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Banning autos from Market St. San Fran. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 16 08:02:23 2019 Banning autos |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Wed Oct 16 13:21:51 2019, in response to Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 16 08:02:23 2019. Excellent idea. I was in San Francisco just after Labor Day and stayed in a hotel on Market at 8th Street. I was absolutely stunned by the bicycle caravan on the separate lane in rush hour. It reminded me of Peking before it succumbed to auto congestion and its toxic result. |
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Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 16 13:25:44 2019, in response to Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by George Foelschow on Wed Oct 16 13:21:51 2019. I agree. |
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Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 16 13:39:11 2019, in response to Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Oct 16 08:02:23 2019. Autos were banned on State St. Chicago starting in 1979. It was a flop and reopened to auto traffic in 1996. |
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Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 16 14:19:45 2019, in response to Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 16 13:39:11 2019. different city, different era. Bicycle use in SF today is much greater than it was in Chicago back then. Not much snow to contend with. |
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Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 16 14:31:45 2019, in response to Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by George Foelschow on Wed Oct 16 13:21:51 2019. Bad idea. |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Wed Oct 16 15:00:31 2019, in response to Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by Olog-hai on Wed Oct 16 14:31:45 2019. I'll be curious to see how it plays out. Presumably they won't be doing anything irreversible, in the event it doesn't work. I'm a bit cynical about the prospects, since I was living in downtown Chicago when nine blocks of State Street were converted to a pedestrian and transit (and later taxi) mall in 1979. They converted it back to a full-service street after 17 years--but in the meantime we had lost five department stores and other retail along that stretch of State, blamed at least partly on reduced auto accessibility.Alan Follett South San Francisco, CA |
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Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Oct 16 15:31:53 2019, in response to Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 16 14:19:45 2019. Good point. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Oct 16 16:53:23 2019, in response to Re: Banning autos from Market St. San Fran., posted by Alan Follett on Wed Oct 16 15:00:31 2019. As one who shopped ar Carson's and Field's when I lived there--always by transit, I doubt seriously that five department stores died on account of lack of auto access. I worked in the mid 60s at Kroch's which at the time was the largest single account for most of the trade publising houses (and had very nice back door advantages), but totally disappeared courtesy of the discount books business in the 80s/90s. Old line departent stores in CBDs withered as money and thus sales moved to the edge cities. Anyone been to Gimbels recently? A&S?Entire national department store chains have died--despite presence at malls. |
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