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NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 10:46:45 2020

NorthJersey.com

Murphy signs law requiring NJ Transit to study Raritan Valley 'one-seat ride' to Penn

To get direct one-seat service on the RVL, one NJ Transit line would have to sacrifice its slot as only 23 trains can travel through the rail tunnels connecting NY and NJ per hour.

Colleen Wilson, NorthJersey.com
Published 9:57 a.m. ET Jan. 14, 2020
The Raritan Valley Line's "one-seat ride" into Penn Station New York will be studied by NJ Transit and a report must be issued in July, according to legislation signed by Gov. Phil Murphy on Monday.

Bill No. S3574, which passed both houses of the state Legislature in December, requires the agency to study several items, including:
  • Why the Raritan Valley Line's direct service to Penn Station was suspended;
  • Historical and expected ridership on the line;
  • Actions required to provide full-time, direct service to Penn Station;
  • How long those actions would take;
  • Estimated cost to provide the service;
  • Factors that could delay or increase the cost of adding the service.
For years, the riders' Raritan Valley Line Coalition has advocated for direct service between New Jersey and New York.

RVL customers got a partial victory in 2014 when a one-seat ride was made available during off-peak hours. But this was suspended in September 2018, along with several other trains in other lines, while NJ Transit devoted resources to installing the complex, federally-mandated braking system, positive train control.

In November, the agency restored the Raritan Valley Line's off-peak direct service.

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During peak commuting hours in the morning and afternoon, customers have to switch trains at Newark Penn Station, an issue that can be "physically taxing," according to Bruce Bergen, because riders often have to run up and down stairs to other platforms to make their connection.

"This bill is an important step in finding out what needs to be done, what adjustments have to be made to get the one-seat ride for the Raritan Valley Line. It’s not the end all be all, but it’s a very important first step," said Bergen, president of the Raritan Valley Coalition. "Make it equitable, make it fair, make adjustments so that Raritan Valley has what the others have."

Sen. Nicholas Scutari, a co-sponsor of the bill, said in a statement that because of the Raritan Valley's strong ridership numbers, it's "perplexing" why full service has not been brought back.

“Conducting a feasibility study will provide valuable analysis and projections of costs to restore service, as well as provide NJ Transit with the steps they can take to see this come to fruition. Our region needs this,” Scutari said.

The Raritan Valley Line serves more than 23,000 daily commuters in a corridor where 1 million people live, about the same number of commuters as the North Jersey Coast Line, which has 11 trains in the morning and 13 trains in the afternoon with direct access to Manhattan. The NJCL also services Newark Airport.

To accommodate direct service to and from New York on the line during rush hours, another NJ Transit train line would have to sacrifice its slot, as only 23 trains can travel through the rail tunnels connecting New York and New Jersey per hour.

"We look forward to undertaking this important study giving us the opportunity to identify and maximize our resources to safely move as many customers as we can within the constraints of our existing system," Nancy Snyder, a NJ Transit spokeswoman, said in a statement.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 10:54:45 2020, in response to NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 10:46:45 2020.

The Raritan Valley Line serves more than 23,000 daily commuters in a corridor where 1 million people live, about the same number of commuters as the North Jersey Coast Line, which has 11 trains in the morning and 13 trains in the afternoon with direct access to Manhattan. The NJCL also services Newark Airport.

Why am I not fully convinced that the Raritan Line and the NJCL have the same number of commuters?

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 10:59:36 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 10:54:45 2020.

According to Wikipedia (citing this), in 2012 the NJCL had 24,900 daily riders and the RVL had 21,800.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 14 12:14:41 2020, in response to NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 10:46:45 2020.

How is direct access to Penn provided to RVL, which, IIANM is diesel-only?

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 12:16:07 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 10:59:36 2020.

Amazing. Very different from my gut feel.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by zuckie13 on Tue Jan 14 12:36:42 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 14 12:14:41 2020.

They use the ALP-45DP Dual mode locomotives. Got plenty of them around.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 13:03:22 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by SLRT on Tue Jan 14 12:14:41 2020.

You haven't heard of the ALP-45DP by now? The oldest ones are close to a decade old.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 14 14:28:33 2020, in response to NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 10:46:45 2020.

Grandstanding.

He knows damn well that 2 more tubes will be required between NY & NJ and NJT will need more tracks at NYP for themselves.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 17:33:07 2020, in response to NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 10:46:45 2020.

The majority of RVL passengers do not go to NYPS. The are around 45%.
The local politicians have done NOTHING for 10 tears about restoring service cuts made in 2001.

One-seat rush hour ride won't work. If they do ram rod a train through, a more heavily patronized train off the NEC or NJCL would get booted out. RVL trains are limited to 7 cars. Few platforms are that long and they won't make the hills west of Raritan if some people gravitate toward the one or two such trains if made 8. ALP45DP can't make it to 80MPH in D-mode if over 8 cars.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 17:36:07 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 17:33:07 2020.

cuts made in 2010.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jan 14 17:48:42 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 17:33:07 2020.

Interesting, I wonder if the same applies to commuters on other rail lines in the region without regular service into the city. For an example, do most Waterbury branch passengers not ride all the way into Grand Central? Do most Greenport Branch customers not ride all the way into Penn Station, etc...

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 18:28:49 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 10:59:36 2020.

That's pretty much about even for the most part, actually the fact that it isn't direct can more than a count for the 3000 difference

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 18:50:00 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jan 14 17:48:42 2020.

IDK anything about Connecticut.

LIRR deliberately makes the AM Greenport Scoot connect with a Ronkonkoma train that gives people options other than NYPS.

The Raritan Line has always been a downtown and Newark oriented service. The Raritan Valley Rail Coalition is Westfield and Somerville based politically connected real estate group masquerading as rail advocates. They know nothing at all of the issues involved. They want property values to rise and wooden TOD's to go up, like the one that was set on fire, 7 alarmer, the other day in Bound Brook.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 19:14:07 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 18:50:00 2020.

This is a bit like saying before the best subway reroute in modern history, that M riders used to rather go to Chambers St than go up 6th Ave....

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 19:16:19 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jan 14 17:48:42 2020.

I would not be surprised if Waterbury Branch-GCT commuters are basically nonexistent.

Probably same is true for Greenport east of Riverhead to NYP and the Hamptons to NYP.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 19:22:47 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 19:16:19 2020.

I would not be surprised if Waterbury Branch-GCT commuters are basically nonexistent.

Yeah, looking at the schedule it seems to make much more sense to drive to a station on the New Haven Line where you have plenty of choices, not just one that arrives GCT at 8:07 and the other at 9:13. It's even worse in the evening: leave GCT at 4:42 or 6:53.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 19:26:33 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 19:16:19 2020.

You are correct. But that's basically due to the terrible service, not because it wouldn't be useful. The line is run like it's 1950 there.
I used to live along the Montauk branch considerably east of Ronkonkoma, and would drive to Ronkonkoma (even instead of using the Montauk branch) just because the service was good. I would have instead not driven West to to konkoma, and just up to the mainline, if they had a usable service East of Ronkonkoma.
Now, I actually live along the Ronkonkoma branch East of Ronkonkoma, a tually walking distance to it no less, and still drive to ronkonkoma.
Ronkonkoma isn't the sea of cars and huge ridership because it's such a swi going busy place, but instead because it's the artificial end of commuter service, and good service. People drive from North, Northeast, East, Southeast, and South of Ronkonkoma, just because that's where the good service is and ends.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 19:29:59 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 19:22:47 2020.

Yup. Same bad thing on Ronkonkoma-Greenport branch

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 14 19:56:34 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 19:22:47 2020.

Theres no demand for Waterbury-GCT direct train service. It was tried several years ago & was a miserable flop. They ran 4 trains M/F with one engine & 4 shoreliner coaches. Most trips needed only 2 open coaches. The service lasted only one timetable cycle.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 14 20:05:18 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 14 19:56:34 2020.

I was morning Engineer for final 6 weeks , on average only 5 people from branch went to New York rest only went to Bridgeport and Stamford.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 14 20:07:34 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 14 20:05:18 2020.

the train was geared time wise for Bridgeport and Stamford crowd , it arrived to late in GCT to be useful (around 0900 am)

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 20:07:54 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 19:14:07 2020.

No analogy.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 20:38:25 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 20:07:54 2020.

Why not?

Don't you think that Raritan Valley residents who want to go to Penn probably take a bus or drive to a rail branch that goes to Penn?

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 20:45:43 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 14 19:56:34 2020.

There(’)s no demand for Waterbury-GCT direct train service

There is no demand for such a service running at the wrong time of day, and at low average speeds.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 20:46:45 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 19:26:33 2020.

The line is run like it's 1950 there

Probably more like 1960, when things were degrading.

But there's no comparison between the Waterbury Branch and the RVL.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 20:48:03 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jan 14 17:48:42 2020.

That's not a parallel comparison.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 21:22:10 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 14 19:56:34 2020.

Sure, if this very few trains don't run when needed.
Make the service inconvenient to use, and it won't be

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 14 22:02:40 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jan 14 21:22:10 2020.

There just isn't that much demand for service from those areas to GCT. The Waterbury branch joins the New Haven Line north of Bridgeport. Bridgeport to GCT on a rush-hour express is about 90 minutes and the Waterbury stations are between 15 and 25 miles beyond Bridgeport.

There is demand from those areas to Bridgeport and other stations down the line to Stamford and even Greenwich. The New Haven Line is very different from what you'll encounter on the LIRR or NJT.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 00:34:14 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 14 22:02:40 2020.

Bridgeport to GCT on a rush-hour express is about 90 minutes

An express has an average speed as slow as 37 mph?? Oof.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 00:35:08 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 14 14:28:33 2020.

Expensive grandstanding.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 15 06:14:28 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Charles G on Tue Jan 14 22:02:40 2020.

Derby-Shelton is only 4 miles farther than Bridgeport, but with fat built into the schedule for the connection, it takes an extra 30 minutes in the morning!

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jan 15 08:52:07 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 14 17:33:07 2020.

There is also the whole American obsession with the one seat ride. If headways were frequent and services reliable then transfers wouldn't be a bogeyman that scares away ridership.

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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 10:40:14 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Jan 15 08:52:07 2020.

There is also the whole American obsession with the one seat ride

Buses happen to provide the one-seat ride thanks to the PABT. Rail terminals other than with electric-only trains were excluded from NYC thanks to the city government.

If headways were frequent and services reliable then transfers wouldn't be a bogeyman that scares away ridership

*cough*MidtownDirect*cough*

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 15 11:50:28 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 14 13:03:22 2020.

Maybe the LIRR should get some.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 15 12:06:28 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 15 06:14:28 2020.

Derby-Shelton is 15 miles north of Bridgeport. You may be thinking of Stratford, which is 4 miles north of Bridgeport and technically the first station on the NHL-proper where a Stamford/NYC bound train from Waterbury could stop.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 15 12:07:26 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 10:40:14 2020.

Rail terminals other than with electric-only trains were excluded from NYC thanks to the city government.

FALSE!

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 15 12:09:21 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 10:40:14 2020.

Necessary repost

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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 15 12:17:57 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Charles G on Wed Jan 15 12:06:28 2020.

Ah. D-S is 70 mi from GCT. I read the Bridgeport distance on the schedule as 66 instead of 55. I am relieved.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 16:56:32 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 15 11:50:28 2020.

The ALP45DP is built to Tier 3 standards, and I guess that the LIRR and Metro-North think that modifying it to current EPA standards is unfeasible for the locomotive's frame.

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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 17:05:55 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 19:16:19 2020.

the Hamptons to NYP.

Considering how popular Hampton Jitney is along with those helicopters that travel between the Hamptons and the city it's really shameful how much the LIRR has continually dropped the ball with the Montauk Branch. I can't imagine too many jobs in Mineola or Hauppauge pay the money that's required to purchase and maintain a multi-million dollar Hamptons mansion.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jan 15 17:20:33 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Jan 14 20:07:34 2020.

Well there it is. If people really drive all the way from Massachusetts to commute on the Harlem line and there are popular commuter buses that carry people into the city all the way from Pennsylvania, then there has to be demand for commuter service into the city from the largely working class Naugatuck Valley.

Jobs are scarce as they are in the Naugatuck Valley, so why make it difficult for its residents to get to where the jobs actually are?

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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 17:28:20 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 20:38:25 2020.

No. I live here and I know the market and area far better than you.

Bus competition (113, 144) is poor and slow. It is nothing like Bergen County.

The Gladstone Branch is slower and has only 2 direct trains.
The NEC is not easy to get to given what I-287, US-206, the GSP, and Easton Avenue are like. Furthermore, daily parking at New Brunswick is $22.

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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 17:46:15 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 10:40:14 2020.

Yes, but it can take them an hour from Secaucus to PABT if traffic is bad or the XBL is in not in effect. The train takes 10 minutes for the distance. If they had the option of getting off the bus and grabbing a train rather than sitting in traffic, they would do it. Trip time trumps one-seat ride.

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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 17:48:14 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by SLRT on Wed Jan 15 11:50:28 2020.

They stop to cut over between diesel and AC electric. That would not be acceptable at Harold interlocking. I am not even sure if locked down pantographs would clear the Jamaica Station canopies.

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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 17:49:19 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 00:35:08 2020.

Nothing will come of it. They will not boot out from NYPS a busier NEC or NJCL train to do it.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jan 15 18:10:36 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 14 19:16:19 2020.

The North fork, while not the Hamptons, has become much more affluent in last decades. That with huge tourism, wineries, etc, it's amazing the train line is still run like 1953.

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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jan 15 18:13:21 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 20:38:25 2020.

I wouldn't think bus, but drive for sure

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jan 15 18:14:31 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 17:28:20 2020.

Coming from you it doesn't mean much, after all, you still think instant coffee is a "modern luxury"

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 15 18:25:48 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jan 15 18:14:31 2020.

Stupid response.

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Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 15 19:08:54 2020, in response to Re: NJ governor signs law requiring NJT to conduct feasibility study for RVL one-seat ride to NYP, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 14 20:38:25 2020.

NJT's bus route 113 runs parallel to the RVL and goes directly to the PABT. They cut the service over the years, and when they created the 113 by merging the old 143 and 222, they cut the service clean in half.

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