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Posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020 click image to see it big.      Look ahead... - Pilot cars will be deliver in July 2020 - Delivery of Open Gangway Test trains May 2021 - The first production cars October 2021 - Staten Island first cars on December 2021 - June/August 2023 base order completed - 2023-2025 Option order cars delivery |
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Posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:58 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. pages 72-77 pdf link |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 18:16:34 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. I can’t wait for the open gangway style. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 18:33:12 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. Wide doors mean small windows.Wonder if the SIR cars will be 5 car semi-attached sets and if the Stapleton shops can manage with that. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jan 17 18:39:51 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 18:16:34 2020. S7 stock in London. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 18:50:19 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Dave on Fri Jan 17 18:39:51 2020. That was the second time I rode open gangway style after Toronto. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 17 19:00:39 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 17 18:33:12 2020. It looks like one set of doors in each car is wider than the others. True? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jan 17 19:26:49 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. #4256 - R 40 numberBill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jan 17 21:35:36 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 18:50:19 2020. The S-8's have it as well, IIRC. |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Fri Jan 17 22:36:28 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. With all the excitement over open gangway cars and cars being attached in 4 or 5-car sets, why haven't they gone the next logical step and just built articulated units like the multis or the triplexes of old?Will a 10-car open gangway train be 2 5-car open units or one 10-car unit open from end to end? |
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Posted by MTA T on Fri Jan 17 22:40:33 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. Image bam |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 22:40:36 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Dave on Fri Jan 17 21:35:36 2020. They're the same except longer. I rode District, Circle and Hammersmith, but no Metropolitan Line. Metro uses the S-8 the others use the S-7. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 18 03:07:40 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by mack c-49 on Fri Jan 17 22:36:28 2020. Will probably be 5 car sets since OPTO is not likely to be implemented system wide so a place for a C/R cab will be needed in the middle. Not only that but many maintenance barns cannot handle a complete 600 ft train so trains will have to be cuttable in either 5 car units or 4 cars for the BMT eastern. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 07:10:49 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by mack c-49 on Fri Jan 17 22:36:28 2020. It would need to be 12 or 14 car bodies. The middle cars would have to be shorter to keep truck base constant and the same as a normal 60' car. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 08:51:02 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by randyo on Sat Jan 18 03:07:40 2020. There are also OPTO issues with the M and Rock Park shuttles. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jan 18 08:56:23 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. 4256? Wonder where the numbering is starting (maybe 4000 or 4001, which would give them a straight shot to 5000, now that the R-42s are history.) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 09:11:14 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jan 18 08:56:23 2020. They need 5 digit numbers. Numbers series for any class of car will be a mess without it. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sat Jan 18 11:13:16 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jan 17 19:00:39 2020. I think it might just be a trick of perspective and different coloring, but the first door might be wider. It looks like the accessibility sign on the floor is next to the first door so that would make sense if true. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 18 21:33:12 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 09:11:14 2020. Something like:CC### Where CC is the last 2 digits of the contract number. Increment CC by one when say 11999 is reached, because the likelihood of consecutive contract numbers going to subway cars again is low (last was R142-R143). If it's a split order (base, A, B, whatever) incrementing CC by one for each variant would also work. |
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Posted by The silence on Sat Jan 18 22:11:44 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 22:40:36 2020. I think the S8 also have a different seating configuration. |
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Posted by TeRrApiN Station on Sun Jan 19 02:55:43 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 18:16:34 2020. Eh, sexy ladyOh-oh-oh-oh |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:15:19 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 08:51:02 2020. What issues. R/P shuttles are operated with single 4 car R-46 trains and OPTO Ms are operated with 4 car R-160s. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:25:43 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 07:10:49 2020. Exactly. Articulation on a standard length railcar would increase the center excess of the cars causing problems on convex curves. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:28:22 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 18 09:11:14 2020. If I recall some of the NYCT buses had 5 digits but I don’t think there are any 5 digit buses around any more. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:53:00 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by K. Trout on Sat Jan 18 11:13:16 2020. Well the assessable door on the IRT’s NTTs is the first door on the end cars of a 5 car unit. |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Mon Jan 20 08:33:19 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:25:43 2020. True, but would this exceed that of the 75' cars that already operate through most of the B division? Just wondering.I realize that, unlike in olden BMT days, the desire for standardization now often outweighs creative thinking, despite the fact that none of the newer batches of high technology rolling stock can operate together in revenue service. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jan 20 19:32:11 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. So this means that the SIR(T) R44s will make it to almost 50 years, IF there are no delays. And by the way things have gone, they might actually reach their semi-centennial... |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jan 20 20:16:09 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:28:22 2020. Yes. IIRC, it was the 1993 Orion Vs. Originally numbered 93XXX (I rode 93086 on the Q48 during a visit to NY in June 1994. Was staying at the Holiday Inn Crown Plaza by LGA (now a different chain), and used the Q48 to get to the 7 to get into Manhattan (and once to get to a Mets game). Subsequently, they were renumbered into a 3-digit series (200s?)I don't think there were any other 5-digit classes, but I could be mistaken. Down here in South FloriDUH, Miami-Dade Transit has been 5 digits for years. Sequence is YYTXX, where YY = last 2 numbers of year ordered, T = type* and XX just numbers 01-99 *T codes 1, 2 - standard 40-foot buses 3 - less than 40-foot buses 4 - not used 5 - Articulated buses (60/62 foot) 6 - Not used 7 - Over-the-road coaches 8,9 - Not used Broward County Transit (BCt) has used a simple YYXX since they were formed in the 70s, but later this year they are getting in a 146 (I think) bus order from Gillig, so they will be switching to YYXXX. The first bus (20001) is already on the property, and has been painted in a new livery. Once it (or others) hit the streets, I'll try to get a pic and post here. Forgot to mention, BCT has some over-the-road coaches for their express services on I-95, I-75 and I-595. Those buses are YYXX with an "X" added after the numbers. Right now they have 1425X-1429X, 5001X-5009X and 1701X-1730X. I don't know if they have ordered any more. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jan 20 20:49:14 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:28:22 2020. I do not like the idea of 5 digit numbers at all.We had this discussion a little while back. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jan 20 20:55:48 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by randyo on Sun Jan 19 18:28:22 2020. In the early 1990s, the Orion 5s had 5-digit numbers. They got renumbered before very long, though. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 21 23:15:25 2020, in response to New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by gold_12th on Fri Jan 17 18:09:03 2020. Maybe it's the just the blue stripe but it looks like the new M-9's |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jan 22 11:08:17 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 22:40:36 2020. I am not a fan. They should re-enable traditional car end passage. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 22 11:31:11 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jan 22 11:08:17 2020. Neither am I |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Jan 23 14:34:01 2020, in response to Re: New images of Kawasaki R-211 cars, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 17 18:16:34 2020. Open Gangnam Style!--Mark |
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