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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 13:57:02 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 20 13:51:36 2019.

Google Transit said to go that way and that is what they will do.

Say someone lives along the L Line. They go to Manhattan on a weekend using the L. It's an absolutely miserable trip. They'll start asking around, how else can I do this next time? Someone will tell them how to use the M or the G, or even the A or the 3, whichever makes most sense for their situation.





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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Apr 20 14:47:34 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 19 14:55:05 2019.

whether imperial families, captains of industry, etc, dynastic succession is always tricky. Typically the "founder" is a smart opportunist with serious work ethic, but the descendents are often complete losers. It is difficult to raise a prince within the palace without spoiling him. The Ottoman Turks used to send the boys to livewith some provincial nobility away from the palace intrigues, and encouraged murder within the family--as in kill your half brother so he doesn't kill you. That dynasty holds the record for a "single" ruling family remaining in control--600 years.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Shiznit1987 on Sat Apr 20 15:00:21 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Allan on Fri Apr 19 09:30:39 2019.

Ayup. Bad move. Guiliani fired Bratton in his prime for the same reason.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 20 15:09:54 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 13:57:02 2019.

I have a bunch of student survey takers where they work. I know how these Millenials think. They can't read maps or timetables. When they encounter any complications or confusions, it's "call Uber".

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 15:17:22 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 20 15:09:54 2019.

I know how these Millenials think.

LOL. Millenials are no more homogeneous than any other age group.



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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Apr 21 04:33:00 2019, in response to NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Apr 19 09:09:13 2019.

Let me do my job

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Sun Apr 21 06:47:24 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 20 13:54:30 2019.

Yes, he was. He came on a year into Ford’s term as mayor. At least Ford stepped down in 2014 when his term was up. Cuomo has no intention of leaving office (unless he actually does decide to run for President!).

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Apr 21 07:05:40 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 15:17:22 2019.

I'm 77 and I can use a computer ,google things and search for re-routes. It isn't fair to tag everybody in a group as being incompetent.:)

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Most Telling? was: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Col...

Posted by b/p rupture on Sun Apr 21 20:12:27 2019, in response to NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by GojiMet86 on Fri Apr 19 09:09:13 2019.

I read this line and had to laugh: {Ms. Lever is Gov. Cuomo's spokesperson.}
But Ms. Lever said the $40 billion price tag for Mr. Byford’s overhaul plan was “an incredible sum to come by.” She also said Mr. Cuomo expected more progress from the transit authority after he secured new funding through congestion pricing.
Really? "expected more progress" from a scam that has yet to have a price, who pays vs. who doesn't, or a collection system, or a distribution process. In other words, has yet to produce one cent in revenue, and won't until after the 2020 election cycle.
<cynical mode="on"> and if it does for the 'subways',{MNRR & LIRR are already getting a piece}, what 50 years of NYS lottery has done for schools... don't hold your breath.<cynical mode="off">

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Re: Most Telling? was: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Col...

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Apr 22 06:18:32 2019, in response to Most Telling? was: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Col..., posted by b/p rupture on Sun Apr 21 20:12:27 2019.

Not that I'm defending King Andrew...but perhaps she meant a new funding source (emphasis added)

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Re: Most Telling? was: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Col...

Posted by italianstallion on Mon Apr 22 11:21:58 2019, in response to Re: Most Telling? was: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Col..., posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Mon Apr 22 06:18:32 2019.

Even if, the point stands. That funding source has not yet begun to produce. So how could there more progress?

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 22 14:12:40 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Apr 21 07:05:40 2019.

Good post.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:32:36 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 20 04:06:30 2019.

You do realize that their smartphones that you malign actually tell them which way is the fastest?

I'd SMDH, but I'm not surprised at your grumpy-old-man thinking.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:35:25 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 05:20:08 2019.

Those with smartphones are better off. I only ever ride mass transit or driving using a navigation app. I use GPS on my daily commute despite knowing every curve on every road I drive on and practically every possible alternate route.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:36:45 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 20 13:51:36 2019.

I can do all those things, but I use apps instead because they are superior.

I also use a calculator instead of an abacus or slide rule, and a computer instead of a quill and parchment.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:38:19 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 13:57:02 2019.

Google Transit will tell them that it's 20 minutes to wait for the L and will offer them a faster route. Google Transit will also alert them of delays on the L.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:39:55 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 22 14:12:40 2019.

IAWTP. Awesome post.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 22 14:42:13 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by AlM on Sat Apr 20 05:20:08 2019.

I don't have a smartphone.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:42:17 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 20 15:09:54 2019.

I only read maps and timetables because I like to study the system. I use apps exclusively for navigation. Again, even where I know exactly where everything is.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 22 15:06:07 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:39:55 2019.

I have friend, same age as me, who uses a computer but admits he is not good at it. He can't save photos I send him in emails, all I do is right click and do a"save as". He can save them if I mail them to his cell phone, then he puts them on a flash drive.



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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 22 15:15:34 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:42:17 2019.

I love my Apple Car Play in my car. My iPhone has to be connected,enter your destination on your phone, then it starts working on your pop-up screen above the radio.

My 2019 Altima. Pop up screen above radio

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:48:53 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:32:36 2019.

Which go according to trains schedules that cannot be met. I am a realist, not a Smartphone addict. Grumpy old man know some geography and reroutes without referring to Apps.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:51:29 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:38:19 2019.

When the train sits at that station for 5 minutes shutting the doors with 20 minute intervals, Google Transit will not predict that, nor additional delays that will occur on the way in.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:52:45 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 14:35:25 2019.

I drive 11 miles of side streets and can detours without any assistance.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:57:40 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 22 14:42:13 2019.

I bring it with me on trips, but I don't bother turning it on. Don't need to, unless I need to call a cab or AAA, which is hardly ever. E-mails can wait until I get home.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:28:54 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Apr 22 14:42:13 2019.

Really? Wow.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:29:30 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:57:40 2019.

What if you lose it? Then you can’t find it. I never turn off. That’s what do not disturb is for.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:30:02 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 22 15:06:07 2019.

Sounds like he’s trying his best.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:30:22 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Apr 22 15:15:34 2019.

I have that. It’s fucking awesome.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:33:56 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:48:53 2019.

At least in the subway, it uses the same feed as the next train display.

I am a realist and I know that using paper timetables is foolish and obsolete.*

Maybe you have ESP and you can predict a car accident miles ahead, but the rest of us use apps for that. I use an app that routes me around those every time, while you get stuck for an hour. Not turning on your GPS every time is unbelievably careless.

*Unless you want to prepare for a dead battery, then it’s OK.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:38:47 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:51:29 2019.

Nor will your beloved dead tree schedules.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:39:30 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 22 15:52:45 2019.

How awful. You are suffering needlessly.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 23 00:32:46 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:30:22 2019.

It sure is! My car is the base model, so no built in navigation system, but hooking up your iPhone does the trick.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 23 00:38:07 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:30:02 2019.

He's a former teacher and was telling me there is certain of your brain that helps you understand how to use computers. He says he is one of the people who lacks that skill. Otherwise, he's better than most, he remembers number sequences, which trolley car became which rebuilt trolley car in a city, etc.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 03:46:52 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 23 00:32:46 2019.

The built in navigation is worse than CarPlay (or Android Auto). No one should buy it.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Apr 23 08:52:19 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 03:46:52 2019.

Android Auto is horrible.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 09:14:16 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Apr 23 08:52:19 2019.

I don't use Android so I don't know. I'm surprised, though. I love CarPlay and I figured the Android equivalent would be as good.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Apr 23 10:41:10 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 09:14:16 2019.

I'm surprised the Android version does not work well. Well, glad I have the IPhone CarPlay , it's crystal clear, voice and map. :). Thanks, Spider-Pig. Sorry, N6 Limited

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:28:51 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:33:56 2019.

I don't have traffic situations like that. I also stay off I-287.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:29:12 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:39:30 2019.

No stress of suffering at all.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:30:23 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:29:30 2019.

It is in a harness, buckled shut, on my belt. It is not getting lost.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:38:29 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 22 17:39:30 2019.

Where I live in New Jersey is not like Queens or Nassau. Except in the mile square boros, it's open country, 35 - 40 MPH. No grid system of streets to speak of. I also have to cross a river with a parallel canal. There are not that many routing options.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:42:34 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:28:51 2019.

Then your unique situation is not applicable to anyone else.

Of course, before smartphones, I would often avoid highways and probably gain no time and possibly lose time on local streets. Smartphones have been a boon. You shouldn't be such a luddite.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:43:28 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:29:12 2019.

How chill. Now the rest of us like saving time to do other things besides driving.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:50:59 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:38:29 2019.

I've used the detour in NJ too. Like when it told me to take the Eastern Spur instead of the Western Spur going up to I-80. In the old days I would have taken the Western Spur no questions asked unless I heard something on the radio.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:55:58 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:42:34 2019.

If I took I-287, it would be 1 mile longer and save 5 minutes. It is also dangerous with a lot of accidents.

I drive 11 miles and take a county bus the final 6 miles, which is the worst portion, a dangerous road with drivers doing stupid things, and there is no highway alternative. Also save me parking. I work in downtown New Brunswick.

Nothing "luddite" about not referring to a Smartphone for such a trip. It simply has no use. For long road trips, I have a conventional Garmin auto GPS. Also have a Dash cam, which I always turn on.

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Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 23 13:57:48 2019, in response to Re: NYT: Subway Chief May Quit Over Tensions With Cuomo, Colleagues Fear, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 23 13:50:59 2019.

I don't go anywhere near that. Never been on the Garden State Pkwy or Turnpike in the 27 years I have been living here. No need to.

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