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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 9 08:41:51 2020 Tuscarora Almanac - April 9, 1936 - The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York Independent Subway System The IND Fulton Street Line is extended from Hoyt - Schermerhorn Streets to a new station at Court Street. Shuttle service between these two stations is provided Monday through Saturday by the "HH Fulton Street Local". Tuscarora Almanac – April 9, 1949 – The Book of First and Last Runs Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Philadelphia Transportation Company Route 25 – Cedar Street – Memphis Street trolley line is converted to bus service. Source: “Philadelphia Trolleys in Color” , Volume II, (Morning Sun Books /1998) by Mr. William D. Volkmer Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 9 17:40:06 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 9 08:41:51 2020. What is interesting about the operation of the HH service is that maps showing an HH service operating between Court St and ENY started appearing in some of the cars after Euclid opened and 2 years after the HH shuttle ceased operation. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 9 20:11:32 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 9 17:40:06 2020. My 1948 Hagstrom's map shows those two terminals as well.On that same day in 1936, the Fulton St. line opened as far as Rockaway Ave. My IND sign box is signed, Wash. Hts-207th St and Fulton-Rockaway Av for the occasion. |
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Posted by zac on Thu Apr 9 20:51:15 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 9 20:11:32 2020. How did they turn the trains at Rockaway Ave? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 9 22:27:49 2020, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 9 08:41:51 2020. I wonder if there ever was any volume of traffic on the shuttle during rush hours, or if the passenger traffic was sparse at all times?Was the shuttle 24 hours or only from 5 or 6 am through midnight? |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 03:09:44 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by zac on Thu Apr 9 20:51:15 2020. From 1936 when the line opened to rockaway Av till 1946 when it opened to ENY, there was a diamond Xover between the 2 exp tks N/O Rockaway Av. The lcl tks at Ralph and Rock Aves were covered over by temporary wooden platforms and trains operated on the exp tks between Utica and Rockaway Av which was configured somewhat like Flatbush Av on the IRT. Apparently the temporary plat at Rock Av didn’t quite line up with the regular platforms since there is a location on the exp tks approximately opposite the 8 car marker on the lcl tk with a few ft of type I roadbed instead of the concrete where the bumping blocks used to be. It was probably done that way to allow for a crossover ramp for passengers to get to/from the entrance/exit. When ENY first opened, the wooden platforms were remove from the N/b tk and while S/B trains continued to used the exp tk S/O Utica, N/B trains used the lcl tk. The way the operation ran was that S/B trains used the exp tk to N/O ENY where they crossed to the N/B exp tk.At that point there was a diamond Xover between the N/b Lcl and N/B exp tk and trains used the N/B island platform at ENY as a stub terminal. while the tracks and stations were completed between ENY and Euclid. I don’t have exact documentation about it so I cant say for sure whether or not that operation continued up until the line opened to Euclid or whether at some point the line S/O ENY was completed enough to allow trains to use the lcl tk between Utica and ENY and relay S/O the station. During the original operation the switches at Rock Av were controlled by the tower at Utica and I had occasion to visit the tower and by looking at the model board in the proper light, could see where the switches and signals at Rock Av had been painted over. The Xover space N/O Rock Av is still visible and since support columns between the express tks were omitted, there are extra support columns between the lcl and exp tks in both directions tp support the roof of the tunnel. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 03:32:45 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 9 22:27:49 2020. According to documentation it only ran from 700Am till 700PM and If i’m not mistaken only Mon - Sat with no Sunday service. |
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Posted by zac on Fri Apr 10 23:19:48 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 03:09:44 2020. Thanks, I had to read through it twice to get it but I do now. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 11 14:29:31 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 03:09:44 2020. Randy, I heard that the columns at Ralph and Rockaway Ave stations were built that way. The doors lined up between the girder work for the temporary wooden platforms covering the local tracks. No other IND stations were built like that. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 11 17:33:04 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Apr 11 14:29:31 2020. That makes a bit of sense. According to an IND old timer, the old IND rule that required C/Rs to observe the platform till their position cleared the end of the platform (changed over the years to 3 car lengths) did not apply to Ralph or Rocky Aves since there was insufficient clearance between the C/R’s steps and the station columns. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 13 14:59:10 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 03:09:44 2020. Have you ever seen photos of the old temporary platforms? This has been a quirk I had always wanted to know more about. The detail about the roadbed is fascinating. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 13 15:26:34 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 13 14:59:10 2020. I don’t quite understand why the small roadbed change was made there since at every other terminal with type II roadbed the concrete goes right up to the bumping block. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Mon Apr 13 17:51:50 2020, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for April 9, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 10 03:32:45 2020. Thank you! |
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