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WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019

It was reported that a Southbound "F" train derailed near the Briarwood station, forcing the passengers (AKA customers) to be evacuated. NY1 News reported this as a partial derailment - a term I'm not familiar with. What is a partial derailment? Either the train is derailed or it's not.

In other news Congressman Jerry Nonads Nadler is calling for an impeachment investigation into Andy Byford over this impartial derailment. Check your local news sources

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 22 19:55:22 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

In other news Congressman Jerry Nonads Nadler is calling for an impeachment investigation into Andy Byford over this impartial derailment. Check your local news sources

Byford's having a bad hair day ? lol

Bill Newkirk


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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 22 20:07:37 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

If I guess that it's non-legit railroad terminology, would I be right?

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 22 20:12:10 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

its kind of like a partial pregnancy :-)


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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 20:55:38 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 22 20:07:37 2019.

I don't know. The way I learned it, either the train was derailed or it wasn't.

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 20:55:55 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Sep 22 20:12:10 2019.

Exactly

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Sep 22 21:06:16 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 20:55:55 2019.

8

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Sep 22 21:41:13 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

Dumb but not new. This piece is dated 1895.



The MTA used that term in a post from an official social media account, too.

I guess they figure it's partial if the entire train or an entire car doesn't come off the tracks? It is possible to partially dislocate (subluxate) a joint like a shoulder or elbow.

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 22:31:19 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Sep 22 21:41:13 2019.

It's possible for one wheel of an axle set to derail if the rail rolls or breaks but officially if one wheel leaves the rail, it is called a derailment. I agree with you that the media and even some MTA Public Relations folks do not properly understand the term but no operating person would ever use the term and officially there is no partial derailment.

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Alan Follett on Sun Sep 22 23:35:14 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 22:31:19 2019.

I suspect that the author, presumably not a railroader, meant that one truck of a car left the rails, or maybe that some but not all cars went off.

Alan Follett
South San Francisco, CA

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 23 02:52:40 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

When I worked the Communication Desk in the Command Center, we were instructed when speaking to the media to be as evasive as possible when it came to derailments, so the term “partial derailment” would convey a less severe image that just “derailment" which might conjure up images of a multi car mainline RR train’s cars scattered over half the countryside.

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Sep 23 08:09:52 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 23 02:52:40 2019.

This is correct.

They just did not want to admit that the train fell off of the bridge and is now at the bottom of the river.

It was a partial derailment.

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 23 09:52:31 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 20:55:38 2019.

Partial derailment while the conductor was driving the train?
>GR&D<

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Sep 23 10:01:54 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 23 09:52:31 2019.

+14

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Sep 23 11:53:41 2019, in response to Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 23 09:52:31 2019.

Good one Lou

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Sep 23 12:07:21 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

It's when a train, like, totally almost derails.

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 24 10:02:02 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

All public relations nonsense so as to get the public, getting their news from the media, not to congure up fear.

I wonder what a "derailment" is vs. a "minor derailment" in the eyes of NYCT and their latest PR mouth Tim Minton. All wheels of a truck? Both trucks? The car has to hit a pole or a wall when it derails?

Minton worked for Ch. 7 EWN at one time and looked like a nerd afraid of his own shadow while reporting a story!

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Re: WTF Is a Partial Derailment?

Posted by Strike_Mark on Tue Sep 24 21:22:29 2019, in response to WTF Is a Partial Derailment?, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 22 19:48:49 2019.

I’d guess they mean that since only one axel came off the rails, the rail car didn’t fully derail (all 8 wheels on the ground). It plays better on the 11 o’clock news, though anyone who’s worked on the railroad knows better.

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