY did It take A MAJOR SLAP TO THE FACE ONE VERY COLD DECEMBER MORNING WITH ALMOST HALF THE FLEET DOWN, RED TAGS EVERYWHERE... I Remember one winter storm, the Entire Brighton line was out from 7th Avenue,all the way to Coney Island for an extended period of time. Why? Snow! SNOW!😑 |
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