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Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 14 11:01:46 2019 Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 – The Third Avenue Thru-Express in the Summer of 1938 Interborough Rapid Transit Company Manhattan Elevated Division Summer 1938 Rt. Third Avenue Thru-Express The Third Avenue Thru-Express was in operation from July 1917 to May 1955 a little short of thirty eight years. We will look at its operation in the summer of 1938. It ran between East 241st Street in the Bronx and City Hall in Manhattan. Trains ran over the subway division’s White Plains Road line between East 241st Street and East 219th Street. Service then continued over the Third Avenue El between Gun Hill Road and City Hall. The Thru-Express ran express in both the Bronx and Manhattan and used the upper level tracks between 149th Street and 125th Street. Southbound trains left East 241st Street Monday through Saturday from 6:49 AM to 8:20 AM. Northbound trains left City Hall Monday through Friday from 4:55 PM to 6:22 PM. There was no northbound thru-express service for the Saturday noon rush. Additional southbound trains left Gun Hill Road on weekdays at 7:15, 7:27 and 7:34 AM Northbound they left City Hall at 5:24, 5:31 and 5:45 PM Weekday train consisted of seven Composite type motor cars with an occasional train of Gate cars. The Saturday trains ran six Composites. Since the Composites were considered too heavy to operate on the local tracks they ran light in the opposite direction. The 241st Street Thru-Expresses carried White-White markers. The Gun Hill Road-City Hall trains carried Yellow-Green markers. Source: ERA New York Division Bulletins / October 1963, article by Mr. Bernard Linder “The Tracks of New York / Volume 3” (ERA 1976) by Mr. Alan Paul Kahn and Mr. Jack May Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 14 13:42:35 2019, in response to Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 14 11:01:46 2019. Train of the week, not if the week. Great work! |
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Re: Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 14 16:29:24 2019, in response to Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 14 11:01:46 2019. Did it run express between Fordham Rd and Tremont Ave? Or just between Tremont and 149th St, in da Bronx? |
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Re: Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 14 18:50:37 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 14 16:29:24 2019. Did it run express between Fordham Rd and Tremont Ave? Or just between Tremont and 149th St, in da Bronx? It never ran express north of Tremont Avenue. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 15 10:17:06 2019, in response to Tuscarora Train if the Week No. 2 - The Third Avenue Thru-Express, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Jan 14 11:01:46 2019. Obviously today if the full 3rd Avenue EL had been kept, the line likely would have been heavily traveled and likely run from say 5:30 AM-1:00 PM or so southbound and 1:30-11:00 PM northbound on weekdays, from say 8:00 AM-2:00 PM southbound and 2:30-8:00 PM northbound on Saturdays and say 9:00 AM-2:00 PM southbound and 2:30-7:00 PM northbound on Sundays (yes, I suspect this line would have weekend express service).Today, these trains if so would likely have been on what would now be the Battery Park City (former City Hall) branch that would now be the main branch of the 3rd Avenue EL, running from West Thames Street in Manhattan (actually going the opposite direction of their main route at the very end/very beginning of the route) and the northern terminus. |
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Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 15 14:49:42 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 15 10:17:06 2019. If the city had the mindset to keep the full 3 Av el it probably would have run 24/7 as it had done in its early days. |
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Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 15:14:51 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 15 14:49:42 2019. I think he's referring to express service. |
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Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 15 17:12:44 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express, posted by italianstallion on Tue Jan 15 15:14:51 2019. I was referring specifically to express service:Regular service would of course have been 24/7. |
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Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 16 15:19:45 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 15 17:12:44 2019. OK, but I doubt that N/B PM exp service would run as late as 1100PM. The other 3 tk lines that run one way exp service don.t run it pat 800PM sand some don’t even run it that late. |
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Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 16 17:59:19 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 16 15:19:45 2019. I was thinking similar to the (7) that I remember at least used to run as late as 10:30 or so. |
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Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jan 17 14:52:36 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Train of the Week No. 2 - The 3rd Avenue Thru-Express, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 16 17:59:19 2019. I did some iRT schedules in the 1980s and 1990s and don’t recall the expresses running that late. What I do recall is late World’s fair super expresses running that late returning from the fair in 1964 and 65. |
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