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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 21 13:48:42 2019, in response to Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 12:02:01 2019. Like Dean Martin and frank Sinatra?? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 14:19:48 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Aug 21 13:48:42 2019. Old timers went down the road with that little metal thing filled with alcohol.They actually needed it for performance. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 18:43:53 2019, in response to Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 12:02:01 2019. I knew when I clicked on this that there would be an element of Irish Catholic in here. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 18:52:46 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 18:43:53 2019. It is true.IRT was very Irish and stories about guys with those little metal things to carry alcohol. I find it interesting that alcohol is a sports drink for some and disaster for others. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 19:01:14 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 18:52:46 2019. We'd have to ask Robert Ray his ancestry. For all we know his grandmother could have been Dutch. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Aug 21 19:08:58 2019, in response to Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 12:02:01 2019. Some ethnicities tolerate alcohol better than others. I'll drink to that. BTW who is Robert Ray? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 21 19:10:55 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 18:52:46 2019. those little metal things to carry alcohol    
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 21 19:27:51 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Aug 21 19:08:58 2019. Maybe this guy? Robert Ray? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 19:32:14 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Aug 21 19:08:58 2019. The motorman in the union square wreck in 1991. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 19:51:55 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 19:32:14 2019. #100kegsorbust #kegcityclubDidn't work for him. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 19:58:15 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 19:51:55 2019. No it didn't. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Aug 21 20:09:54 2019, in response to Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 12:02:01 2019. Whatever, there's no excuses in the what's right vs wrong. There's tons of them in government.The conductor knew, whoever he walked past to check in and get his train in the morning knew, co-workers knew, supervisor must have known, that wasn't his first day working drunk. No consequences for anyone. Except the passengers. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 20:12:59 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 19:58:15 2019. My Italian and Jewish friends like to meet for Dunkin or pizza.My Irish Catholic and German friends prefer alcohol. They find it hard to socialize or bond without it. Whatever Robert Ray drank before crashing his 4 train would be buzz zone levels of booze for Irish Catholics, Germans or Swedes. THIW |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 20:17:05 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 20:12:59 2019. I believe you. In the wide range of folks I know alcohol knows know bounds. As well as I know people from all backgrounds that that will not have a drink. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 20:24:32 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 20:17:05 2019. I think Woodhaven House and O Neills and Oktoberfest skew Irishcatholic and German mainly irishcatholic because of alcohol.I'm starting to wonder if alcohol consumption prevents hair loss by reducing cortisol levels? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 20:42:28 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 20:24:32 2019. You're probably right but the Irish aren't the only ones in the Irish bars nor are Germans the only ones at Oktoberfest.It would be an interesting study to find out if drinking prevents hair loss. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Wed Aug 21 20:48:40 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 20:42:28 2019. Perhaps it does but I know that alcohol kills brain cells so I moderate my consumption. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 21:13:57 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 20:24:32 2019. Most serious alcoholics don't live long enough to lose much hair. Two notable exceptions would be Bogart & Sinatra. Both were world class drinkers & both wore toupees. BTW both not Irish. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Aug 21 21:35:15 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 21:13:57 2019. Jim: Do you remember some of those guys that rode the bar car on the 5:12 to Poughkeepsie? Those guys were so tanked up that they could light a match just by blowing on it. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 21:37:06 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 20:42:28 2019. Irish dominate bar scene. They are overrepresented.My Irish Catholic and German friends also love cruises and cheap Mexico getaways. Cruises are great for alcohol lovers. Warm weather enhances alcohol experience. They seek warm weather to enjoy alcohol better. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 21:40:46 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 21:13:57 2019. These men could not consume a fraction of what Judge Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey can.If Bogart and Sinatra were Irish alcohol would be good for them. That's my point. Anyone can booze up. Not everyone should. Ethnicity plays a role in how it affects a person. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Wed Aug 21 22:03:39 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by murray1575 on Wed Aug 21 20:48:40 2019. Too much thinking can kill you ;-) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 23:11:49 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Wed Aug 21 21:35:15 2019. Larry; absoultely!! But many of them got on the train half in the bag to begin with. Then drove several miles home when they got off the train. After a few accidents & DUIs, RR liability issues crept in which led to #6152 "Poughkeepsie" being converted back to standard coach from a bar car, thus ending an era. Many of the bar car clientele are now off riding that big bar car in the sky! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 23:15:45 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 21:40:46 2019. "These men could not consume a fraction of what Judge Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey can."That is just not true. Sinatra used to polish off a bottle of Jack Daniels a day. Bogart loved his martinis, usually downing on average 6 before sundown...on a slow day! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 23:27:19 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 23:15:45 2019. There are outliers. Statistical flukes.I am more right than wrong. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Aug 22 14:00:39 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 18:52:46 2019. My grandmother often said "Drink, the curse of the working class!"While grandpa, just as often said, " Work! The curse of the drinking class! (_!_) |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu Aug 22 14:00:40 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 18:52:46 2019. My grandmother often said "Drink, the curse of the working class!"While grandpa, just as often said, " Work! The curse of the drinking class! (_!_) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 22 14:39:19 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 20:12:59 2019. My Italian and Jewish friends like to meet for DunkinTerrible coffee. |
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Posted by numbersix on Thu Aug 22 16:59:56 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Aug 21 18:43:53 2019. Like Regis and the pope. |
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Posted by numbersix on Thu Aug 22 17:05:45 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 21 19:27:51 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Union_Square_derailment |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 22 17:13:25 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by numbersix on Thu Aug 22 17:05:45 2019. Never would have happened to a northern European who a genetically able to excel on alcohol. |
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Posted by numbersix on Thu Aug 22 17:14:37 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 21 19:27:51 2019. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Union_Square_derailment |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 22 18:51:23 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 21 18:52:46 2019. I come from 3 hard drinking ethnicities, Irish, Polish and German but I don’t drink as a rule, just as a habit. I also only drink on 2 occasions, when I’m alone and when I’m with somebody else. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Aug 22 20:17:08 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Steamdriven on Wed Aug 21 20:09:54 2019. Nope, he was late for work, signed on and ran out to his train which left Woodlawn late. Dispatcher never checked him for "fitness". Put cars out of the first few stations. Conductor never saw him. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Aug 23 00:46:30 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Aug 22 20:17:08 2019. tx for the details. Still it leaves me feeling like that didn't have to happen."Put cars out of the first few stations. Conductor never saw him. " 1. MM can just run onto a train without any coordinating with the conductor? Don't they work as a team?? 2. Didn't he stop well past the platform several times? That would be enough for the conductor to be primed to halt the train, +/or go have an in-person talk, you'd think. Dunno, whole thing does not seem like an unavoidable fluke like someone in good health having a stroke, it's more like taking 'small' gambles until hitting the jackpot. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 11:22:25 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Aug 23 00:46:30 2019. It was a new conductor, he knew what he needed to do but was afraid to do it, what with the T/O being a senior operator.Me, I'd a pulled the hand brake and call it in as bad brakes. Let TSS find him drunk as a skunk or whatever. Crews are supposed to check in before their first run and the dispatcher is supposed to look them over to see if they are fit to operate. Oh Well ROAR |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 12:27:27 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Aug 23 00:46:30 2019. "That would be enough for the conductor to be primed to halt the train, +/or go have an in-person talk, you'd think."I agree 100%. However, pure speculation here; the conductor might have had the idea that if he did that, he'd be labeled as a rat, "company man", or "watch your back around him", not a team player etc. resulting in him being shunned or otherwise alienated from fellow union men. Also possibly having a brake shoe tossed thru your parked car's windshield. Theres' a lot of that mentality out there. JUst do your job & worry about yourself & mind your business. Conductor was probably hoping that he'd be lucky & just get thru this run w/o any serious problems. Didn't quite work out that way. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 23 12:49:28 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 11:22:25 2019. Playing general after the war eh? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Aug 23 13:25:28 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 22 18:51:23 2019. And I watch my drinking now. I only drink in bars that have mirrors. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Aug 23 13:27:20 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Aug 22 14:00:39 2019. I like what your grandpa said....in fact I once quit a job when it started to interfere with my drinking. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 13:29:25 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 23 12:49:28 2019. Yup... That is the easy part.ROAR |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 23 13:30:49 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Aug 23 13:25:28 2019. "She drove me to drink- and I thank her to this day!". -WC Fields |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 13:33:12 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 12:27:27 2019. Like I said, Pull the cord and call it in as bad brakes. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 14:11:22 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 13:33:12 2019. When the train gets back to the yard, couldn't car inspectors tell if a cord is pulled? If the train goes BIE & the cause is because the conductor pulled the cord when no emergency existed at the time of the pull, wouldn't that conductor be in deep manure? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 14:53:38 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 14:11:22 2019. The train had made over-runs, and missed a station entirely, He could report defective brakes.The Onion and the T/O never need know further than that. The TSS would take care of it and keep the C/R out of it. Of course it was because the T/O was bombed, but the conductor could not know that, all he knew was about the over-runs, and that by itself would be enough to take the train OOS. And that does fall within his area of responsibility. ROAR |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 23 15:52:54 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 13:29:25 2019. It certainly is. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Aug 23 18:21:42 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 12:27:27 2019. I believe you nailed it. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Sat Aug 24 10:29:55 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 12:27:27 2019. Was the conductor disciplined for not stoping the train before the accident? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 24 17:36:11 2019, in response to Re: Robert Ray 4 train, posted by Bzuck on Sat Aug 24 10:29:55 2019. I don't know. |
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