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Posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 19 19:57:48 2019 Brighton Line Must Be Raised Two Feet |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 20:14:53 2019, in response to More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 19 19:57:48 2019. Anyone who does not know how tall their truck is BEFORE getting behind the wheel, has no business driving one.This maxim is demonstrated on an almost daily basis at the famous 11-foot-8 bridge in Durham, NC. However, the 11'11" clearances on the Brighton line are a close second. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Aug 19 20:32:32 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 20:14:53 2019. My son lives near Durham, NC. I have seen that famous bridge, many times. That's a low height.Our semi-trailers were 13'-6 1/2" high. Gindy Trailers, Budd Trailers, Thayco trailers. |
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Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Mon Aug 19 20:32:47 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 20:14:53 2019. Never mind the truck. Dude waiting to cross the street is like whatever... totally awesome. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Aug 19 21:08:40 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 20:14:53 2019. Commercial vehicles are required to have a placard or sticker with vehicle height. When you test for a CDL, one of the things you do as soon as you get into the drivers seat is announce the placarded height. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 21:20:24 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Pragmatist on Mon Aug 19 21:08:40 2019. ...and still these trestles and overpasses continue to consume trucks.Another notorious trestle in Brooklyn that eats trailers all the time is the NY&A bridge at Remsen Ave. just south of Ave. D. It's 11'10", IIRC. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 19 21:21:38 2019, in response to More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 19 19:57:48 2019. smarter mouse trap creates smarter mouse, but why has this theory not worked with commercial truck drivers ? really signs all over. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Aug 19 21:37:31 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 19 21:21:38 2019. They put arms down and have flashing lights at RR crossings, and folks drive around them. Another major culprit is relying on car GPS to avoid spending the much bigger bucks for a truck GPS which can be programmed with vehicle height and route accordingly. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 19 23:07:23 2019, in response to More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 19 19:57:48 2019. As part of the LIRR third track project, those low overpasses which need widening or replacement are also being raised to a 14' clearance, so the idea of replacing them is not out of the realm of possibility if the money can be found to do it. Warning signs aren't a cure-all. I recall a low underpass on Electronics Parkway near Syracuse, NY (formerly NY 57) that had a ton of warning signs and trucks still hit it regularly. Truck drivers, especially those used to the interstates that are built for trucks, simply cannot believe that an overpass would not be high enough for them until they prove it to themselves. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 20 06:29:06 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 21:20:24 2019. Another notorious trestle in Brooklyn that eats trailers all the time is the NY&A bridge at Remsen Ave. just south of Ave. D. It's 11'10", IIRC.How about the Broadway el near 207th St Manhattan. That's a sore spot for height reductions of box trucks. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 20 10:55:43 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 20 06:29:06 2019. There seems to be an order of competent. Box trucks, then local drivers then OTR drivers. The former being the least competent.While I was driving somewhere last week, my mind wandered to the thought that I don't really see the height sign in advance. I forget where this was, it was a lower bridge, and there's no sign until you're actually at the place with the bridge. So what are you supposed to do? Reverse a quarter mile to get off that road? Same issue with most on-ramps and directional signage. Most of it around the country actually sucks, or is plain missing. Maybe some warning is more in order before we put up air raid sirens. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Aug 20 11:30:27 2019, in response to More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 19 19:57:48 2019. Yeah, because big yellow signs saying "11 ft, 11 in." are not enough. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 11:46:16 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Aug 19 21:21:38 2019. Most are not commercial truck drivers. Most are schlubs who rent trucks from Ryder or someone. They ARE told about the height of the truck AND the fact that insurance does not cover overhead collisions. They even have to initial that paragraph on the rental agreement.But like I said, they are schlubs who have never driven a big truck before. ROAR |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Aug 20 11:57:48 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 19 23:07:23 2019. '...the idea of replacing them is not out of the realm of possibility if the money can be found to do it...'Raising the entire 4-track Brighton Line would be impossible! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 12:08:32 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Pragmatist on Mon Aug 19 21:37:31 2019. The correct solution is the tell-tales that railroads used to put at the entrance to tunnels. In this case they would be heavy iron balls attached to a chain. Those thing slamming into your truck should wake you up.Kinda like the smash signals used in New Jersey.   Using this last one against trucks seems an easy fix. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:27:57 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 20 06:29:06 2019. I recall that the Bway el at 207 St was raised a few years ago but by how much I don’t know. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:30:57 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 11:46:16 2019. Wouldn’t even a renter have to have a CDL if the size of the truck requires it? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:31:57 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Dan on Tue Aug 20 11:57:48 2019. Not impossible but prohibitively expensive. |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 20 19:05:53 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Aug 20 12:08:32 2019. Can you imagine the lawsuits in the U.S.? |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 20 19:10:59 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:30:57 2019. Yes, but you can rent a fairly high truck on a New York operator's license.I had to back out of an ex-PRR underpass going from Lincoln Highway to Route 1 in New Jersey. I imagine that some people would have tried their luck. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 08:09:55 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 20 19:05:53 2019. What? For trucks banging into balls ??? They be in bigger do do if they band into the train.On the 11 foot 8 bridge there is a guard beam just ahead of the trestle, trucks hit that and not the bridge itself. RR put it there on their property to protect their bridge. The city could hang their balls at the beginning of the block, give the driver time to react to their issue. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:19:40 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 08:09:55 2019. He’s referring to the balls on the top of trains for “passengers." |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Aug 21 17:35:08 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 21 17:19:40 2019. Yeah, but we do not have pax atop trains, and I doubt if India or Indonesia is going to worry about pax who fall off of their trains. It happens every day out there. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 17:51:14 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 20 19:10:59 2019. I think it works by weight & not height. IIRC a truck cannot weigh more than 18K Lbs.to be driven by a straight NYS drivers license. No mention of any height restrictions. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 21 18:07:57 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 17:51:14 2019. Here is a compilation of crashes for that Durham bridge....11'-8" crashes |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 21 18:18:34 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Aug 21 18:07:57 2019. I was the semi-trailer business for 23 years, there is nothing really strong on those bodies , it's all aluminum up top . So any impact peels the roof sheet like a can opener, and if it continues to the rear frame(steel) and rear doors, the rear frame of the trailer or truck gets banged off as you see in the videos. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Wed Aug 21 19:00:37 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Aug 21 17:51:14 2019. raised to 26k, as long as we are not talking about special cases like placarded materials, passenger transport like school buses, interstate commerce, etc. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Aug 21 20:46:44 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Aug 19 23:07:23 2019. These problems just don't go away. The first link is from 2010. The second is from last month.https://www.dot.ny.gov/portal/page/portal/news/press-releases/2011/2011-11-30 https://www.localsyr.com/news/local-news/nysdot-looking-at-new-ways-to-stop-bridge-crashes-on-onondaga-lake-parkway/ Some people will ignore all efforts at education. To combat spoofing schemes where people pretend to be the boss or a supervisor and start asking for credentials, I started adding a red, bold line to my email signature a few months ago that reads "PLEASE DO NOT EVER SEND PASSWORDS OF ANY SORT VIA EMAIL TO ANYONE FOR ANY REASON." This morning a lady replied to one such email with her boss's password included, even though I did not ask for it (and would not have). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Aug 22 10:35:00 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Aug 21 19:00:37 2019. Still must be a straight body truck and not a truck-trailer.ROAR |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 22 11:03:20 2019, in response to More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 19 19:57:48 2019. Its not just train overpasses.When I was growing up in Kew Gardens Hills, the Van Wyck Expressway ran along the western border of the neighborhood (which it still does today). There was a children's park called the Mauro Playground on the near side of the Van Wyck, which I went to many times as a child. There was an overpass connecting the playground to the ballfields in the grassy area on the other side of the highway. We used to ride our bikes and hang out on the overpass to watch the traffic go by. In the '80s, the overpass over the southbound Van Wyck was struck twice by passing trucks. It was closed to all foot and bike traffic and eventually rebuilt with the section over the southbound lanes being raised higher than it had been before. You can still see the raised section today. Unfortunately, that spelled the end of the ballfield use. The MTA took over a large swath of the grassy area for an expanded Jamaica yard and the rest of it was turned into a natural reserve for migrating birds and such, since the grassy area is near the lake. Today its all overgrown. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 07:05:52 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 20 06:29:06 2019. That's a weird one.There are two signs posted on westbound 207 at 10th Ave - - one says 12' high, the other 11' high. The lower height is the one that should be followed. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 07:06:52 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 20 16:27:57 2019. That might explain why there are two different height postings on the westbound side of 207. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 07:10:41 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 19 21:20:24 2019. Another notorious trestle in Brooklyn that eats trailers all the time is the NY&A bridge at Remsen Ave. just south of Ave. D. It's 11'10", IIRCIt's actually 12 feet high on the nose. Shall I teach you some Journalism 101 in learning how to do research on Google maps so you won't make false assumptions? (even though your statement is within the 12 feet height posting). |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 09:23:38 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Pragmatist on Wed Aug 21 19:00:37 2019. Did not know about the weight raise restriction. Thanks |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Fri Aug 23 10:00:52 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 23 09:23:38 2019. https://dmv.ny.gov/commercial-drivers/elimination-non-cdl-class-c-licenseI found the announcement, I didn't realize it was that long ago. I was thinking more recent for sure.... |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Fri Aug 23 10:25:04 2019, in response to More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by heypaul on Mon Aug 19 19:57:48 2019. All that's needed is to revoke the license of any truck driver who drives into a bridge and make them learn to drive again from scratch if they ever want to be allowed on the roads again. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 23 10:45:56 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 07:06:52 2019. David:Wlecome back. Its been a while since we heard from you. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 12:02:06 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Aug 23 10:45:56 2019. I was over by OT Chat but yes, good to be back. Thanks Larry. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 12:33:41 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Aug 22 11:03:20 2019. What's strange is that the Van Wyck is and always has been an expressway and thus there should never have been a low overpass there. It was also built in 1964. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 13:00:15 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 23 12:33:41 2019. The problem with Robert Moses and his construction of NYC's arterial system is that they could not be built to Interstate Highway standards. The "Snarl-Bronx" Expressway is the #1 example. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 23 13:34:19 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 13:00:15 2019. Because interstate standards did not exist back then.They built what they thought they needed. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 24 02:03:01 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 07:05:52 2019. The 11’ sign indicates the clearance only at the point where the stairway descends, something which couldn’t have been moved when the rest of the structure was lifted. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Aug 25 12:14:50 2019, in response to Re: More Warning Signs & Alarms Are Needed to Prevent Trucks From Slamming Into Low Train Overpasses, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Aug 23 13:00:15 2019. What about the Cross Bronx is not built to Interstate standards? About all I can think of is the eastbound entrance ramp at Jerome Ave., which ends with a stop sign, IIRC, as does the northbound entrance to the Deegan at 230th St. That is hardly the source of major delays. I-95 South very briefly narrows to one lane as it transitions from the Bruckner Expwy. to the Cross Bronx, but that is allowed because it is a ramp, and it was built after the Moses era. |
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