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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 21 18:57:44 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Jeromeline on Sun Jul 21 18:38:50 2019. Nope.I don't where you got that from. I speak of my Metro North years. Union dues were often raised without employees of the crafts (18) that ran the railroad getting raises. Many crafts worked for years w/o any new contract or pay raise while the dues were increased, sometimes more than once while still waiting for a new agreement.Unless of course things were done differently at the TA. |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Sun Jul 21 19:04:14 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 21 18:57:44 2019. In my union dues increases came in different forms. The International changes dues at its national convention which is every few years, the local adjusts dues and working assessments by vote of the membership at regular meetings. Nothing tied to the CBA |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jul 21 22:01:17 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jul 21 04:12:20 2019. The problem is that many of our liberal politicians feel that the inconvenience impacts the inmates’ families rather than just the inmates themselves. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 22 03:42:52 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 21 22:01:17 2019. The inconvenience is designed to "impact the inmates' families", and discourage them from visiting.I went to Rikers on assignment to interview an inmate, and the "security procedures" you have to go through, plus the long wait to actually see the inmate, are among the obstacles to visitation. Yes, I agree that the prison must be kept secure, but still, some of the onerous "requirements", like the low-level grilling you get on entry about your visit, are clearly there to make the experience even more unpleasant. Prisons aren't there to rehabilitate, but to punish, and everything that inmates experience, including barriers to receiving visitors, is done specifically to achieve this goal. I say this as someone who has both worked in the NYC jail system, and experienced it later as s visitor. PS, the harsh visitation rules and "procedures" were made even more difficult under Giuliani, who is hardly a "liberal". |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 22 03:48:10 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 21 16:30:23 2019. Aw... the poor dude. 90%+ are in fact guilty : let them rot, as for the innocent they should demand to go to the top of the list to see the judge. Of course all will do that. But then the Judge gets to decide what to do, after all, that is what a judge is for.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 22 03:49:12 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jul 21 16:41:30 2019. So are Islamic values. They seem to get through these things faster.ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 22 04:00:21 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 22 03:48:10 2019. No; a judge is there to uphold the law, not make law from the bench. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 04:16:56 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 22 04:00:21 2019. Thank you. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 05:08:16 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by randyo on Sun Jul 21 22:01:17 2019. Well, it does. The conclusions one draws from that fact are another matter, but it is certainly the case that the inconvenience of visiting Rikers impacts the inmates' families. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Mon Jul 22 06:00:21 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 21 18:57:44 2019. At the uft , they passed a resolution in the early 1980`s. It is a percentage of pay. It goes up Every time there is a raise . |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 06:02:50 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 05:08:16 2019. Perhaps as part of the the criminal Justice system, when a person is arrested, his/her entire family be given city funded credit cards to be used for transportation, lodging and food on visiting days. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 22 06:08:33 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 22 04:00:21 2019. Dork! He is there to judge the guilt or innocence of the perp, albeit the perp can request a jury trial.If him does that he will have to post bond or remain in the hoosegow. Or he can plead guilty and get on with things. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 22 06:11:48 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Pragmatist on Sun Jul 21 19:04:14 2019. In the "old days" with the railroads, there was a so-called unwritten rule, for lack of better description, that you didn't raise members dues without getting them a pay raise first. That went the way of five,five and five % pay increases with each new contract. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 22 06:11:48 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 05:08:16 2019. Going to see an inmate is not like going to the corner to buy a loaf of bread. You had better plan on it taking all afternoon if not all day.And while you are there tell him not to be a stupid perp, but to abide with the laws and come home to his family each day. THAT would be much better. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jul 22 06:17:59 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 22 06:11:48 2019. That's your opinion. Obviously other people have other opinions. I was only commenting on the fact, which you are agreeing with, that visiting Rikers is a big inconvenience. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 06:18:44 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jul 22 06:08:33 2019. So once again, you don't give a flying fig about the rights of innocent people. Conservative Justice. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 22 08:06:19 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 21 18:57:44 2019. He is speaking the truth. I should know since I worked there. Union dues increase the same percentage as wages. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 22 09:58:35 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 22 08:06:19 2019. I was speaking of the situation(s) that I worked thru when they raised the dues W/O getting their members raises. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 22 11:58:20 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 22 09:58:35 2019. I was speaking of the present. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Jul 22 12:10:49 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 14:58:53 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 22 12:30:55 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jul 22 03:42:52 2019. Well, Giuliani wasn’t concerned at all with the impact on inmates’ families. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jul 22 12:34:27 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 20 10:46:07 2019. I know! That'll be me! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jul 22 12:36:44 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 22 04:00:21 2019. I agree, except that lately, many court decisions amount to legislation from the bench. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 12:37:31 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 12:01:18 2019. There might also be a god character who doesn't accept repentance of any kind, but then it can't hurt to repent because you can't know that either.But the Christian doctrine allows for sincere repentance. And a person intending to repent on his deathbed might actually feel that his waiting that long is wrong and might wish to have chosen to repent earlier. Would the god character punish such a person even if their otherwise planned repentance was ultimately sincere? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 12:37:59 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 22 12:36:44 2019. Such as? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 10:04:04 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 06:18:44 2019. How does this not care for the innocent. If accused, they can usually post bond.What am I supposed to do, slap the policeman on the hand and let the perp walk. The dude has been arrested, that ends the issue until it is adjudicated. My goal was to get people (perps and all) out of the jails and justice system as quickly as possible. Usually what will happen is the perp will appear before the judge and if he pleads innocent, the judge can then hear his story, remembering that it is on the record, and then: 1) Let him go, or 2) Set bail, or 3) Remand Him. I was providing a new option for those who as plead guilty. The Judge can: 1) Sentence him 2) Put him on probation or 3) Give him stripes and send him home. Anything to keep the riff raff out of the jail system. We need not fill the jails with petty punks. BESIDES: When the perp appears before the judge, the officer is frequently not there. In the absence of the officer the case will be put over for a date when the officer can be there. One or two no-shows by the officer and the perp walks anyway. I know, I had done that for a red light violation which was BOGUS and the officer knew it would not stand up. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 10:15:23 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 22 09:58:35 2019. Different onions different times. The onion can vote its dues independent of the wage package.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 10:27:04 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by randyo on Mon Jul 22 12:36:44 2019. That is mostly the Supreme Court.\\A lower court cannot get away with it (except in the 9th Circus)ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jul 24 12:10:13 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 10:04:04 2019. If accused, they can usually post bond.That might be true in North Dakota. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 24 15:12:28 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. Not to start another thread, it was reported on Monday that 3 IRT c/r's were spat on in one day.As it is they wear eye protection. What are they supposed to do now, wear full face shields? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jul 24 16:22:50 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 10:04:04 2019. "I know, I had done that for a red light violation which was BOGUS and the officer knew it would not stand up."Yep, happened with me too. Got a speeding ticket (via radar) doing 51 in a 45 which I too thought was bogus. Rolled the dice pled not guilty, got a court date. I showed up, the cop (Dutchess Co. Sheriff) didn't. Judge bangs gavel & sez "Dismissed...failure to prosecuit" Bottom line, with traffic violations always plead not guilty & get a court date. If the cop don't show, you go home & you save on the fine & Insurance rate hikes. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 16:49:02 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 24 12:10:13 2019. Why should it not be true in Nooyork? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 17:16:33 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 24 15:12:28 2019. The LION has a plan for this. It will look ugly on the new trains, but so what. It can be built into subsequent models.1) Remove the existing windows. 2) Install a pair of hinged windows that open outward 3) There is a third window on the outside. This is pushed open when you open the inside windows. This puts the conductor in a protected box when he leans out of the train. 4) When the train leaves the station this window will try to close automatically after a run of about 100'. If the conductor tries to hold it open beyond this the train goes BIE. Just think of like one of the side windows on a side-window caboose, except that you fold it out when you need it and it closes when you are done with it. The power to open it comes from the conductor's box of Wheaties. A motor, springs or an air piston will try to close it after the train starts moving. ROAR |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 24 18:05:22 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 22 12:37:31 2019. I would argue that sincere repentance is fundamentally at odds with waiting until your deathbed. Sincere repentance requires being genuinely regretful for your wrongs and putting in the effort to right them. Genuine regret is impossible to schedule, so you could never really choose to do it on your deathbed. Even if you just happened to experience genuine regret on your deathbed, God could fairly interpret that as a reaction to your impending death and classify it as motivated predominantly by desire to avoid the consequences of your actions— after all, prisons are full of people who genuinely regret their actions but wouldn't if they hadn't gotten caught. And finally, repentance requires more than regretting your wrongful actions, it requires putting in effort to right them and that's close to impossible to pull off when you're on your deathbed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 24 18:08:11 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 16:49:02 2019. New York has more than six people. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 24 18:26:56 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jul 24 10:04:04 2019. I was providing a new option for those who as plead guilty.Yes, but that doesn't really address the issue of jails being overcrowded with remandees, nor the implicit and closely related issue of innocent people pleading guilty specifically because pleading guilty carries a lesser punishment than being acquitted at trial. I know, I had done that for a red light violation which was BOGUS and the officer knew it would not stand up. It was bogus? I thought that "if Nice to see you've come around on that, so here's a quick question for you. Imagine you were arrested on a bogus charge more serious than a red light violation. You were brought before the judge and offered this choice: 1. Plead guilty. Get 10 lashes. Go home. 2. Plead not guilty. Be remanded to jail for 120 days awaiting trial. After 120 days in jail, you will be acquitted at trial and be allowed to go home. What choice do you make? What choice do you think would be made by an innocent person with a job they can't afford to lose, where 120 days in jail means they won't have a home to go back to once they're released? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 24 20:40:19 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 24 18:05:22 2019. But an all powerful god could appropriately test all deathbed repenters: by saving their life. If they don’t immediately show a change in their life, then he could strike them down. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 24 20:40:48 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 24 18:08:11 2019. But it still doesn’t have more than two senators. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 25 10:44:10 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 24 20:40:48 2019. PRAISE THE LORD! |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 25 10:46:55 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Nilet on Wed Jul 24 18:26:56 2019. Problem, isn't it.But then *I* could post bond, or be released on my own recognizance, after all, I have no record. Even Murderers can be released on their own Recognizance. ROAR |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 25 16:24:02 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight’s conductor assault?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 20 03:16:43 2019. They do them in Dublin all the time! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Jul 25 17:43:31 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight’s conductor assault?, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Jul 25 16:24:02 2019. think Dublin is not in taylor law region , just sayinn. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Thu Jul 25 18:56:58 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 21 18:57:44 2019. I got it from working 20 years at NYCT. My dues have only gone up when we got a raise and only by the percentage of our raise. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 25 21:26:39 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 24 20:40:19 2019. Yes, but since direct divine intervention of that caliber never happens, we know that no god capable of it exists.I mean, on some level theological discussion does need to yield to observable reality. Besides, wouldn't an all-powerful god be capable of determining what someone would do under rigidly controlled circumstances without needing to physically manifest those circumstances? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 25 21:26:44 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight’s conductor assault?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 20 03:16:43 2019. You agree with big government making strikes illegal? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 25 21:26:46 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 25 10:46:55 2019. It's a problem, but the only solution you can think of is to note that you, personally, will not suffer from it.That suggests a certain disregard for the lives of other people. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Jul 25 22:24:53 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 25 10:46:55 2019. murderers should never be released on bail .The purpose of bond is to force you to show up for your court hearings by putting a large price that you are unwilling to loose .many people put up those home as collateral . The no bond crowd (the leaders of the movement not people sympathetic to their over simplified narrative ) want to decriminalize any offense and destabilize society because of European imperialism. The city council just passed a measure telling ACS that smoking pot around children is not harmful to children and thus you can’t remove a child from the home. Two issues , if you are high you are not properly parenting your child and two , the child’s brain is being negatively effected leading to permanent damage . I’m not for locking up people from smoking pot responsibly , but around children. . That’s wrong. The facts are clear , low income communities of color suffer the worst by not locking up people within the community that are acting against the law. They face the brunt of the crime and disorder Middle class people of color , Asian and midwestern white transplants have the financial means to pick up and move . It’s sad that the major expansion of the middle class from communities of color is ignored to focus on those who are not, |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 25 22:44:46 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Brightonr68 on Thu Jul 25 22:24:53 2019. LOL! |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 26 08:12:18 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Nilet on Thu Jul 25 21:26:46 2019. That suggests a certain disregard for the lives of other people.Have you heard the expression "cloistered?" :) |
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