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London Underground introduces First Class carriages |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019 The Tube |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Dec 9 14:51:51 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. Here |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 9 19:30:16 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. The owner of the Brooklyn Bridge has an annual pass. |
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Posted by The silence on Mon Dec 9 21:02:44 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. I guess no one in their office knows how to use photoshop. You could squeeze at tube stock car inside that space. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 9 22:27:34 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. Apparently April 1 now falls in December on the British calendar. An unexpected consequence of Brexit, now doubt.Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 9 22:30:10 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Alan Follett on Mon Dec 9 22:27:34 2019. Er, no doubt.Alan Follett |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 10 13:03:24 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. The smell of Onions is too strong to ride in it. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Dec 10 14:32:34 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by SLRT on Tue Dec 10 13:03:24 2019. LOL!! |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Dec 10 16:17:09 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. Oh good. We can get victimized by stabbings and hate crimes in class now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 10 20:12:55 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. There actually were first-class cars on the Underground at one time. Jubilee cars on the Metropolitan Line. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Wed Dec 11 23:39:31 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 10 20:12:55 2019. The Paris Metro had a two-class system until 1991. In the 1980's, I didn't see much difference in the physical equipment between first and second, though.Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Posted by davesgcr on Thu Dec 12 05:38:13 2019, in response to London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Dave on Mon Dec 9 13:35:13 2019. The Metropolitan Railway had 2 Pullman cars (Mayflower and Galatea) in service to 1941 , used on selected "business" and "theatre" trains from the far reaches of the line - Verney Junction / Aylesbury / Chesham - to Liverpool St The cars ran until WW2 gave the perfect opportunity to withdraw them. There was a supplement to use them and whilst they were a prestige symbol , usage was such that they supposedly never turned a profit. The idea of a cooked breakfast on the Circle line section appears like a mirage with today's loadings.The District line built a fleet of electric trains - with first class sections from the turn of the 20thC - ideal for the affluent Western suburbs , less so for the Eastern section of places like East Ham and Barking. The interors were quite plus , and of course had smoking and non smoking sections. Generally - all inner London suburban services lost 1st class travel opportunities in 1941 for obvious reasons. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Dec 12 08:54:26 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by davesgcr on Thu Dec 12 05:38:13 2019. how long were the morning commute runs, from Chesham or Aylesbury, to Baker St.? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Dec 12 09:02:39 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Alan Follett on Wed Dec 11 23:39:31 2019. I rode the Sprague cars during the summer of 1968. I only remember the 1st class cars on "my line" - line 12, since I always rode 2nd class on any of the others. These Sprague cars dated, I think, from 1912 when the line opened.2nd class on line 12, had wooden (polished) seats. First class had deep cushioned seats. These were somewhat stiff when you sat down on them, probably from being so old. I remember taking quick looks inside the 1st class cars on line 4 and line 13 - both had postwar rolling stock. Not much difference from 2nd class, except for the cushioned seats. IIRC, since this was 51 (?!!) years ago. |
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Posted by davesgcr on Thu Dec 12 12:10:56 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Express Rider on Thu Dec 12 08:54:26 2019. From Aylesbury to the city would have been over an hour - not much different today - (and they go no further than Marylebone today) - in the days of the Pullmans , you would have had a steam to electric loco change enroute ! (to be fair carried out in about 4 mins) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Dec 12 12:57:43 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by davesgcr on Thu Dec 12 12:10:56 2019. Thank you for this info.I found the LURS booklet on abebooks.com about the routes beyond Aylesbury out to Verney Junction and Brill. Facinating history. |
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Posted by davesgcr on Fri Dec 13 03:38:59 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by Express Rider on Thu Dec 12 12:57:43 2019. The ultimate book on the Pullmans is by Alan A Jackson - "London's Metropolitan Railway" - a work of very great research but superbly readable. Highly commended as a business and social history. Look it up. The Met line has a very special place in London's railway history. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Dec 13 23:06:04 2019, in response to Re: London Underground introduces First Class carriages, posted by davesgcr on Fri Dec 13 03:38:59 2019. Thank you. I think I actually have that; found it at a bookseller on eastern L.I. called "Wooden Soldier Books." I put it on my "to read" pile, and then it got packed away with other books into my storage unit when I needed to move. |
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