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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019 I asked this question on BusChat, but nobody seems to know the answer. Until 1918, there may have been a Third Ave streetcar route that ran in Manhattan & Bronx. Does anyone have any information about where it ran from, along 3rd Ave. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 23 13:35:44 2019, in response to 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019. I think its southern end was on Park Row, immediately adjacent to the old Post Office (a bunch o'buses still end at that very spot). I'm not sure if the northern end was at 129th Street or in the Bronx. I will check Frederick Kramer's book when I get home. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:58:00 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 23 13:35:44 2019. Thanks for your efforts! I cannot find anything about this route! |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 23 14:07:45 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:58:00 2019. follow up with me if I forget...got a lot going on this weekend |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 23 14:37:35 2019, in response to 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019. Mike:Are you talking about the Willis Avenue line. It ran along 3rd Avenue in the Bronx and 125th Street in Manhattan. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 15:15:43 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 23 14:37:35 2019. No, Larry, I wanted info on the one that ran on Third Ave in Manhattan and Brooklyn. I believe that TARS ran it for 18 years, after it acquired the Union Railway in 1900. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 15:16:30 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 15:15:43 2019. Make that 3rd Ave in Manhattan and the Bronx! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 15:19:16 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 23 14:07:45 2019. Okay! As I told Larry, it may have run on 3rd Ave in the Bronx & Manhattan, after TARS acquired the Union Railway. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Fri Aug 23 15:36:57 2019, in response to 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019. The Third Avenue Railway Company was a major streetcar operator in Manhattan and the Bronx. The "main line", among many, was the Third Avenue and Amsterdam Avenue line, starting at Park Row and Broadway, proceeding north on Park Row and Bowery to Third Avenue, to 125th Street, then to Amsterdam Avenue, and north to Fort George. It was converted to bus May 18, 1947. Electric cars were preceded by cable power, the north terminal being 130th Street and Third Avenue. My information comes from "Third Avenue Railway" by Frederick A. Kramer. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Aug 23 15:37:39 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 23 13:35:44 2019. The TARS streetcar (not trolley in Manhattan) that started at Park Row ran up Third Avenue & Amsterdam Av to 193 St in Fort George, upper Manhattan, It was converted to bus in May, 1948 as the M-101 route. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Aug 23 15:40:46 2019, in response to 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019. The only TARS streetcar routed that ran from Manhattan to the Bronx were from 125 St to Kingsbride Ro in the Bronx and Willis Av in the Bronx |
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Posted by andy on Fri Aug 23 15:59:18 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by northshore on Fri Aug 23 15:40:46 2019. You are forgetting the numerous crosstown routes between The Bronx and Manhattan the crossed the various Harlem River Bridges. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Aug 23 17:15:37 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Aug 23 13:35:44 2019. I cannot remember where I read this, but I believe it stopped in upper Manhattan rather than in the Bronx. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 17:18:00 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by andy on Fri Aug 23 15:59:18 2019. I wonder how many of them crossed the Third Ave Bridge! |
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Posted by Joe on Sat Aug 24 00:24:14 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Aug 23 17:15:37 2019. The K car, northbound, crossed the Harlem River Ship Canal. Very shortly, it used a leading-point crossover and stopped on the southbound track immediately after West 225th Street came down from Marble Hill and before West 225th Street arrived from Bailey Avenue. I forget which door arriving passengers would use to exit. The conduit slot went only on that crossover, it did not continue straight. Both tracks had wire overhead to facilitate Bronx cars going to Kingsbridge barn. The motorman would change ends, and we would board the now-southbound car at his operating end. Changing ends meant bringing the brake handle forward, grabbing the fare box to move up front, and maybe flipping a few seats.--- The K car did not leave Manhattan, as the old river bed was north of West 228th Street. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 24 11:07:36 2019, in response to 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019. This image shows tracks on turd ave.So there may have been trolleys, or at least Horse cars.  :no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/11605001/GettyImages_73501989.jpg)
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 24 11:12:32 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Sat Aug 24 00:24:14 2019. The astute student will note the stair wat to the "El" in the back round.
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:24:56 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 24 11:07:36 2019. Bottom photo, in color, great find!It was taken in 1944, the year both films came out, possibly May - that's when the Scarlett Claw came out according to its page at the IMdb website. By peroples' dress, the weather still may have been a little nippy from day to day. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:28:30 2019, in response to 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019. Thank you for starting this thread. I know very little about trolley operation in NYC, so posts like this one with ongoing discussion & everyone adding what the know is great. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 24 23:19:46 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 23 14:37:35 2019. I believe it was the Fordham & Woodlawn Line. It ran under the Third Ave el from Gun Hill/Webster to 145 St, and continued south on 3rd Ave, over the 3rd Ave bridge to the old Union Railway loop under the 129th St station of the 2nd & 3rd Ave els. It ended service on July 1st, 1918. Unfortunately, it did not continue south on 3rd Ave in Manhattan! |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Aug 25 00:14:22 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 24 11:07:36 2019. The pawn shop in the shadow of the El on Third Avenue reminds me of the famous scene in the movie The Lost Weekend, in which the main character is desperately trying to pawn his typewriter to get money for liquor, only to come up empty handed because it's Yom Kippur and all the pawn shops are closed. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 25 17:36:51 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:28:30 2019. You are welcome! If you can, try to get this book: THE TRACKS OF NEW YORK- Number 1- METROPOLITAN STREET RAILWAY- 1907. Alan Paul Kahn wrote it and there have been a couple of later printings. I know that the museum store up in Branford sold them, a while back. It has all of the streetcar routes in Manhattan, in maps and a route roster. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:20:35 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Express Rider on Sat Aug 24 18:24:56 2019. Even though the weather may have been a bit nippy, the theater had a large banner proclaiming “Air Conditioned." |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 25 20:24:18 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 24 11:12:32 2019. That was the original staircase. At some point after the trolleys quit, I recall that Broadway was widened to the east in the area and the gangway from the station to the sidewalk was extended a few feet to meet the new sidewalk. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Aug 25 21:37:20 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 25 17:36:51 2019. Great!Thanks for the info! If I get obsessed, I'll maybe Branford's museum shop and see if I can order it by mail. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 25 22:01:57 2019, in response to 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:09:45 2019. OKAY, OKAY....here's what I consider authoritative:Frederick A. Kramer's "Across New York By Trolley", Volume 4, does not state directly, but indicates via map and pictures that at its peak in the 1930s, TARS ran (among other routes) a route that almost perfectly matched the Third Avenue El. The map on the very back shows a line starting on 1st Street in Mount Vernon, proceeding south on White Plains Road, turning west on Gun Hill Road, then south along Webster, Third, and Willis Avenues to 3rd Avenue in Manhattan, to Bowery and Park Row, with a southwesterly tail at the end. A photo on Page 7 shows it (Route T) passing adjacent to the IRT Park Row elevated terminal, and (going backwards in the book), a pic on Page 4 shows the route ending right at the turn onto Broadway, opposite 225 Broadway, with the Woolworth Building visible. The old Post Office is right next to the trolley. Today, this would be at the southern tip of City Hall Park. I cannot tell if Route T actually ran the whole way from/to Mount Vernon, but considering how closely the route seems to have followed the elevated (I guess it didn't use the private ROW in the South Bronx) I'd guess that it ran at least to Fordham Road. Perhaps, but again, I do not know, another route designation went from there to Mount Vernon. I hope this is helpful. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 25 22:05:27 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by northshore on Fri Aug 23 15:37:39 2019. I'd suspect it was more likely Route B that went up Broadway and Amsterdam Avenue to Ft. George. I think the Route T stayed on it's namesake 3rd Avenue, crossing over the 125th Street (most crosstown routes were designated "X") and at least entering the Bronx. It's just a question of how far Route T went- but there was service (perhaps with another letter) right into Mount Vernon. |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Mon Aug 26 11:56:21 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Aug 25 17:36:51 2019. Another source of hard-to-find out-of-print books is eBay, often at very low prices. However, with much interest a bidding war can ensue. |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 13:29:53 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 25 22:05:27 2019. Memory can be faulty and I saved only occasional issues of the New York Division bulletin. However @MainR3664 the letters appeared on TARS routes only in the 1930's. In my memory, the B-Broadway car always had the 129th & Amsterdam car barn as its northern terminus. Likewise, during the era when letters were used, the Third and Amsterdam (T) went to Fort George, not to The Bronx. For what happened before 1910, go to history books and even then allow for errors.--- The person in this thread who discovered a route beginning at 129th and 2nd (that el station on an east-west axis at 129th Street) all the way to Mount Vernon has made a find), but its chronology must be matched with a discussion of when the elevated structures over the trolley route were built. For example, the section above Webster Avenue from Bronx Park to Gun Hill Road was opened for service in October, 1920. Interborough service above White Plains Road reached East 238th Street in late 1917. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 26 13:37:51 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 13:29:53 2019. In that case, how did the Third Avenue (T) route get to 129th/Amsterdam? Via 125th Street? |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Aug 26 14:13:28 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 25 22:01:57 2019. The T never went to Mount Vernon, only to 193 St & Amsterdam Avenue, Fort George, Manhattan.With transferring, it would be possible to ride TARS streetcars to Yonkers from Park Row. |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 15:41:16 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Aug 26 13:37:51 2019. That very long Third & Amsterdam streetcar route marked T in the late 1930's and 1940's went north under the Third Avenue el structure to East 125th Street, then turned west to Amsterdam Avenue, and followed Amsterdam Avenue to Fort George.--- The Arcadia book by Charles L. Ballard "Metropolitan New York's Third Avenue Railway System" has on its cover a photo of car 189 passing the Tri-Boro movie house on East 125th Street. On page 13 is car 140 westbound at 3rd Avenue, with the el in the background. On page 14 is car 195 eastbound, with the New York Central in the background. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 26 15:47:42 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 15:41:16 2019. The northbound M101 continued to ply that route (with southbound rerouted to Lexington north of 24th) until 1995. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 26 20:32:11 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 15:41:16 2019. The Tracks of New York Number 1 doesn't show any turnoffs from 125th St eastbound, to Third Ave northbound. How did the Willis Ave- 125 St carline operate there? |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 21:58:32 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 26 20:32:11 2019. I'm out of my depth here, but the nycsubway.org site has a TARS route map dated 1922 (not a track map) that shows a carline coming down Willis Avenue, crossing the bridge to Manhattan, then traveling on First Avenue to 125th Street (no further south). The map shows service on 125th Street both east and west of First Avenue, east going a short block to the river's edge.--- I my untrustworthy memory, I recall riding the X-125 St car east until it was cut back by the Triborough Bridge just east of a north-south Avenue. That is, after WW2, the X-125 did proceed some distance east of Third Avenue, maybe past 2nd Avenue, maybe past 1st Avenue. First Avenue led to the Willis Avenue Bridge. The next question is the location of the plow pit for Willis Avenue cars. |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 22:09:16 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 21:58:32 2019. Could the photo linked below of Car 99 on Willis Avenue be at the plow pit, as autos are directed off the track and there is wire overhead? The location is given as First Avenue and 125th Street. I cannot figure out the direction of the camera nor the overhead structure. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 26 22:24:08 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 22:09:16 2019. The structure is the stub of the Triborough Bridge facing 125th Street. It is a provision for the never built Cross-Harlem Expressway. It still exists. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 26 22:29:24 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Aug 26 20:32:11 2019. The Willis Avenue line used the Willis Avenue Bridge, not the Third Avenue Bridge. |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Aug 27 10:51:17 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 26 22:24:08 2019. Thanks to Spider for identifying the structure, a stub of the Cross-Harlem Expressway. Now we know that the plow pits were on 125th Street immediately west of First Avenue, and that is the location of Willis Avenue car 99 in the photo referenced earlier. If I recall correctly, you were not allowed to have both the plough and the trolley pole connected simultaneously. First remove one, then add the other, to avoid connecting the two power supplies.--- In the 1940's, the pit I observed most often was on 145th Street. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 27 14:36:58 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Mon Aug 26 15:41:16 2019. OK thanks. I don't have that book.But what about 3rd(Manhattan0/Third(Bronx) service north of 125th? Again, Kramer's TARS maps shows service essentially matching the El- and beyond, to 1st Street- Mount Vernon. Did another route/letter designation pick where the T turned west at 125th? Or did it start even lower, overlapping the T? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 27 14:38:09 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by northshore on Mon Aug 26 14:13:28 2019. Ok, fair enough. But since Frederick Kramer's image of TARS's map shows such service, did another line pick up service north of 125th? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 27 14:47:41 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Aug 24 11:12:32 2019. From Nov. 1996-Feb. 1999, I rode the Bee Line bus #2 almost every day from here to almost its northern terminal. To this very day, it follows TARS Route 2, except that it's extended via DeHaven Drive through the area known as "Tudor Woods".Remarkably, there's almost no video I can find of Route 2. You Tube has quite a bit of footage about Routes 4, 5, 6, and 7, and some of the downtown Yonkers frames show a 2 in the background. But nothing about the 2 itself on Park or Palisade Avenues. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 27 22:27:07 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Tue Aug 27 10:51:17 2019. How could a W- Willis Ave car from the Bronx wind up at 125th St & 1st Ave? |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Aug 27 22:44:08 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 27 22:27:07 2019. The Willis Avenue Bridge entered Manhattan at First Avenue. It seems that the cars went south to 125th Street, turned west and immediately someone pulled down the rear pole and somebody else in the pit installed a fresh plough that had been taken off a northbound car.--- I never envied the job the guys had in the plough pit. When I do not understand is whether they turned off the juice in the conduit rail while they installed the plough. Somehow, the car needed power to continue west, and the pole was already down. --- Please note that the W-Willis cars did not use Third Avenue south of 149th Street. They used Willis Avenue, still a wide avenue now as before. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Aug 27 22:45:19 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Tue Aug 27 22:44:08 2019. OK, thanks! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 28 01:50:56 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Tue Aug 27 22:44:08 2019. The successor line, Bx15 (formerly Bx29) still uses Willis Avenue in both directions north of 138th Street. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Aug 28 04:30:36 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Aug 27 14:38:09 2019. The TARS B streetcar line ended at 125 St, just as the M104 bus route does today. There were no TARS routes on Broadway north of 125 St |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Aug 28 07:37:07 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by northshore on Wed Aug 28 04:30:36 2019. Thank you. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 28 16:55:35 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by Joe on Tue Aug 27 22:44:08 2019. If I recall from seeing the operation of the plough pits in DC, the pole was left up while the plough was being installed so that the car could move into the live conduit area after which the pole was pulled down. When leaving conduit territory, the pole was put up first and then the plough was removed so that the car never lost power in either direction. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 28 17:00:44 2019, in response to Re: 3rd Ave Trolley Route in Manhattan & Bronx!, posted by northshore on Wed Aug 28 04:30:36 2019. Actually, that’s not quite accurate. The Bway Kingsbridge car (probably lettered K) operated on Bway N/O 168 St. Between 125 St band 168 St both the 3/Amsterdam and Bway cars shared trackage. If I recall from my days in the neighborhood, the Bway tracks split from the Amsterdam tracks where Amsterdam crossed St Nicholas at 163 St and were on St Nick to around 168 St where St Nick crossed Bway. |
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