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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 03:07:31 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Mar 25 18:11:44 2019. The glass enclosed fire extinguisher places were eliminated after rowdy youths broke the glass and sprayed the extinguisher powder all over the interiors of the cars about the same time as the graffiti epidemic started. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 03:13:16 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 25 22:50:08 2019. I think the MTA has decided that a 60ft car for divisions that can accept it is the right size for a rapid transit car on the NYCTS. Sometime in the early 1950s there was an article that appeared in ERA Headlights written if I recall by Sidney H.Bingham who was the head of the B of T at the time that mentioned that after careful research and experimentation, it was determined that 60 ft was the optimal length for a rapid transit car operating on the NYCTS. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 03:17:25 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Mar 25 21:21:58 2019. There are probably enough places on the NYCTS that can’t be shaved any more to accommodate cars that won’t easily fit. There are also other factors to be considered besides horizontal end and center excess. There are areas on the system where up and downgrades can impact on VERTICAL end and center excesses as well and those can’t be as easily modified. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Mar 26 09:52:38 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 03:07:31 2019. Thank you!I knew I wasn't seeing things. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Mar 26 09:55:35 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 03:07:31 2019. I also remember a small little chrome frame with a red plastic or glass insert near the top and to the right of the end doors.I think this was to open the doors in an emergency? I think now they are also covered. is this true? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 26 09:59:20 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 25 22:50:08 2019. 75' cars was an experiment that was a dismal failure not to be repeated.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 26 10:05:15 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Mar 25 21:21:58 2019. This is the dumbest idea of all.Just eliminate the 75' mistake. ROAR |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 15:08:57 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by rbseabeach on Tue Mar 26 09:55:35 2019. ON the T-44s and 46s, there was an emergency switch by the end doors to be used in case of emergency. As soon as the rowdy teenagers discovered it, they would break the glass and operate the switch. At the time, if an end door unlock light illuminated on the console the M/M was required to stop the train and investigate which delayed service so the feature was removed and not included on the R-68s at all. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 15:09:42 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 26 09:59:20 2019. I definitely agree. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 15:10:23 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 26 10:05:15 2019. Being done gradually. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Tue Mar 26 15:34:28 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 15:08:57 2019. thank you |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 26 15:43:06 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 03:13:16 2019. What was the point of purchasing the R68/68a as 75ft cars knowing they were going to be locked in for 40 years?The 68s were basically replacement cars for the southern division lines. All of them went to routes based out of there..or routes that operated there. B/D/N and Q. The 46s were Queens cars...the 44s were exclusively assigned to the A line. The true purpose of these cars were never fulfilled bu any means..so what was the point? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 26 15:56:30 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 25 22:50:08 2019. Whatever.Point A to B is what I want. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 26 16:04:04 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by K. Trout on Tue Mar 26 00:07:00 2019. The R211 option order has 4 car sets included.I would assume these cars would be 211T models since the point is create more "room" for riders.In this case these cars most likely will be seen on the L line |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 16:04:17 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 15:08:57 2019. That should be R-44s. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Mar 26 16:11:48 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 26 15:43:06 2019. Initially, the R-44s were not assigned exclusively to the A Line. They were divided among the A, D, E, and F lines. None of the cars were intended for any specific lines, it just worked out that way. Even the R-10s which became pretty much synonymous with the iND A Line were not all intended for the IND. The 3000 series cars (although it was never made clear if it were only 3000- 3099 or the entire 3000 series) were supposed to be for the BMT. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 26 17:22:49 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 25 21:55:43 2019. Why was that ? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Mar 26 17:41:16 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 26 17:22:49 2019. Sideswipes on some of the curves.RAOR |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Mar 26 22:16:37 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 26 15:56:30 2019. IAWTP |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 27 00:35:30 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Edwards! on Tue Mar 26 16:04:04 2019. But AFAIK none of the 4 car sets are supposed to be open gangway. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Wed Mar 27 12:22:06 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 25 22:50:08 2019. Don't forget the E train.Their seating arrangement would somewhat discourage overnight tenants. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 27 15:09:35 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Mar 25 22:50:08 2019. Actually at the present time the BMT Eastern operates the newest rolling stock on the NYCTS. In fact since the 1930s, the BMT Eastern has had the newest equipment on the BMT starting with the Multis and continuing with the R-16s in the 1950s. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Mar 27 18:35:09 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 27 15:09:35 2019. I've read many complains on here about how poorly the eastern division is and why do they have the lousy R42s and the old time R32s and blah blah blah. You're the expert here but in my opinion the 75 ft cars do serve a worthy purpose on some select lines. This idea of uniformity across the entire system is not a well thought out policy. Not all the lines are the same and they demand cars to meet their unique needs. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 27 19:28:14 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Mar 27 18:35:09 2019. The Eastern Division is a much different animal than the rest of the former BMT and the IND, with car length and train length. Perhaps its lines should have been designated with Roman Numerals to distinguish from the rest of the B Division. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Mar 27 19:50:33 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 27 19:28:14 2019. Suggest it.It's not too late. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 28 17:09:21 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Mar 27 18:35:09 2019. Actually, the ideal situation would be one standard sized railcar that could be used on the entire transit system but the differences on the IRT make that impractical necessitating 2 sizes of railcar for the system or else having an entire fleet of 51 ft long 9 ft wide cars. The differences in train length can be dealt with relatively easily and if the MTA really wanted to, it could extend the platforms in the Eastern to handle 10 car trains of 60 footers. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 28 18:28:26 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 28 17:09:21 2019. Chambers Street would be very difficult and expensive |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Mar 28 18:35:57 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 28 17:09:21 2019. If I have to spend an hour and a half or more like I do when I start out on B. 116th to go to upper Manhattan or the Bronx I appreciate the spaciousness of a 75 foot car. I avoid the IRT if I can so I won't have to travel on those sardine cans. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 29 15:12:38 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 28 18:28:26 2019. Not necessarily. The way the switches are located there should be room for realignment. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sat Mar 30 18:12:45 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 19 22:05:53 2019. With 100+ comments about 75 foot cars, pros and cons, no one mentioned what will happen on the Franklin Ave. Shuttle when all the 75 foot cars are gone. You would have to use 2 60 foot cars, or run 3 60 foot cars, closing the first and last sets of doors in the end cars. Are the stations about 160 feet? Can the shuttle handle 2 60 foot cars without too much over crowding? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Mar 30 18:19:42 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by jabrams on Sat Mar 30 18:12:45 2019. Any gapping issues if 2 60 footers are used there? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 31 02:26:45 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by jabrams on Sat Mar 30 18:12:45 2019. The Franklin Shuttle platforms were built to be 180', so 3 60'ers will berth just fine.They will have to order custom length trainsets of 3 cars to accommodate this, though. I will say that this is a perfect opportunity for Open Gangway trains... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 31 03:10:35 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 31 02:26:45 2019. The easiest way would be to lengthen the platforms to 240’ and call it a day. It would be a significantly cheaper project than what they are/were planning to do at Times Square with the shuttle. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 31 06:28:50 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 31 02:26:45 2019. They could turn three 4-car sets into-3 car sets, then turn three 4-car sets in 5 car-sets. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Mar 31 10:22:42 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 31 03:10:35 2019. Today's cpu controller cars can easily be programmed not to open any set of doors at any station . It is just software . So no need to extend platforms at stations where trains just don't fit of barely fit . Much cheaper than actually construction with nyc criminally high labor rates . Just reconfigure front car by removing some seats or reconfigure seats to allow access to second door to reduced potentially added dwell time. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Mar 31 11:58:10 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 31 06:28:50 2019. That goes along nicely with the reduced need for 8 car trains considering the (eventual) goal of 10 car C trains. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 31 13:19:51 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Brightonr68 on Sun Mar 31 10:22:42 2019. Or, if need be, draft a few R62s equipped with gap skirts. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:25:07 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by jabrams on Sat Mar 30 18:12:45 2019. Actually, I would look at re-lengthening those stations to handle 600' trains with the intention of possibly building a connection between what's left of the Myrtle Avenue EL and Franklin Avenue lines with the idea of a new Myrtle-Brighton line that would absorb the Franklin Avenue Shuttle (that would be 480' trains until the remaining Myrtle EL stations can be rebuilt to 600 feet). |
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Posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Mar 31 15:32:37 2019, in response to Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:25:07 2019. I would actually like to see that since I don’t get why they went with a grade crossing at Fulton Street.Would Broadway or Metropolitan Avenue be the terminal? I’m only asking since I’m worried M trains won’t have 24 hour service |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 31 15:36:57 2019, in response to Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:25:07 2019. Pray tell, why would you build such a Myrtle-Brighton Line? Is Amazonbuilding its new HQ in Coney Island or Brighton Beach? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:39:15 2019, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by R42ToMoffat on Sun Mar 31 15:32:37 2019. Metropolitan and both lines would operate at all times. This would likely also include rebuilding the upper level of Broadway and other necessary work to make the entire Myrtle-Broadway station ADA accessible.The one station on the Myrtle El portion of what likely becomes a "Black (V)" train that probably would be rebuilt is Sumner Avenue before going to where they can be a transfer to the (G) and then Franklin Avenue, followed by the existing shuttle stops and then running as a 24/7 Brighton Local to Coney Island (in this, the (B) would also become a Brighton Local while the (Q) becomes the Brighton Express 24/7 to Brighton Beach though also remaining local and extended to Coney Island late nights). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:49:29 2019, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 31 15:36:57 2019. I had noted this idea some time ago, connecting the existing Myrtle El with the existing Franklin Avenue Line to form a new crosstown line. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 31 15:57:10 2019, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:39:15 2019. If most people are gonna transfer out at B'Way/Myrtle and Fulton/Franklin, why would you need a connector like this? brighton and Myrtle riders want to go to Manhattan, not to each other's neighborhoods! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 31 15:57:41 2019, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:49:29 2019. WHY??? |
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Posted by zac on Sun Mar 31 17:58:38 2019, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 31 15:57:10 2019. While I'm hardly typical, I do have an occasional need to cross those neighborhoods. It would allow me to get to Williamsburg without having to go into Manhattan and then back to Brooklyn. Whether it would be any faster is a different question.But alas, just more fantasy from Wallyhorse. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 31 19:16:15 2019, in response to Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Mar 31 15:25:07 2019. The cesspool of incompetence that passes for MTA planning should have rebuilt the Franklin Shuttle with full 600 ft platforms double tracked all the way to Fkln with a new island platform built at Fkln. That way the Fkln Line could be used to accept rerouted trains off the Brighton Line in the event of a serious service disruption on either the Manny B or in the Montague St Tunnel. There might even be a market for an additional Brighton Lcl service to supplement the Qs allowing Brighton passengers to ride to Fkln and change there for 8 Av service instead of taking a Q to Dekalb and an R to Metrotech or a B to W 4 St. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 31 19:43:53 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 31 13:19:51 2019. Since the R-62s are older than R-68s, how exactly would that work? |
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Posted by zac on Sun Mar 31 21:53:57 2019, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 31 19:16:15 2019. You're more delirious than Wallyhorse. That would be a train to nowhere. And just how long would it take with that transfer? A B to W4th takes about 20-25 minutes from Prospect Park. It would take that long just to get down to the C train at Franklin.If they wanted to run more Qs they'd run more Qs. There is still some capacity. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 31 22:21:13 2019, in response to Re: Will there be new 75-foot cars?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 31 19:43:53 2019. What does the age of the car have to do with it? I was thinking that the smaller IRT car (using the R62 as an example) would provide more flexibility w/o any major platform extentions when the last of the 75ft cars go to the reef. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Mar 31 22:31:32 2019, in response to Re: Franklin Avenue Shuttle, posted by zac on Sun Mar 31 21:53:57 2019. When I saw Wallyhorse posting about the Franklin Ave shuttle, I said, "He's not going to reroute it, is he? I have to read this." |
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