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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 13 22:57:26 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 13 19:10:50 2020.

The explanation for Ely Avenue is that Queens wasn’t converted all at once, and LIC was converted later. Ely (and Van Alst for that matter) lasted longer and given that the area was already heavily developed, survived in the popular consciousness to the time of the IND.

While it's true that street name changes in the Long Island City area, which occurred in 1925, were at the late end of the 1915 to 1926 Queens change cycle, they were still 14 years before the 23rd Street-Ely Avenue station opened.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 09:45:14 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 13 22:57:26 2020.

And I explained why they kept Van Alst and Ely.

“…survived in the popular consciousness to the time of the IND.”

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 14 11:05:54 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 09:45:14 2020.

And later. When I was growing up in Astoria (not LIC) in the 1950s, my parents and the other old-timers all called 21st St. "Van Alst."

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 14:59:19 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 11:12:07 2020.

It has nothing to do with confusion. It's because it's in the mosaics, and not a simple metal sign change.
Nobody refers to "Slattery Plaza", nor does anyone probably even pay attention to the name in the tiles on the wall that say it.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 14:59:29 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Joe V on Mon Jan 13 11:42:21 2020.

Yes.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 15:04:41 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jan 12 20:09:11 2020.

Fulton St changed from Broadway-Nassau St too


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Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 15:07:19 2020, in response to PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet, posted by gbs on Sun Jan 12 21:31:55 2020.

23rd St-Ely has always been one of my favorite IND stations because of the color, and quality of the tiles.
The mosaics and color scheme, as well as the quality the tiles aged at is spectacular in the very least.
It is perhaps one of the most attractive IND designs in the system.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 15:10:51 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Jan 12 12:20:41 2020.

Last time I was through not that long ago, it was all intact. And yes, this IND station held up unbelievably with it's original tile. I don;t know if it was the quality or conditions, but wow, it's always been in great shape.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by Express Rider on Tue Jan 14 16:43:56 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 15:04:41 2020.

I always liked the compound name Broadway-Nassau. Though its name reminded me of the compound names at various Paris Metro stations, there was also something very New York about it - made you think of downtown Manhattan and its weekday bustling of crowds. It was appropriate to make the name change to Fulton St. however, so that the entire complex would have one station name.



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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 14 17:10:49 2020, in response to Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Mitch45 on Sat Jan 11 23:01:15 2020.

Whose changing the names?
I notice google and google maps like to rename things, and for some unknown reason, we're all supposed to step in line with what some tight pantsed engineer says.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 14 17:28:14 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 14:59:19 2020.

In Bay Ridge, years ago 69 St was renamed “Bay Ridge Avenue” and 75 St was renamed “BayRidge Pkwy” but most real Bay Ridgeites refer to those streets as 69 St and 75 St rather than the names. I do recall that when I was a new C/R in 1966, the Bay Ridge Av station had enameled plates on the station columns with the number 69 on them.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 14 17:30:56 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 15:04:41 2020.

When the IND first opened to Bkln, there was an ad card that showed the travel times between uptown and downtown Manhattan and it showed the name “Fulton St” despite the station name being Bway/Nassau.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 14 20:03:17 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 14 17:28:14 2020.

What idiots would name 2 streets six blocks apart with essentially the same name?

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jan 14 20:40:33 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Jan 12 20:09:11 2020.

We have a light rail station in Denver that could easily be renamed Broadway Junction. It's simply called, Broadway, but it's there that five lines (C, D, E, F and H) merge in one direction and diverge in the opposite direction. Originally a two-track station, it was expanded to three tracks when the Southeast Corridor was built.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 14 21:04:35 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 14 20:03:17 2020.

There are a great many idiots in the city who need jobs.

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Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet

Posted by gbs on Wed Jan 15 00:12:44 2020, in response to Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 15:07:19 2020.


I agree. As far as I know it's the only IND station with a mottled background in the large mosaics, with both dark- and light-brown tiles.



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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 00:49:44 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 14 20:03:17 2020.

Not only that but the avenue 2 blocks west of 4 Av which is called 2 Av in Sunset Pk is called Ridge Blvd in Bay Ridge and there are a few small semi private streets in the neighborhood that have the word “Ridge” in the name.

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Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet

Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 15 01:49:43 2020, in response to Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet, posted by gbs on Wed Jan 15 00:12:44 2020.

For some reason the background mosaic tile is more multicolored, reminiscent of the BMT and IRT rather than the usual IND style single color AFAIK, the only IND station like that.

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Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet

Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 15 04:15:25 2020, in response to Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet, posted by gbs on Wed Jan 15 00:12:44 2020.

It really is a very nice piece of artwork.

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Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet

Posted by El-Train on Wed Jan 15 11:29:15 2020, in response to Re: PHOTO: Artwork and name tablet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 14 15:07:19 2020.

It really is the best-preserved of the circa-1930's Queens Blvd. stations.

Meanwhile at the far end of the line, Sutphin/Archer is starting to resemble Chambers St (J/Z).

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jan 15 21:33:13 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 14 21:04:35 2020.

As I often say, the supply of idiots is inexhaustible.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by B1bus on Wed Jan 15 23:09:29 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 14 20:03:17 2020.

Broadway, East Broadway,& West Broadway.

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Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Sun Jan 19 19:54:28 2020, in response to Re: Question About Court Sq- 23rd Street Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jan 13 04:35:28 2020.

Puritan is 75th Road on the FH Gardens side of the LIRR. I saw an old map from ca.1937 when I worked with Cord Meyer that showed it called Puritan on both sides of the LIRR. My recollection is it appeared to dead end at Austin and Burns, without an underpass (like Ascan and Continental have). I lived near there in the late 80s and walked both sides and found no indication that Puritan went through after the railroad was built.

When I lived there, the platform pillar signs had "75 Puritan" and the entrances were "75 Av - Puritan Av."

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