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[PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019 Four car test train at Kings Highway on the Brighton Line.  Assigned to the (A) line at 207th St. with original rollsigns.  A mainstay on the (B) line entering Bay Parkway station with blue storm door. (September 1978)  Serving as south motors on a mix of R-40A's and R-32's at West 8th St station. This shot was always a favorite of mine. But why the backup to West 8th St, was this in the days of the (NX) ?  (F) switching to middle track at Ditmas Ave. Not sure if this is an (F) Express or reroute.  R-38's made it to the Eastern Division on the (M) line.(August 1979)  Had to do some Photoshop work on this underexposed image. On the Willamsburg Bridge in the old configuration. Twin Towers are Honorable mention. (March 1979)  (N) layup on the (B) Line at Bay 50th St. station. (July 1979)  Original route and destination roll signs ! (July 1979)  I heard at the NY Div. ERA that R-38's were running on the (RR). I don't how long I was waiting for this R-38 (RR) train at Queensboro Plaza station. It was bitter cold and when I stepped aboard to ride, it was even colder inside ! (Janaury 1979)  Photographed at the Astoria Line's station at 39th-Beebe Ave station, this tower was removed years ago. It looks like someone is manning the tower. (January 1979)  At the Sea Beach line, waiting to enter Coney Island yard for layup after the AM rush hour. (October 1979)  We're ending this post at Dean St on the Franklin Ave shuttle with an R-38 and R-11 unusual lashup. (March 24, 1973)  Thanks for viewing and all positive comments ! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 4 08:16:40 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. Excellent!!! Thank you. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Dec 4 08:38:12 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by MainR3664 on Wed Dec 4 08:16:40 2019. iawtp!!Thank you as well! Great photos! |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Dec 4 09:51:31 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. I already see rust on the roofs of the R38s. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 09:57:51 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by SUBWAYMAN on Wed Dec 4 09:51:31 2019. I already see rust on the roofs of the R38s.Probably the original paint job showing signs of age. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 4 10:06:23 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. I love these photos! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 4 10:15:58 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. Very nice pre GOH R38 library! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 4 10:16:56 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. Thanks for sharing these! The R-38's sure did look good in their original configuration, though by 1979, rust was already becoming a problem. :-S |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Dec 4 10:39:14 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. I'd say that . . .. . . would have been around 1969 when they were starting out with the "borgaschmord" combos of trains that would be most prevalent on the IRT "A" Division through the mid-1980's when the cars from R-12 to R-22 were being retired left, right, sideways and diagonally. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 10:45:41 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 10:52:16 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by W.B. on Wed Dec 4 10:39:14 2019. I'd say that would have been around 1969 when they were starting out with the "borgaschmord" combos of trains that would be most prevalent on the IRT "A" Division through the mid-1980's when the cars from R-12 to R-22 were being retired left, right, sideways and diagonally.Thanks, but why the backup to West 8th St ? I never saw anything like that before. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 10:53:22 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Dec 4 10:45:41 2019. AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks, railfan windows for Salaam and everyone else ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 4 12:12:37 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. I remember the R38on the N line. Coney Island yard did whatever needed to make service. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 4 12:33:07 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 10:52:16 2019. That was when we got permission to key into W.8th so we wouldn't be stuck in between stations due to congestion at Stillwell. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 4 12:34:13 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by W.B. on Wed Dec 4 10:39:14 2019. You have to remember that back then,there was still a whole fleet of older R units still around.While the newer cars were busy tossing them out the door, Coney Island still had to use whatever works to meet service requirements. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Dec 4 13:34:40 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. they were pretty. nice pix. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 4 14:53:33 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. Great pictures of the best looking car that ever ran in the system, IMO of course! |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 4 17:36:51 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 10:52:16 2019. They may have been early AM put ins. At that time trains were laid up on the exp tks overnight between K/Hy and Brighton Bch. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 4 17:42:37 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. I don't recall the blue storm door |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Dec 4 19:29:58 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by W.B. on Wed Dec 4 10:39:14 2019. That sounds right. They were still running solid trains when the NX was around. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Dec 4 19:31:45 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. The first time I saw them was at 42nd St. on June 27, 1968, as a rush hour Ethel train. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Dec 4 21:13:13 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. Great pics!Too bad there was no video, would love to hear those Darth Vader brakes . :) Re: the 4th pic, looking at the track map, I would say that was a scheduled F express. It is transitioning from the southbound express track (IND) to the single middle track (BMT). In order to do this, it would have had to been on the express track south of Jay Street, as there is no interaction between the express and local tracks after that point. And the destination is Coney Island which is where all the express Fs terminated (locals terminated at Kings Highway). |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Dec 4 22:24:47 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. EXCELLENT PHOTOSGOOD RAIL FAN WINDOW EQUIPPED RAILCAR |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 4 22:38:14 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by randyo on Wed Dec 4 17:36:51 2019. That's what it looks like to me,,,WE-44 |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 4 22:58:47 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. I always loved the R38S,,they were real modern day SMEEs.Built By St. Louis Car Co. Slide Cab Windows Pneumatic Wipers Cab Seat with Foot Rest Push button horn Modern "drum switches" Factory Installed Two Way Radio System Amplified PA System-Speakers mounted in the ceiling Modern M/M console ME43 Brake Valve/E1(WABCO) Belt less D3 Air Compressors(WABCO) Passenger Load Sensors Last 10 Cars Air Conditioned Overhauled by General Electric |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 23:42:28 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Dec 4 21:13:13 2019. Re: the 4th pic, looking at the track map, I would say that was a scheduled F express. It is transitioning from the southbound express track (IND) to the single middle track (BMT). In order to do this, it would have had to been on the express track south of Jay Street, as there is no interaction between the express and local tracks after that point. And the destination is Coney Island which is where all the express Fs terminated (locals terminated at Kings Highway).Thanks, I forgot where the (F) expresses and locals terminated. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 23:44:47 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 4 22:58:47 2019. Just one note, in the years before GOH, the R-38's were hot as hell in the summer. I believe the R27/30's and R-32's were a bit cooler inside.Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 4 23:53:29 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 23:44:47 2019. Yes it may have felt that way but the R27/30s had the drop down window sashes which allowed more air inside the car and both R32s/27s/30s had the older style fan grills which blew the air downward. Some R32s also had the newer style fan grills (3800-3949).WE-44 |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 5 00:04:27 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 4 22:58:47 2019. That's a great post. I always felt I was in the minority admiring them. Big fan wish they were still around. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 5 00:13:29 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 4 14:53:33 2019. Good post |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 5 07:17:38 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 5 00:04:27 2019. Strictly as a passenger, with no professional experience, I thought they were the best looking cars that have ever run on the system. None before or since were as attractive. With the fluting only going up half the car side, they looked like bigger (I know they weren't), classier R32s. The fact that there were relatively few of them added to thy mystique for me.I know that folks with operating experience have posted on here they didn't like them; I respect that. I'm speaking purely as a passenger, who loved 'em. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 5 07:22:41 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Dec 4 14:53:33 2019. I share that opinion! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 07:39:41 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 4 23:53:29 2019. In the mid 1960s there were 4 R32s that were parked at 35 the St/6 Av. Each car had a different fan grill. The public was asked to walk through the 4 cars and then cast a paper ballot for the fan grill they felt did you he best job. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Dec 5 09:43:25 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Dec 4 08:05:42 2019. Terrific pictures!!--Mark |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 5 12:44:48 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 4 17:42:37 2019. Some had them, some did not. Bay 50th St (July 1978)  62nd St - New Utrecht Ave. (July 1978) 
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 5 13:30:25 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 4 10:16:56 2019. I rode a brand new train of R-38 on the "F" train from 169th/Hillside. No overhead ads yet and I could still smell the interior paint! |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 5 15:47:36 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 5 07:17:38 2019. Well put. I don't I really liked them when I first started riding them in the 90s but I came around to basically totally agree with you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 16:05:09 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Dec 5 12:44:48 2019. Thank you. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:26:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Westcode44 on Wed Dec 4 22:58:47 2019. The brake system on the R-38s through 42s were technically not SMEEs since WABCO’s name for that type of brake system is RT-2 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 22:26:54 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:26:08 2019. It was more than a technicality. There were actual differences in how they operated. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 5 22:38:22 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 07:39:41 2019. These cars were positioned on the New York Central tracks in GCT at that time also. They stored them in the Mott Haven yards. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 5 22:42:13 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 5 07:17:38 2019. Loved these from the time I saw St Louis' artist rendering. That showed the R38 to have an even more rounded end, and smaller stylized pantograph gates and recessed headlights. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Thu Dec 5 23:01:46 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by randyo on Thu Dec 5 17:26:08 2019. Yes thank you and the R44s were RT-5CWE-44 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:47:21 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Train Dude on Thu Dec 5 22:26:54 2019. Correct but the 2 systems were compatible with each other. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:48:25 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Westcode44 on Thu Dec 5 23:01:46 2019. That’s why I only mentioned cars up to the R-42s. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 01:06:54 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by r17-6599 on Thu Dec 5 22:42:13 2019. FYI, I have seen somewhere an artist’s rendering of a LAHT R-38 with a similar rounded end since apparently, the TA was considering departing from stainless steel and returning to LAHT which fortunately didn’t happen. The paint scheme was almost identical to that of the R-36 W/Fs but the blue would have been more aqua and less turquoise. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Dec 6 01:34:05 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 01:06:54 2019. Seen that. Quite interesting.R17 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 09:30:50 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 01:06:54 2019. I saw that rendering on a subway calendar. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 09:31:27 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by randyo on Fri Dec 6 00:47:21 2019. Yes they were. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Dec 6 13:20:52 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-38's (Pre-General Overhaul), posted by Train Dude on Fri Dec 6 09:30:50 2019.  
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