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Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 2 10:24:53 2020 I came accross this while research my files. The IRT guys might find it of interest.Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements – August 1961 Rt. 1 Broadway Local – 43 x 8 = 344 cars Rt. 2 7th Avenue Exp – 34 x 9 = 306 cars Rt. 3 7th Avenue Exp – 28 x 9 = 252 cars Rt. 4 Lexington Av Exp – 30 x 10 = 300 cars Rt. 5 Lexington Av Exp – 43 x 10 = 430 cars Rt. 6 Lexington Av Lcl – 47 x 8 = 376 cars Rt. 7 Flushing Lcl/Exp – 36 x 9 = 324 cars 3rd Avenue Local - 11 x 6 = 66 cars 42nd Street Shuttle – 2x3, 1x4 = 10 cars Bowling Grn Shuttle 1 x 2 = 2 cars Source: ERA New York Division Bulletin / August 1961 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 2 13:53:07 2020, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 2 10:24:53 2020. All of the R-17s were still on the 6, I presume. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 2 14:02:56 2020, in response to Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Jul 2 10:24:53 2020. I though the R17's of 1955 assigned to the #7 meant going from 9 to 10 cars. I guess not. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 16:18:34 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 2 14:02:56 2020. In 1961, the R-17s had not yet been transferred to the Flushing Line. One thing I noticed during the time that the R-17s through 21s were being retrofitted with seal beam headlights was that that all Pelham trains had seal beams as opposed to the Bway trains which were not assembled that way. One day while standing at G/Cent Lex, I observed that the Yd/Mast at West Yd had assembled the trains in such a way that the 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th cars of the trains all had the seal beams installed. That meant that all the trains at all times would have seal beams even overnight when 4 car trains were operated. Of course as more cars received the seal beams and the entire R-17 fleet was retrofitted assembling the cars in 4 car sets like that became unnecessary. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jul 2 22:14:58 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 2 13:53:07 2020. The R-26 and R-28 were around in 1961, but maybe the 6 didn't get theirs (mostly 7800s) until later. Once the R-29 and R-33s came (which allowed for retirement of quite a few pre-war cars), the 6 got a lot of them, and most of the 17s went to other lines, the 6 only keeping (IIRC) 6740-6899. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 2 23:00:39 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 2 14:02:56 2020. IIRC they went to the Flushing Line in 1963 when they went from 10 to 11 cars. Since they needed singles to make up the 11 car consist, the R17s came in mighty handy since all the R12/14 & 15s were heading for the mainline. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 00:06:51 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jul 2 22:14:58 2020. The Pelham (6) got the R-26s as soon as they were delivered and they were the 7800s WH equipped. The 7700s (GEs) came later. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 00:08:45 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 2 23:00:39 2020. They went from 9 to 10 to 11 in a few short steps. The transfer of the R-17 allowed them to go the 10 cars first. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jul 3 00:26:02 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 00:06:51 2020. That's what I thought, but I was just a little kid & I heard people talking about the new trains with the pink seats. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 3 07:57:59 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 00:08:45 2020. Shown here is a Flushing bound local between Bliss St & Lincoln Ave with a mix of R-15s & 17s |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 3 10:14:43 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Jul 2 13:53:07 2020. All of the R-17s were still on the 6, I presume. Steve: To the best of my research at that moment in time, yes. Beginning in early 1962 some cars went to the 42nd Street Shuttle to replace the World's Fair Steinways. Also at that time 6695 to 6704 were transferred to the No. 1. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 3 10:18:28 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Thu Jul 2 14:02:56 2020. I though the R17's of 1955 assigned to the #7 meant going from 9 to 10 cars. I guess not. Joe: The August 1961 car requirement was for 36-9 cars trains equaling 324. There were only a total of 350 R-12/14/15's. That was not enough to protect the service and provide a comfortable shop margin. Hence fifty R-17's (6500-6549) were sent over from the mainland to help out. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 3 10:29:21 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jul 2 23:00:39 2020. IIRC they went to the Flushing Line in 1963 when they went from 10 to 11 cars. Since they needed singles to make up the 11 car consist, the R17s came in mighty handy since all the R12/14 & 15s were heading for the mainline. Jim: As the R-33/36 WF cars went into service on the No.7 the R-12/14/15's were repatriated back to the mainlines. The R17's began to return in November 1963. However when the World's Fair opened on April 6, 1964 only 416 of the Bluebirds had been delivered. So about 30 R-33 Redbirds were sent over from the mainland along with a few R-17's to make up eleven car trains. By July 1964 enough Bluebirds were on hand so that the Redbirds and the R-17 were returned to the mainlines |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 15:30:48 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 3 10:29:21 2020. The Main Line R33's lacked destination and route signs for the #7 ? |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Jul 3 17:54:12 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 15:30:48 2020. The Main Line R33's lacked destination and route signs for the #7 ? That is correct. I believe that they made up paper signs and put them in the rollsign windows. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 18:38:47 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jul 3 00:26:02 2020. Actually, the first cars with pink hard seats were the last 10 R-22s 7515 - 7524 one of which 7516 was used on the automated T/Sq shuttle and was lost in the fire. Those cars had speckled green interiors like the GOHed BMT steels and i was hoping the R-26s would be like that but unfortunately they had the drab 2 tone blue and gray. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 18:41:49 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 3 07:57:59 2020. And weird as it may see, the R-17s did not have proper signage for the Flushing Lin and had to use stick ons. Why the IRT cars were not equipped with all the possible routes and destinations I don’t know but that was typical of the cesspool of incompetence that passed for and continues to pass for planning and upper management. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 19:40:09 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 18:41:49 2020. Did Flushing R33 and R36s have Main Line destination signs ?I know the route signs had generic Express, Local, Exp-Local, Local-Exp. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 3 19:47:32 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 19:40:09 2020. the penny pinching behavior of many transit properties before cheap digital signs was to only buy enough signage to run the "normal" services from a given yard or barn. When DC Transit ended streetcar service in 1962, they pulled the side signboxes out of the PCCs to re-use on the next order of buses. They were however generous with the oil cloth rolls from the fronts of the cars. Mine, acquired by phoning and requesting, is currently displaying 36TH & Prospect NW. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 20:13:25 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jul 3 19:47:32 2020. So PCC front roll signs wound up in GM Fishbowls ? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jul 3 20:24:27 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 18:38:47 2020. Thanks for that. I can't pull up any memory of it though.Do you remember anything about the floors in those 10 cars? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 3 21:41:06 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 19:40:09 2020. Nope. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 3 22:03:25 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 18:41:49 2020. Behold. Shown here is an R17 making up the 11th car of a set R33 mainline redbirds at 45th Rd, Court House Sq Sta.. Thankfully cardboard, Magic Marker & duct tape was available to make the front end bonnet destination signs. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Jul 4 00:03:34 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 20:13:25 2020. I don't think so. I think the headsign mechanism was not a modular option as were the side signboxes, and many of the readings on my roll were no longer terminals after bustitution. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 03:00:27 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Fri Jul 3 19:40:09 2020. The Exp-Lcl and Lcl-Exp signs actually had arrows |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 03:03:08 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jul 3 20:24:27 2020. The floors in those cars were identical to the floors on the rest of the R-22s unlike the floors of the R-26s through 30s which had a slightly brownish tint to them. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jul 4 08:56:23 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jul 2 22:14:58 2020. I remember in the early 1980's the (4) had almost all R-17s with a limited number of R-21s/22s mixed in. Occasionally I'd see a later model car on that line. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 09:08:33 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jul 3 22:03:25 2020. They probably had "Times Square" on the route sign for the Shuttle. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 4 11:16:45 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jul 4 08:56:23 2020. You mean there might have a solid R-17 consist or two on the 4? Amazing!:) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 11:35:57 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 09:08:33 2020. It should have. But if you look closely, it looks like there are 3 white cardboard signs on the side of the R17 lead car. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 11:41:29 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 11:35:57 2020. Could be a north sign/south sign issue |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Jul 4 13:02:24 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jul 4 08:56:23 2020. Yup! I remember it well. I think the 6800s were at Pelham, 10 6500s on the shuttle, and all of the rest of the R-17s were on the 4, and as you said with some R-21s in there. There also were a few R-33s, but the chances of even seeing a pair was very low as I think it had only something like 883X-885X. For that reason along I'd avoid the 4 during the summer in favor of the D.Then... The mighty R-62s showed up, and I was immediately hooked on riding those rockets. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Jul 4 13:04:44 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 4 11:16:45 2020. It funny that it almost seemed like the #4 line had just enough R-21s where many (if not most) of the consists would have a random (or two) R-21 units. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 13:12:33 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 11:41:29 2020. The average rider wouldn't notice north from south on side destination signs or care. Just as long as the destinations are correct. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 13:16:56 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jul 4 13:02:24 2020. Rockets? On the Lex Ave runs maybe But when they showed up on the Flushing Line, they bogged down big time with a rush hr load uphill in the Steinway Tunnel coming into Vernon-Jackson. The R33/36WF were better performers IMO. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 13:52:45 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jul 4 13:12:33 2020. Not about that. If Times Square was only on the north sign, they would have to paste over the north sign to be "Main Street", which was not present at all, and paste the south sign to say "Times Square" to be consistent wit the WF cars. |
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Posted by zac on Sat Jul 4 15:19:00 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 13:52:45 2020. But look at the pasted on front sign, Times Square on top and Main St underneath. If they cared at all it would be the other way around, but they didn't care. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 4 15:42:56 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jul 4 13:04:44 2020. You almost never saw a solid train of anything on the mainlines for ages. |
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Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961 |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 15:46:02 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by zac on Sat Jul 4 15:19:00 2020. Trains can get turned in the yard. If they displayed Times Square on the end rollsign, and it now faces Manhattan, now what, with no Main Street read out ? |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Jul 4 16:07:28 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jul 4 13:02:24 2020. Woodlawn was assigned 7050 to 7099 IIRC |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Jul 4 16:10:07 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Fri Jul 3 18:38:47 2020. The last 10 R22s also had R33 side door window glazing and an abnormal End door window sash dropdown which tracked exterior to the door |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 17:29:53 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Joe V on Sat Jul 4 13:52:45 2020. As i recall, the R-17s were unique in that they had both north and south destinations on both the upper and lower sign box (the route box doesn’t count). |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 17:45:01 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by BLE-NIMX on Sat Jul 4 16:10:07 2020. I wouldn’t call it R-33 side window glazing but R-26 type. In addition to what I mentioned before, I was also hoping that the R-26 would have had that single drop sash end door window but for whatever reason, the TA opted for the R-12/14 style single sealed window. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 4 18:12:34 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 17:45:01 2020. ? Why would you want sash end door window? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 4 19:37:27 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 17:29:53 2020. Talk about flexibility! |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jul 4 20:03:28 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by randyo on Sat Jul 4 03:03:08 2020. Thankyou. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Sat Jul 4 21:24:38 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jul 4 13:02:24 2020. Correct 6800s were at Pelham... |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Jul 4 22:40:43 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 4 15:42:56 2020. I remember seeing and riding on just about every type of car on the IRT mainlines in the 1970s and 1980s until the R62 and R62A came and sent most of the older cars to the scrap yard. There were consists which had everything from R12/14/15 to the newer R29 and R33 cars but all of them were heavily vandalized and usually had a lot of non working lights and doors. You took your life into your hands riding those trains because police protection was nonexistent. The B division wasn't much better with older R10 and R16 cars having been taken out of storage due to the R46 truck fiasco. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sat Jul 4 22:52:32 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by WayneJay on Sat Jul 4 13:02:24 2020. And they had air conditioning that worked. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 4 23:15:14 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Dispatch No. 33 IRT Car Requirements / August 1961, posted by Pelham Exp on Sat Jul 4 21:24:38 2020. In the mid-70s, they also had (IIRC) 6740-6799. Maybe that changed by the 80s. |
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