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[ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 03:18:42 2019 
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 4 03:56:11 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 03:18:42 2019. Looks like the Hempstead Branch is getting another stop... |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Jul 4 04:25:07 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 03:18:42 2019. Waste of taxpayer dollars. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 04:57:42 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Union Tpke on Thu Jul 4 04:25:07 2019. Waste of taxpayer dollars.And a half mile shuttle from the new station to the new arena. Shuttle buses ? Bill Newkirk |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by aaron on Thu Jul 4 13:16:02 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 03:18:42 2019. That's a long walk. Belmont Park is 1.5 miles around the dirt track... |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by lirr42 on Thu Jul 4 18:49:01 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 04:57:42 2019. The arena developer has said previously that they would likely run shuttles from the development on the south side of the track to a Main Line station. If they're going to do that, they might as well just continue another few thousand feet to Bellerose station... Four stations in 1.65 miles is nearly subway stop spacing!New Main Line Station for Belmont Park |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:53:23 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by lirr42 on Thu Jul 4 18:49:01 2019. Interesting read. Probably the best bet is to rebuild the rest of the Belmont Park station since it will be closest to the new arena.A new station with a shuttle bus connection is totally useless according to this article. And I agree. When Nassau Coliseum was closed for renovation, they should have razed it and built first class arena like the one proposed. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jul 5 05:56:32 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:53:23 2019. I'm not quite seeing as how the proposed development will create enough rail demand to justify a new station. It's really just the Islanders arena that counts, for 41 games a year. The shopping mall (people still go to them?) and hotel aren't likely to create much demand. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by numbersix on Fri Jul 5 05:57:58 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 04:57:42 2019. Horsecars pulled by the losers of the previous day's races. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jul 5 06:28:18 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:53:23 2019. And Nassau Coliseum should have a rail link too via the remains of the LIRR Central Branch. Not ideal as it neglects those coming from the east, but it would be a start.The whole Belmont Park thing is ridiculous. If they're going to use a shuttle bus, Bellerose is fine with some added switches to its east. And rest assured the $100 million will balloon to $1 billion by the time the whole thing is said and done. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Jul 5 06:32:46 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jul 5 06:28:18 2019. spend the money on washing the filty trains instead. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Jul 6 06:00:49 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Jul 4 03:56:11 2019. Hempstead only runs hourly during the day. All in all, a dumb idea. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Jul 7 02:28:32 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:53:23 2019. I agree the best location for the Islanders is the one they left! Shame on Nassau County/Town of Hempstead for chasing them away! |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 8 13:07:37 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 03:18:42 2019. From MTA.info:New LIRR Station The new train station will be located between the Queens Village and Bellerose stations on the LIRR's Main Line, just east of the Cross Island Parkway. Electric shuttle buses - which are already planned to run from parking lots within Belmont Park to the arena site - will also serve LIRR riders traveling to the grandstand and planned arena, hotel and retail village. In addition, the new full-time station will relieve pressure on the existing Belmont spur station during major events like the Belmont Stakes and provide critically-needed redundancy if there is a service disruption to the spur, as occurred in 2018. Importantly, the new station will provide direct service to Belmont Park from both the east and west, as opposed to the LIRR spur, which can only provide westbound service. Now, instead of forcing Long Islanders coming from the east of Belmont to ride past Belmont Park to Jamaica Station and then transfer to a train that backtracks to the spur, travelers who live east of Belmont on the Hempstead, Oyster Bay, Port Jefferson and Ronkonkoma branches will have a one-seat public transit ride straight to Belmont Park. This will reduce travel times and is expected to increase the number of event attendees who use public transportation rather than driving, reducing congestion. In addition to providing a regular, full-time public transit option to and from Belmont Park and the new arena, hotel and retail village, the new train station will also serve as an additional commuting option for area residents - something the community has needed for years. The station is expected to receive service approximately every half hour during peak times and hourly during off-peak periods. The parking lot north of the Belmont race track, which has 2,860 spaces, will be shared by commuters and arena patrons. Previously-agreed-to upgrades to the existing LIRR Belmont spur, including the installation of automated track switches, are still included in the project. These upgrades will allow trains leaving the spur after an event to serve stations both east and west of Belmont - providing another post-event public transit option for attendees. Constructing the new full-time station on the LIRR's Main Line and upgrading the existing spur is estimated to cost $105 million. The arena developers will cover $97 million - 92 percent of the total cost - and the State will invest $8 million. |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 8 14:16:50 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 8 13:07:37 2019. Thanks for the update.the new train station will also serve as an additional commuting option for area residents - something the community has needed for years. Even with Bellerose station nearby ? Bill Newkirk |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Pragmatist on Mon Jul 8 14:52:22 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Jul 8 14:16:50 2019. It adds the ability to sell commuter parking... |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 8 18:48:38 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 8 13:07:37 2019. I wonder which low budget company will run these electric buses. |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by lirr42 on Mon Jul 8 18:58:35 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 8 13:07:37 2019. Updated with some additional details from today's announcements and the release of the FEIS, which goes into more depth about the new station and the service that would be provided: New Main Line Station for Belmont Park |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 9 10:46:58 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 03:18:42 2019. Why can't they use the current route to the racetrack? |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jul 9 10:59:20 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 9 10:46:58 2019. Why can't they use the current route to the racetrack?Trains from the east carrying arena goers would have to cross over four tracks to access the Belmont Park spur. Big no-no especially with the rush hour. Bill Newkirk |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:06:03 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 9 10:46:58 2019. Because the current station is off the mainline, and harder to run trains to. This will work out better, as any train could now stop there that passes. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:15:14 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by lirr42 on Thu Jul 4 18:49:01 2019. They should probably just abandon the old Belerose Station, and combine the stop with this one. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:16:07 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:53:23 2019. Yes. This is ridiculous. The new arena should be in Uniondale, not here. But this is better than the Islanders at Barclays. That was ridiculous. It was never a NYC team. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:17:06 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jul 5 05:56:32 2019. They should just move the Belerose station over a bit, and combine it with this one, and abandon the old Belerose site, similar to how in the 80's most of the Ronkonkoma Branch stations were shuffled around |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:18:38 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Jul 5 06:28:18 2019. Yes. that is what SHOULD have been done if asshole politicians didn't get involved. New arena at Nassau Coliseum, and rail service via the old Central Branch. Done. Most people from Eastern Long Island drive anyway, and it would be useful for a rail connection from the west. |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:20:40 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 8 18:48:38 2019. Maybe they need an people mover sort of thing like at some airports, lol. |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 11:30:07 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:20:40 2019. IceTrain Belmont. An even bigger boondoggle than the Airtrain LGA! |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:35:13 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 11:30:07 2019. LOL |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 9 14:55:58 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:15:14 2019. The current station is more convenient to the community than a station that will only get used for sporting events. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 9 16:54:12 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jul 9 10:59:20 2019. So what? |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 9 16:55:28 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 9 11:06:03 2019. There is no problem running trains there during racing season. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 9 17:12:04 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 9 16:55:28 2019. ???What don't you understand about access from all the other branches on that line do t you get? |
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Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jul 10 02:37:10 2019, in response to Re: [MTA Release] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jul 8 13:07:37 2019. This makes it sound like a worthwhile project. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jul 10 03:44:55 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Jul 9 10:59:20 2019. What would be the difference be for the "new station" and a fly over/under? |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jul 10 04:01:43 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 9 16:55:28 2019. Race special trains are run at off peak hours where they can be timed to minimize impact on regularly scheduled services and changing at Jamaica is no big deal. It is much different during hockey season where you will want bulk of trains arriving between 6 and 6:45 when Jamaica is extremely crowded with eastbound peak trains filled with commuters. Imagine holding up all those riders so one train destined for Belmont can cross 4 tracks to access the current layout. That doesn’t account for trains held behind them further impacting service because you only have so much space to hold a train. |
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Belmont Park Station/Junction |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 10 07:33:55 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Jul 5 02:53:23 2019. I agree. That whole junction should be rebuilt with a new bridge capable of holding two tracks and flyovers so trains coming from east of and going to points west of Belmont Park would be able to reach such without having to cross over all of the other tracks to do it. That would more easily allow the existing Belmont Park station to be used not only for the new arena, but also as a park-and-ride and as I think will eventually happen also a Casino being added there. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 10 08:53:11 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jul 10 04:01:43 2019. Thank you mtk52983 for the explanation. I was not aware of the high magnitude of service as compared to Metra. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Jul 10 08:55:04 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jul 9 17:12:04 2019. I am not from New York, and I wasn't aware of the high magnitude of LIRR service that might impede such service. There was no reason to get condescending about it. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Jul 10 14:51:27 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Jul 9 10:46:58 2019. Any train going to the current Belmont Race Track station has to be an extra train because the tracks end in a bumper block. For example, it's not like you can have a Ronkonkoma train come in to Belmont, back out, then continue to Ronkonkoma. And coming from Ronkonkoma it would have to cross over all 4 tracks. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jul 10 16:44:57 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Chicagomotorman on Tue Jul 9 16:55:28 2019. They only run two race specials each way each racing day except for Belmont Stakes day, so that doesn't significantly affect the regular service. |
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Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jul 10 16:49:07 2019, in response to Belmont Park Station/Junction, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 10 07:33:55 2019. Don't count on the casino or racino. I was driving back from Pennsylvania on Sunday night and had hoped to stop at Monticello Raceway for a few minutes when I discovered that the racino has been permanently closed. It might have been a good place for Nassau OTB's casino, but the politicians wimped out and transferred those 1,000 machines to Resorts World in Queens.I'd like to see a flying junction there too, but this one isn't about creating jobs or making things more efficient; it's more about maximizing noise at minimum cost. |
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Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 10 18:38:09 2019, in response to Belmont Park Station/Junction, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 10 07:33:55 2019. LOL! |
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Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 11 02:23:39 2019, in response to Belmont Park Station/Junction, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jul 10 07:33:55 2019. That whole junction should be rebuilt with a new bridge capable of holding two tracks and flyovers so trains coming from east of and going to points west of Belmont Park would be able to reach such without having to cross over all of the other tracks to do it.All that for several Islander games ? Bill Newkirk |
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[ARTICLE] Floral Park Not Happy - Was: LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 11 06:54:10 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] New LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 4 03:18:42 2019. |
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Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jul 11 07:01:56 2019, in response to Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction, posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jul 10 16:49:07 2019. The Monticello situation is a lot different. They opened a larger casino near there. |
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Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jul 11 07:03:20 2019, in response to Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 11 02:23:39 2019. No. Also to be able to make Belmont a park-and-ride facility year round AND allow in case situations warrant either the Casino currently at Aqueduct being moved there OR a new Casino using some of the grandstand at Belmont down the road. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] Floral Park Not Happy - Was: LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jul 11 07:13:49 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] Floral Park Not Happy - Was: LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 11 06:54:10 2019. Oh my God, someone is building something in the next town over. The world will end! |
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Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Jul 11 07:14:28 2019, in response to Re: Belmont Park Station/Junction, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Jul 11 07:03:20 2019. belmont HAS 2 tracks since it was built. |
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Re: [ARTICLE] Floral Park Not Happy - Was: LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 08:15:17 2019, in response to [ARTICLE] Floral Park Not Happy - Was: LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Jul 11 06:54:10 2019. Individuals threatening to fill a lawsuit? Based on what criteria? Nothing is being changed in Floral Park, just the next town over.Have these crybaby NIMBY's ever thought the new development in Elmont will bring full time and mostly part time jobs to their children and grandchildren? |
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Re: [ARTICLE] Floral Park Not Happy - Was: LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Thu Jul 11 08:30:50 2019, in response to Re: [ARTICLE] Floral Park Not Happy - Was: LIRR train station planned for Belmont Park, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jul 11 08:15:17 2019. next town over is bellrose. |
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