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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 5 00:08:33 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 4 18:12:34 2020. Back then we had no air conditioned trains and it was good for ventilation. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jul 5 00:35:23 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 4 15:42:56 2020. Very true. I do recall seeing an occasional solid consist of R-33s on the 6 around 1981 or so. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jul 5 00:38:44 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 13:16:56 2020. I didn't realize the R-62 ever went to the Flushing line? I know it had plenty of R-62As |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 5 01:25:04 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 15:46:02 2020. Corona yard had no loop track. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 5 07:06:47 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Train Dude on Sun Jul 5 01:25:04 2020. I saw what looked like a loop track in the 2011 Dougherty book page 47 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 5 08:59:20 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 5 07:06:47 2020. Maybe now, but not back in the 60s. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 5 09:03:01 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jul 5 00:38:44 2020. Correct. #7 was all R62a at one time. However, Ill speculate that their performance compared to the R62 was close to identical. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by zac on Sun Jul 5 09:28:21 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 15:46:02 2020. What? The signs display both, one under the other. Just look at the pic. They didn't care what order the destinations were displayed. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 5 10:11:09 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by murray1575 on Sat Jul 4 22:40:43 2020. The 6 and 7 were, to my memory, the only lines that didn't end up with dog's-breakfast consists of whatever cars the yard threw together to make a train. The period from the late '70s to the late '80s was indeed a wild time. I remember an IRT car (an older IRT SMEE model) bursting into flames at one of the Lower Manhattan stations due to advanced neglect in the "deferred maintenance" era. By the fall of 1983, the whole system had hundreds of "red tag" areas where a speed restriction of 10 MPH was in effect, and derailments were common occurrences.No matter how bad things appear today, they will never begin to approach conditions during the "bad old days"... |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 5 18:29:47 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jul 5 00:38:44 2020. Despite the minor differences, I don’t make any distinction between the R-62s and 62As like I don’t make any distinction between the R-30s and 30As or the R-32s and 32As. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 5 18:31:58 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by zac on Sun Jul 5 09:28:21 2020. Only the end sign was like that. The side signs were in their proper spaces. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jul 5 19:27:54 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 5 18:29:47 2020. I get it. I think my thing for the R62 was that it was assigned to the #4 (one of my home lines) from the start, so I was used to riding them quite regularly. I couldn't do it with the R30/30A and R32/32A as those classes came along before I was born, and were well into their lives by the time I rode either for the first time. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Jul 6 05:33:40 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 5 10:11:09 2020. The 6 was a little better than the other IRT mainlines as there were a lot of R26/28/29 cars which were in better shape than the older ones on that line. You never saw an old R12/14/15 car on the 6. The 7 had been equipped with R33WF and R36WF cars in 1963-64. The major problem with them before GOH is that they were all heavily vandalized. The introduction of the R62/R62A and the GOH of all the remaining married pair cars solved all the mixed consist issues on the IRT. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 6 06:52:12 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 5 07:06:47 2020. Back then, #7 trains had to be sent to Coney Island to be looped. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 6 06:52:14 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sun Jul 5 07:06:47 2020. Back then, #7 trains had to be sent to Coney Island to be looped. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 6 07:38:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jul 6 06:52:14 2020. I'm not getting something here - why would trains be looped?I thought if a train were being set to go in an opposite direction, then all that would need to be done would be to change the roll signs on all the cars. Is this thread talking about a different kind of looping? Thank you in advance. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by zac on Mon Jul 6 08:29:35 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 5 18:31:58 2020. The point being that it didn't seem to matter to anyone... |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 6 10:13:27 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 6 07:38:49 2020. Yep.The south end turned to the north. The Whole train can be turned, not reversed. The DO Yard ENY/ can turn trains. Can Flushing trains be turned Now,with Corona Yard/Shops rebuilt..? |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 10:45:41 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 6 10:13:27 2020. YUP |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jul 6 12:47:47 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Jul 6 10:45:41 2020. May need to increase the size to clearly see the loop track |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 6 13:13:57 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jul 6 12:47:47 2020. I see it. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Jul 6 14:35:11 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Express Rider on Mon Jul 6 07:38:49 2020. Looping the trains evens out wear and tear on the cars. A train may encounter longer and steeper upgrades in one direction than the other, or open and close the doors more on one side in one direction than in the other direction. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 6 14:41:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by VictorM on Mon Jul 6 14:35:11 2020. Yeah.Even the skin subjected to weather. Steel expands in the sun,contracts in the cold,becomes unbleached or baked. Ever been on a LIRR M3 when one side of the car looks awesome,widows clear,and the other side is Jacked? Well, this is why they have to turn trains every so often. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:29:33 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by murray1575 on Mon Jul 6 05:33:40 2020. The mixed consists on the IRT were the result of the policy of the IRT’s Cars & Shops dept that decided to assign cars to various maintenance facilities based on electrical manufacturer rather than car type On the bMT and IND cars were assigned by car types so that each line had its distinctive car type like R-16s for the Jamaica, R-27/30s for the Brighton and 4 Av Lcls and R-32s for the Brighton and Sea Beach Exp and West End Exp and Lcl. The IND was a bit easier since pre Chrystie all the R-10s were assigned to the A Line. The IRT, on the other hand in order to keep all WH equipped cars on certain lines and all GE equipped cars on other lines ended up with a situation in which various car types were used in single trains, a situation that would not appear on the other divisions till the car shortages of the late 1960s/early 1970s. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Jul 6 16:49:45 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:29:33 2020. However the 7 was an exception on the IRT since it had both GE and WH cars assigned to it. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jul 6 17:17:19 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 6 16:29:33 2020. Hence the Borgaschmord Train era. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jul 7 02:19:46 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jul 6 14:41:49 2020. Thanks! |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Jul 7 06:46:18 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by VictorM on Mon Jul 6 14:35:11 2020. The 5 and 6 lines are the only ones that use reversing loops in regular service. The 6 uses the abandoned City Hall station and the 5 uses the inner loop at South Ferry. I think that on most lines the use of doors evens out as the usage per side in one direction is usually the opposite of what happens in the other direction. However there are some lines like the L which have some stations where the doors open on the same side in both directions. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jul 7 09:02:26 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by murray1575 on Tue Jul 7 06:46:18 2020. However there are some lines like the L which have some stations where the doors open on the same side in both directions.Doesn't the L have that one station where one direction is outdoors and the other in subway? Might be Wilson Av. Strangest thing I ever saw. I assume there was a reason they had to build it that way. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 7 09:33:08 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Jul 7 09:02:26 2020. Doesn't the L have that one station where one direction is outdoors and the other in subway? Might be Wilson Av. Strangest thing I ever saw. I assume there was a reason they had to build it that way. That would be Wilson Avenue. The entire station is above ground with the Canarsie bound trains on the upper level and the Manhattan bound trains on the lower level. Because it is enclosed the lower level gives the false impression that it is a subway station. The reason for this is that the Canarsie Line is right up against Holy Trinity Cemetery. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Jul 7 10:39:52 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 7 09:33:08 2020. The B and C local stations along CPW are similar in that the platforms are on the west side of the track so the doors open on the same side in both directions. The uptown trains are on the upper level and the downtown trains are on the lower level. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 7 15:32:28 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by murray1575 on Tue Jul 7 10:39:52 2020. Yes!And 207 would have to turn the train,not reverse,so the Left side of the car can get work in. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jul 7 17:44:17 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Jul 7 09:33:08 2020. It’s not only because of the cemetery but also because the line is sandwiched between the cemetery and The NY Connecting RR ROW so there was no room to put the tracks side by side. |
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