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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 31 08:28:04 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 31 07:52:26 2018. no one has given anything remotely resembling a plausible explanation of why the Park Ave tunnel floor couldn't be loweredThat's because there is none. And speculation is never silly, unless one thinks that the rail-hating left will be in power forever. Speculation is human creativity. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 08:36:00 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 31 07:52:26 2018. Dutchrailnut already told you there is 6" of ballast before a solid mass at 63rd Street. How much more definite an answer do you want ?For the rest of it, they have dug deeper twice. Anymore, the stability of the walls will be compromised. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 31 09:10:19 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by AlM on Mon Dec 31 07:52:26 2018. it already was twice, now part of walls foundations are already exposed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 09:21:24 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 31 09:10:19 2018. I am surprised they even did it a 2nd time. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Dec 31 10:12:54 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 08:36:00 2018. Dutchrailnut already told you there is 6" of ballast before a solid mass at 63rd Street. How much more definite an answer do you want ?He may be an inside guy but his answer isn't plausible - it is contradicted by other evidence. Experts get greater credibility than the average schmo, but they don't get a pass on questions. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 31 10:26:48 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by VictorM on Sun Dec 30 20:46:08 2018. The point is quite moot. There is no point to lowering the tunnel floor.The top of the train tunnel is very close to the Park Avenue roadbed. Somewhere the tracks on Park Avenue move to a two level configuration to enter the terminal. I suspect that there is not much clerance between the levels. The Park Avenue line comes down from the 125th Street station, and it must connect to the existing GCT throats. How much geometry is there between the two. Do you want to go down another say three feet, and then have to go back up again at the throats. There are all sorts sof utilities under Park Avenue, including water, sewer, steam, power, telephone and plasma ray conduits. Things do not move easily. Better to leaf them alone. ROAR |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 31 12:28:53 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 31 10:26:48 2018. There is no point to lowering the tunnel floorYes there is, if you want to simplify Metro-North's fleet and have (almost) all trains run on the wires. Plus imagine Acelas being able to run into GCT in a pinch, and possibly run to/from Albany if the wires ever go that far north. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 31 12:35:09 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 31 12:28:53 2018. you would need to raise all clearances all way from Woodlawn , never going to happen. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 31 12:38:10 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Dec 30 20:52:41 2018. Yeah..crossing about 100 ft below the surface.I watched the construction of the 63 st/ Park ave section looking through a opening in the street. The workers looked like ants. Its hardly any surprise that the Lexington Ave station is so large...tons of wasted space vaulted ceilings...with ity bity mez. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 13:30:53 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 31 12:35:09 2018. massive clearance enhancements have been undertaken on US RRs whenever either the market (bi then tri level autoracks), productivity (higher and wider double stacks), have driven the decisions. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 13:33:31 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 13:30:53 2018. No one can ever make an ROI case for converting that from 3rd rail to catenary. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 13:36:34 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 13:33:31 2018. ROI solely based on $$ is not the issue; ROI taking into account social value is an entirely other set of calculations. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 13:44:54 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 13:36:34 2018. There is no social value. The train is exhaust-free and electric. The passengers do not know or care how. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 14:18:25 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 13:44:54 2018. let's see, the current CDot cars carry dead weight of electrical hardware so as to run off two separate supply voltages/frequencies, installing NYC legacy third rail to Albany not likely, so if we wanted toextend the exhaust free zone north, yet more dual voltage equipment would be procured. You are certainly correct that cleaning up the incompatabilityissues in order to both improve service and increase asset utilization is low on the list. That doesn't mean we shouldn't have this on our wishlist.Out where I live, after four decades of agitation and planning Caltrain is finally putting up catenary to electrify the SF-San Jose route. The extension to the "transit hub" downtown is still being stalled as the bewly built station turns out to be shoddily built. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Dec 31 14:54:57 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 14:18:25 2018. Excellent points.otoh, with Tier IV, diesels are are waaay cleaner than the old smoke-chuffers. Probably waaay more maintenance headaches as well. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 15:53:49 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 14:18:25 2018. Southern England has a huge third rail system, bigger than MN + LIRR. None of it is being converted, and they buy dual voltage MU's all the time. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 16:04:47 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Dec 31 14:54:57 2018. yes, the best cleaner diesels are certainly better than earlier ones. The point IMHO, though, is that electrics are just better all around.We as a society have many choices as to where to make investments, what infrastructure to build, repair, or scrap. As always others will have different judgements than I. e |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 16:08:13 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 15:53:49 2018. chaqun a son gout (too lazy to find the diacritics)e |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 31 16:20:00 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 30 09:40:37 2018. But at park ave,the tunnel is about 100 plus..just to pass under the Lexington Ave subways two separate levels.Very deep indeed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 16:22:01 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 16:04:47 2018. Also depends on how we produce electricity. If by dirty coal, then take that into account. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 16:24:18 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 31 16:20:00 2018. We also have vertical separation regulations. That is why NJT's proposed ARC Macy's Bunker Station had to be made deeper (clear the western extension of the #7), and then the stub track extending east of 6th Avenue had to be eliminated (a NYC Water tunnel along 6th Avenue). |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 31 17:17:19 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 16:24:18 2018. the separation or no dig clause for water tunnels is around 100 foot anywhere near water tunnel, I believe. the ESA tail tracks end around 34th street but could never be made to connect to NYP due to depth. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 17:22:50 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Dutchrailnut on Mon Dec 31 17:17:19 2018. Correct.Much of the Alternative G/thru-running crowd loved to disregard physical limitations like barging through the GCT lower level loop tracks, NYC Water Tunnel, and IND 6th Av Express tracks. Gateway Penn Station South can get under the latter, but it is very difficult. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 17:33:08 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 31 16:22:01 2018. of course, but there is NO reason other than trump logic to operate a dirty coal plant when natural gas is significantly cheaper for the same BTUs and burns cleaner.And, despite other politics, even nominally right wingers are investing in wind and PV. The handwriting on the wall is very bright. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 31 22:15:14 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 17:33:08 2018. Propaganda phrase "dirty coal plant". Those are way cleaner than the fearmongers say. Only thing that makes gas cheaper is burdensome regulations.And lol at "nominal right wingers". Always identity politics and pigeonholing. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Dec 31 22:16:15 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 31 22:15:14 2018. enjoy the mercury. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Dec 31 23:23:09 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Edwards! on Mon Dec 31 12:38:10 2018. The problem with cramped mezzanine at the Lexington Av end of the station is that Lexington Av is blocked by the Lexington Av local subway tunnel which runs just below the street, so they had build the mezzanine westward from the west side of Lexington Av. You have to admit the escalator cavern is an impressive structure (despite the wasted space): eight escalators and two landings between the mezzanine and platform levels plus two additional escalators between the mezzanine and street:   
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 1 08:21:11 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 31 22:15:14 2018. Move to near a coal plant in WV or KY and tell is how you like it. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Jan 1 12:15:01 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by VictorM on Mon Dec 31 23:23:09 2018. Now I'm having an attack of nostalgia.I used that station towards the end of my career. It was a clime when the escalators where out of service. The elevator at that station was slow, usually packed, and often smelled of urine. Such fond memories! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Jan 1 16:55:21 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 28 15:20:34 2018. Well, there was that one anecdote about the Turbos hitting, what, over 150 on some test run?The Metroliner & TurboTrain sets had to go 160 to meet the terms of the FRA contract. A top speed of a little over 170 was reached by a 3 car DOT lettered set on a 22 mile carefully groomed track 3 of the Corridor between Trenton & New Brunswick NJ back in 1967. A 2 car Metroliner set hit 160 at the same location earlier the same year. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 1 17:11:41 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by kp5308 on Tue Jan 1 16:55:21 2019. Right, the UAC train did hit 170. Sad that we don't have any of those dedicated HSR corridors, because a train like that would be more suited to such an alignment. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Tue Jan 1 19:20:21 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 1 17:11:41 2019. On 1960s track structure & technology no less! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jan 2 02:12:32 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Dec 31 22:15:14 2018. They only got cleaner because of all those burdensome regulations, lol. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jan 2 02:19:11 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by kp5308 on Tue Jan 1 19:20:21 2019. If one doesn't have to worry about signals, curves, and other trains, it doesn't sound so implausible.In the end, though, it sounds like the Turboliners never got very fast. I heard, long time ago, the expected top speed was 80 mph. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 00:09:55 2019, in response to Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 23 23:27:51 2018. If Siemens could somehow make a dual mode version and keep it at the same height, these would be perfect for the LIRR. They would be able to go to Atlantic Terminal if necessary (the SW1001 is taller and can fit there) and should be able to run with any hand me down equipment that the LIRR may want to borrow or purchase in the future more easily than the DE30AC and DM30AC can, improving the diesel fleet's flexibility and availability. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 04:04:53 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Diesel locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 00:09:55 2019. You're in the mood for necroposting today, aren't you.Isn't the problem weight, not height? Non-dual-mode Chargers are 272,000 lbs, which is 21 tons heavier than an SW1001; a dual-mode version would be heavier still (this document has Siemens stating that a dual-mode Charger with third rail gear would weigh 291,500 lbs or 30¾ tons heavier than the SW1001; the document further states that such a weight increase limits speeds to 110 mph, at least for Amtrak's purposes). And what's the use of sending diesel-territory LIRR trains to Brooklyn, a destination that LIRR is already deprecating? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sat Jun 8 05:04:50 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 04:04:53 2019. I might have missed something, but rather than an SW1001, wouldn't a better comparison be to the existing LIRR DM ? If so, height and weight would line up pretty well, with the Siemens being a tad lighter. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 05:17:40 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by pragmatist on Sat Jun 8 05:04:50 2019. I didn't make the comparison.And the DM30AC's weight is probably misreported on Wikipedia; close to 75,000 lbs per axle sounds way off. The page I linked also says that adding battery packs is another 15,000 lbs for the Siemens dual-mode loco, which would jack up the weight to a whopping 306,500 lbs (or 76,625 lbs per axle). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 06:13:09 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 04:04:53 2019. You're in the mood for necroposting today, aren't you.Guilty 😞 Isn't the problem weight, not height? Non-dual-mode Chargers are 272,000 lbs, which is 21 tons heavier than an SW1001; a dual-mode version would be heavier still (this document has Siemens stating that a dual-mode Charger with third rail gear would weigh 291,500 lbs or 30¾ tons heavier than the SW1001; the document further states that such a weight increase limits speeds to 110 mph, at least for Amtrak's purposes). Thanks for the document/reference. I don't think weight would be a problem though. A hypothetical (huge emphasis on hypothetical) set consisting of say a single Dual-Mode Charger with 5 Mafersa coaches would weigh the same as a set of 6 M7 cars. I used the SW1001 as a reference point because it's the only LIRR locomotive that I've seen operate all over its territory (including Brooklyn) BTW. And what's the use of sending diesel-territory LIRR trains to Brooklyn, a destination that LIRR is already deprecating? And a highly short-sighted move on the LIRR's part in a time where politicians are calling for renewed service on the Rockaway Beach, Central, and Long Island City lines, but anyways, the main purpose of this would be flexibility. If a M7 going to Brooklyn craps out at Jamaica, you can have the Charger set that just completed its run from Patchogue across the platform replace it instead of having to rush to get another MU set out of the yard. The LIRR's current diesel fleet also won't be able to access Grand Central. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Jun 8 14:45:00 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 06:13:09 2019. The LIRR's current diesel fleet also won't be able to access Grand Central.Sounds like an argument to just electrify more of the system. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 17:33:52 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by nasadowsk on Sat Jun 8 14:45:00 2019. Yes, eventually, but buying dual mode rolling stock that can go anywhere in the system would be the economical solution in the meantime, and would allow for similar service increases, like daily and hourly direct service from Port Jefferson to Grand Central. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 20:20:14 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by nasadowsk on Sat Jun 8 14:45:00 2019. Like the suddenly-abandoned Port Jeff electrification. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 20:45:31 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 17:33:52 2019. buying dual mode rolling stock that can go anywhere in the system would be the economical solutionNot necessarily economical when additional maintenance costs and higher frequency of failures are brought into account. and would allow for similar service increases, like daily and hourly direct service from Port Jefferson to Grand Central You're never going to have a 12' 8" max height dual-mode locomotive, and LIRR is not ever going to buy single-level push-pull cars that fit through the 63rd Street tunnels. Only way you'd have GCT-PJ trains is if the canceled electrification to PJ happens again—presuming GCT (already ten years late in first projected opening and costing over three times more than estimated; the tunnels are already there, remember!) even opens. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 02:41:38 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 8 20:20:14 2019. They have the 10 car platforms, passing sidings, CTC, and 3 abandoned substations. The also have a lot of stupidity. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 03:57:46 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 17:33:52 2019. Be simpler to electrify to Port Jeff. Despite LIRR being psychologically opposed, the job was left half done 30 years ago.Then LIRR Pres Prendergast was the fool who came from Chicago and thought rail commuter should ride bi-level coaches behind EMD's. Paturkey wanted to give Super Steel business. So there was the perfect storm. Now the current LIRR Preident is too lame and disinterested to rent MARC coaches for the summer surge, incessantly putting out e-mail blasts on ESA and 3rd track progress, while day-to-day operations rot away. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 9 06:07:05 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 03:57:46 2019. For less than half the money spent on ESA (I'd love to see the results of an audit of that project), the Central Branch could've been rebuilt with a tunnel under Eisenhower Park and all. (Students at Nassau Community College wouldn't mind a train nearby and not having to try to reach the Carle Place station instead.) |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sun Jun 9 06:09:05 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 02:41:38 2019. 3 abandoned substationsOh really? Where are those? What idiot puts in that much, then walks away from the final part of putting in third rail? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 9 06:10:06 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by nasadowsk on Sun Jun 9 06:09:05 2019. C'mon, it's the MTA. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sun Jun 9 06:11:13 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jun 8 17:33:52 2019. Yes, eventually, but buying dual mode rolling stock that can go anywhere in the system would be the economical solution in the meantime, and would allow for similar service increases, like daily and hourly direct service from Port Jefferson to Grand Central.Yeah, that's the bill of goods everyone was sold in the late 90's, it didn't happen. The LIRR promised the OB branch service 'just like an electric', and it's still a shitty running time, shitty schedule, and changes at Mineola and or Jamacia. Everyone whines that there's no ridership on the OB branch, but it's because the service blows. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sun Jun 9 07:26:01 2019, in response to Re: Amtrak orders 75 new Siemens Charger locomotives for LD trains, posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 9 02:41:38 2019. Wow, if that’s the case then why are they so enamored with the idea of extending electrification to the middle of some farm in bumblef*** Yaphank (not even Riverhead, but Yaphank) instead of Port Jefferson? I can’t see NIMBYs complaining about quieter trains going through their backyards. |
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