Home · Maps · About

Home > SubChat

[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]

[1 2]

< Previous Page  

Page 2 of 2

 

(1526773)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by kp5308 on Sat Oct 12 17:52:26 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Oct 12 14:57:25 2019.

Each "unit" of the DD1 pair carries a different road number. The 2 at Strasburg are 3937 & 3936. Any Pennsy fans know why?

Post a New Response

(1526778)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by Bill West on Sat Oct 12 20:52:22 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by kp5308 on Sat Oct 12 17:52:26 2019.

According to Fred Westing the two pilot pairs were built as 3998 and 3999 but renumbered to 3996-3997 and 3998-3999. The production units were given individual numbers as built but they then received the locally convenient 2 digit electric zone number per pair even though the number conflicted with steamers. Westinghouse demonstrator no. 10003 was a single unit and the DD1 halves were interchangeable so that may have set the pace. Very few 2 unit locomotives of any type existed at this time so the best numbering method would not have been well learned. 3936 & 3937, serial 2244-2 and 2244-1 were #36 in the NYP electric zone.

As two halves of a locomotive they were nearly identical. The only differences I've found are that the power circuit runs in series between the motor in each half during starting and then runs separately when the speed reaches parallel notch. If one half is cutout the other can still run however, it will just accelerate differently. At the shop you could exchange halves fairly quickly, after the obvious drawbar, hoses and cables there a few power jumpers to move on the contactors and some wires to swap in the motor cutout box because they determine whose motor is at the line end and whose is at the ground end in series mode. I don't recollect the halves ever being exchanged however. Even the brakes were not MU'd, each half had its own distributing valve and the independent brake handle was only connected to its own half. The main reservoir hose did run between halves and could MU to the next loco.

Bill

Post a New Response

(1526785)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Oct 13 07:53:00 2019, in response to GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Oct 7 20:17:57 2019.

Everything and everyone goes back to nature eventually.

"Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky,
It slips away,
And all your money, won't another minute buy"

Kansas, "Dust in the Wind"

Post a New Response

(Sponsored)

iPhone 6 (4.7 Inch) Premium PU Leather Wallet Case - Red w/ Floral Interior - by Notch-It

(1526801)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Oct 13 14:19:16 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Oct 13 07:53:00 2019.

That was shown in the documentary Life After People.

Post a New Response

(1526810)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 13 16:06:35 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by kp5308 on Fri Oct 11 18:05:03 2019.

The statement was that it would be surprising that any volunteers would be allowed in a structure that size due to insurance regulations. If that were the only limitation, then volunteers would probably not be allowed in any sort of environment.

Post a New Response

(1526814)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by Asgard on Sun Oct 13 16:20:48 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 13 16:06:35 2019.

Actually, it was about volunteers *building* structures.

Post a New Response

(1526823)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by randyo on Sun Oct 13 17:56:05 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by Asgard on Sun Oct 13 16:20:48 2019.

You’re right. I checked, but I wonder how railway museums like Seashore or Shore Line handled the construction of their car storage facilities. On the other hand, there are groups of volunteers who build some buildings for Church and other non profits so there must be some means of handling it.

Post a New Response

(1526828)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Oct 13 19:28:39 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Oct 13 07:53:00 2019.

In this case, rust in the wind!:)

Post a New Response

(1526835)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by Bill West on Sun Oct 13 20:23:55 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by randyo on Sun Oct 13 17:56:05 2019.

Perhaps the deal is that OSHA would want qualified steelworkers to be trying to erect something of that size, not some well-intentioned buddies with a rented backhoe. Ditto the building inspector would want licensed plumbers and electricians. There was a notice in our local building department that any amateur failing an electrical inspection would not get any more inspections/approvals until he brought a pro in. A volunteer group could still pull this off but pros would be needed in their ranks. Not running afoul of workers insurance is an issue. So is getting someone to insure against public liability. Lastly, town planning commissions don't like projects that stall half complete for years, they would be reluctant to approve something that counted on enough volunteer man-hours.

Bill

Post a New Response

(1526848)

view threaded

Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature

Posted by kp5308 on Mon Oct 14 00:22:08 2019, in response to Re: GG1 Sadly going back to Nature, posted by Bill West on Sat Oct 12 20:52:22 2019.

Thanks Bill. I thought that the "pair" were dependent on each other. SEPTA MU bride & groom sets have only one braking system, hence they can NEVER run separately but still carry 2 road numbers.

I would also like to comment on your construction reply: No work on any equipment will be allowed inside our new building. It will be insured as a "storage garage" and the building permit that will be issued by the Borough will state this clearly. We expect at least one visit by the friendly neighborhood Codes Inspector. RCT&HS is the General Contractor for the project with the various firms necessary to complete the structure listed as sub-contactors. ALL the subs must be licensed, insured & registered with the Borough, complete with documentation on-site for review upon demand. I don't think it is legally possible (in this case) for members to volunteer for construction duty.



Post a New Response

[1 2]

< Previous Page  

Page 2 of 2

 

[ Return to the Message Index ]