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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 10 08:23:59 2019 Tuscarora Almanac - September 10, 1932 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Independent Subway System The Independent Subway begins operation of IND 8th Avenue Line between 207th Street and Chambers Street / Hudson Terminal. New stations are opened at 207th Street, Dyckman Street (200th Street), 190th Street, 181st Street, 175th Street, 168th Street-Broadway, 163rd Street-Amsterdam Avenue, 155th Street, 145th Street (UL), 135th Street, 125th Street, 116th Street, 110th Street (Cathedral Parkway), 103rd Street , 96th Street, 86th Street, 81st Street, 72nd Street, 59th Street, 50th Street (UL), 42nd Street (UL), 34th Street, 23rd Street, 14th Street, West 4th Street (UL), Spring Street, Canal Street-Holland Tunnel and Chambers Street / Hudson Terminal. UL - Upper Level The stations at 103rd Street through 72nd Street are on two levels. Northbound trains are on the upper level while southbound trains use the lower level. The station at Chambers Street / Hudson Terminal has two platforms. The two track island platform which will be used by the through trains to Brooklyn is known as "Chambers Street". The two track island platform with bumpers at the south end is known as "Hudson Terminal" (today's World Trade Center). Source: “New York Subway, Fifty Years of Millions”, (Electric Railroads No. 23 / October 1954) by Mr. Herman Rinke Ed. Note: In commemoration of the 75th Anniversary on the opening of the Eighth Avenue Subway the TA ran an “A” train from 168th Street to Chambers Street on September 10, 2007. The consist was 100-484-1575-381-401-1802. Tuscarora Almanac - September 10-11, 1977 - The Book of Last Runs Jamaica, New York New York City Transit Authority – BMT Division This will be the last night of service on the section of the BMT Jamaica Line between 168 Street and Queens Boulevard. The last northbound "J" train arrived at 168 Street at 11:59 PM. The consist was (n) R-27 8028-9 and R-30 8528-9. The last southbound "J" train departed at 12:00 Midnight with (s) R-27 8241-0 and 8115-4. The stations at 168 Street, 160 Street and Sutphin Boulevard were closed. A new temporary terminal was established at Queens Boulevard. Free transfers are issued at Queens Boulevard to and from the Q-49 Jamaica Avenue Limited bus route. Source: New York Division Bulletin / September 1977 < Tuscarora Almanac – September 10, 1990 – The Book of First Runs Dutchess County, New York Metro-North Railroad Metro-North opens the Appalachian Trail stop on the Harlem Line. It is located at MP 65.9 between Pawling and Harlem Valley-Wingdale stations. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 2009, article by Mr. Larry Kiss Tuscarora Almanac – September 10, 1995 – The Book of Last Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division Dean Street station on the BMT Franklin Avenue Line is closed. Source: ERA New York Division Bulletin / July 2003 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 09:19:55 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 10 08:23:59 2019. These original IND stations had two different variations of the pre-lettered and -numbered tiles (white type on black print). 110th, 103rd, 96th, 86th, 81st, 72nd, 59th, 50th, 42nd, 34th, 23rd and 14th Streets (11 stations in total) had a variant where there was an embossed outline of the numbers and arrows, one seen on only one later-to-open station (a small part of the 205th Street terminus of the Concourse line) plus a lettered version at the westernmost end of the eastbound platform of the Queens Plaza station facing towards the local track (since taken out after the station was remodeled).The rest have a variant thereof which would later feature in several other stations which would open up to 1939: 207th, Dyckman-200th, 190th, 181st, 175th, 168th, 163rd, 155th, 145th, 135th, 125th, 116th, West 4th, Spring, Canal and Chambers Streets (the last with 'H AND M' on the walls of both A and today's E platforms) (16 stations in total). Spring Street station had a different shape of arrows pointing to a station exit than the other local stations north of 116th, though the letters and numbers were of the same piece. As well, three BMT stations that opened in 1931 bore this same type that would be characterized by Forgotten New York as "machine age" station design: Fulton and Broad Streets of the Centre / Nassau loop, and the Eighth Avenue terminus of the 14th Street-Canarsie line (all, sadly, since remodeled "BMT style"). The oldest sections built - two in particular (the first area built, Sections 3, 3A and 4, 1.53 miles between 141st-142nd Streets at St. Nicholas Avenue and 111th-112th Streets at Eighth Avenue; plus Sections 1 and 1A, 1.05 miles between 88th-89th Streets and 68th-69th Streets at Central Park West) - would be the last built with the "diagonal bracing" towards the roof as seen on many a structural steel section built since the building of the city's first subway which opened in 1904. It was also the last where, primarily, the "old" style of using American Standard 'I' beams were used for the roofs and sidewalls, and four uneven-angle sections riveted to web plates for both steel bents separating each track and platform columns. As time went on and more routes of the IND were built, there would be a switch to the newer Carnegie Steel 'CB' sections of wide flange weights and sizes. (All info on the sections from Engineering News-Record, June 24, 1926.) One of the remodeled sections of the 14th Street station reveal the 15 lb. 'I' section roof beams to have been made by Pencoyd Iron Works (stenciled 'PENCOYD USA'); plates would have come from Carnegie Steel. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 10 11:11:07 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 10 08:23:59 2019. In reply to..."Ed. Note: In commemoration of the 75th Anniversary on the opening of the Eighth Avenue Subway the TA ran an “A” train from 168th Street to Chambers Street on September 10, 2007. The consist was 100-484-1575-381-401-1802." IIRC, I was on the uptown run on the full route riding inside car #1575. The train in passenger service went all the way back to 207th Street. -William A. Padron ["Happy 87th, IND!"] |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Sep 10 12:30:15 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 10 11:11:07 2019. William: I took a long lunch hour that day and rode the southbound run from 168th Street to 42nd Street. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 15:33:45 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 09:19:55 2019. Thanks for this very interesting information. I for one didn't know that any IND construction features diagonal roof bracing. I thought that was a characteristic of only the (older) IRT and BMT. Growing up along the Queens Blvd line, I never saw diagonals at the roof anywhere, and everything about the IND seemed more modern than the older divisions. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 10 18:55:18 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by gbs on Tue Sep 10 15:33:45 2019. I noticed that a long time ago.They must have refined construction methods even more by the time the Concourse, I Love Lucy (Queens) and Abbott and Costello (Fulton St.) lines were built. Most of the local stops had heavier I-beams spaced 15 feet apart, giving them the look and feel of express stops. 75th Ave. (and possibly Sutphin Blvd. and 169th St.) has I-beams five feet apart along its entire length, with every third I-beam being larger. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 10 18:56:28 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Sep 10 11:11:07 2019. How did it do along CPW? |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 20:03:12 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 10 18:55:18 2019. It wasn't simply the construction methods that were refined. They started using 'WF' steel beams, generally from Carnegie, with a good number of 'H' columns instead of four 'L's riveted to a web plate. Many of those sections that opened between 1936 and 1948 (up to the Euclid Avenue of what you refer to as Abbott & Costello) used what was called 'CB 61' by Carnegie and 'B6a' by Bethlehem Steel, but from what I could tell Carnegie's CB 61's were used in the construction of the newer IND sections (six weights, 40 to 88 lbs.) As well as H3 and H3a sections. (The AISC website has a section devoted to old lists of steel sections from many of the steel companies of old.) It may've been, the I beams you mention, either an H3a beam and a heavier CB 61 every third, or a 40 lb. CB 61 and every third being an 88 lb. or something. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 11 08:47:37 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 10 18:56:28 2019. The train was running OK with no problems. Pretty good fast run throughout.-William A. Padron ["125"] |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 11 14:58:08 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 20:03:12 2019. Squared ? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 11 18:25:39 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by W.B. on Tue Sep 10 20:03:12 2019. What sort of I-beams are used on the 4th Ave. line? Specifically at 45th and 53rd Sts. They look bigger than most of the ones on the IND even though they're five feet apart. Obviously, the 4th Ave. line predates the IND by more than a decade. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 11 18:26:25 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Sep 11 08:47:37 2019. I have a youtube clip of that train leaving 145th St. n/b |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Sep 11 19:42:11 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Sep 11 18:25:39 2019. From 45th Street on south, the Fourth Avenue line appears to have been built with structural steel as opposed to the reinforced concrete from 36th Street on north. I measured (from the upper mezzanine) the separation of the tracks at 45th, and it was the minimum (for BMT/IND clearances) 13' 6" rather than 14' as on most of the Fourth Avenue line. The 15' height from the base of rail, however, held right up to the end at 95th Street.It did seem how the columns were put together on the structural steel sections differed from the rest of the system. However, the same types of steel sections - American Standard 'S' shape 'I' beams for the sidewalls and roofs - would have been used. I'll have to check as to the columns separating each track. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 12 00:27:02 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by W.B. on Wed Sep 11 19:42:11 2019. I personally find the 4th Ave. line to be fascinating. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Sep 12 23:28:27 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for September 10, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Sep 12 00:27:02 2019. The high ceilings and concrete-encased diagonal bracing are quite distinct. Much of the IND platform and station design was clearly a refinement on it, especially south of 36th St. |
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