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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 12:37:47 2018 I know I posted this before, but I want to let everyone know again. I have been compiling information on closed and removed entrances in the subway system here. Mtattrain has been a major help.Additional information would be appreciated, including additional locations where entrances used to be, more specific information including street corners, and dates when the entrances in question closed, and if possible, why it closed. Proper citations would be appreciated, whether they are newspaper articles detailing their closure, NYCTA documentation, or images showing their existence. Thanks. Union Tpke |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 16 13:12:46 2018, in response to List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 12:37:47 2018. The only additional removed entrance I can think of now off-hand would be Northern Blvd eastbound at eastern end of platform around 56 Street.Also, the IND stations were planned with greater distances between stations than the IRT and BMT because all stations had entrances and exits planned at both ends of the station rather than one in the center the way many older stations were planned. When the MTA decided the close entrances and exits on a massive scale, the IND was hit particularly hard with longer walks to and from stations. If you find yourself at the wrong end of the train, it can take you over five minutes underground to reach the street and another five minutes above ground to get to the point where the closed entrance used to be. Also, closed entrance at 7th Avenue (Flatbush Avenue) southern end. Stairway from platform to mezzanine still exists. Also, closed or removed entrance at Eastern Parkway Brooklyn Museum at western end. You don't mention the reasons for the closings. In addition to financial, safety was a prime consideration back in the 70's. Park Slope was not considered to be a safe neighborhood which was the reason for the Seventh Avenue closure. Today it is one of the most desirable neighborhoods in the city and perceived as one of the safest. Yet the entrance and exit still remains closed despite the fact that it could get reopened as an unmanned entrance and exit. I think there should be a law requiring the MTA to open a closed entrance every time they close a booth. This is a cost effective way to reduce walking and trip times with no major on-going operating expenses except for maintaining fare equipment and exits. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Dec 16 13:18:05 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 16 13:12:46 2018. Can't reopen entrances without triggering ADA compliance requirements. I would love to see it happen but the steep expenses can't be denied. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 13:18:32 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 16 13:12:46 2018. Thanks. I have found additional documentation on the safety issue in the 1970s and plan on adding it.Which corner(s) did the entrance at 7th Avenue lead to? I already listed the Eastern Parkway Brooklyn Museum entrance. By any chance do you have any documents dating from this time that relate to this? Thanks for your help. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 13:18:55 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by R30A on Sun Dec 16 13:18:05 2018. That is a lie. The MTA is doing this for the Canarsie Shutdown. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 13:19:30 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 13:18:32 2018. Never mind. I also have the Seventh Avenue entrance. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 16 13:26:39 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 16 13:12:46 2018. When the MTA decided the close entrances and exits on a massive scale, the IND was hit particularly hard with longer walks to and from stations. If you find yourself at the wrong end of the train, it can take you over five minutes underground to reach the street and another five minutes above ground to get to the point where the closed entrance used to be.Somewhat of an exaggeration. Walking 600 feet in 5 minutes is 2 feet per second or 1-1/3 mph. Most people walk at 3 mph. Still very annoying, but more like 4-5 minutes than 10. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Dec 16 13:59:40 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 16 13:12:46 2018. Also, the IND stations were planned with greater distances between stations than the IRT and BMT because all stations had entrances and exits planned at both ends of the station rather than one in the center the way many older stations were planned.All of them? If true, it's too bad they didn't follow through at 23/6. I used that station during rush hours for many years, both before and after the 30-story residential towers lining the avenue went up. Particularly for an IND station, it is severely underbuilt to meet today's needs. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Dec 16 14:49:38 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sun Dec 16 13:59:40 2018. The problem with 23/6 is the IND platforms go almost all the way to the building line because of the presence of the PATH station in the middle. The only places where they could have built entrances is under the side streets at 22 or 24 streets (the same as they did at 23 St), but those entrances would have been much too close to 23 St to be of much value. |
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Posted by MTA T on Sun Dec 16 15:25:10 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by VictorM on Sun Dec 16 14:49:38 2018. To be fair, you have 86th St on the B/C, which has exits to 86th, 87th, and 88th Streets. |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Dec 16 15:49:45 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 13:18:55 2018. As an emergency measure. They cannot do so permanently. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 16:09:06 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by R30A on Sun Dec 16 15:49:45 2018. I am sure they can, and that they will. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 16 16:42:21 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by R30A on Sun Dec 16 13:18:05 2018. I can't be certain, but I don’t think ADA requires that all station entrances be ADA compliant, just that every station must have an ADA compliant entrance. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 16:47:25 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 16 16:42:21 2018. That is correct. The issue concerns reopening entrances in stations without an ADA compliant entrance. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 16 16:51:29 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 16:47:25 2018. I don’t even think that would be an issue if there is no ADA compliant entrance to begin with. There are already several stations on the 4 Av Bkln Line that were rehabbed with no ADA compliant entrances. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Dec 16 16:55:42 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by MTA T on Sun Dec 16 15:25:10 2018. Interesting. It could be that Central Park West at 86 St was already heavily residential when the IND CPW line was built, while 23/6 was mostly low rise commercial and residential when the 6 Av IND was built. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 16 20:43:37 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Sun Dec 16 16:51:29 2018. If major improvements - however defined in the law - are made to a station, ADA compliance is supposed to be included. The MTA skirts around this, but uses it as an excuse to avoid reopening old entrances whenever it can. |
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Posted by The Queen on Sun Dec 16 21:06:32 2018, in response to List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 12:37:47 2018. You are missing some closed-off entrances for that "unfinished station" at Broadway on the Crosstown Line =) |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Dec 16 21:14:47 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 16 20:43:37 2018. CTA does the same. A recent station rehab at Belmont on the Blue Line somehow managed not to include ADA elevators. For shame! |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Sun Dec 16 21:32:44 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 16 13:12:46 2018. When are they supposed to open the 7th Av entrance/exit at the 8th Av N train station in Brooklyn, I heard this month, can anyone confirm this. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 16 21:51:58 2018, in response to List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 12:37:47 2018. Flushing Main St: there used to be an entrance into the Woolworth's basement. This was added to the 1948 stairway on the se corner of main & roosevelt that pointed south. It was abandoned along with Woolworth. That building tenant is now a Duane-Reid drugstore.Willets Pt Boulevard: the station was moved west and converted into an express stop for the 1939 Worlds Fair. The westward shift meant the original station stairways at roosevelt & willets pt blv were removed. 5th Ave & 42nd St: there used to be an entrance into Stern's Department Store on the north side of 42nd St near 6th Ave. Times Sq - 42nd St Shuttle - what about the entrance into the Knickerbocker Hotel? |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Dec 16 23:15:08 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 16:09:06 2018. They have stated that they cannot legally do so. I have no reason not to believe them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 17 06:56:22 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 16 13:26:39 2018. Owned.Some people even walk at 4 ft per sec. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 17 07:59:34 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 16:47:25 2018. So tgen no ody benefits from the improvement |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Dec 17 07:59:54 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 16:47:25 2018. So then nobody benefits from the improvement |
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Posted by LA Scott on Mon Dec 17 08:56:23 2018, in response to List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 12:37:47 2018. Atlantic Ave/Barclays has a mix of removed and reconstructed entrances.The 3 IRT platforms have an underpass at the south end that originally connected to street stairs on either side of Flatbush south of Atlantic. At some point the underpass and entrances were closed. During the 2010-2012 construction, the two street stairs on the west side were removed and one was converted into an emergency exit. The East side was completely removed and the new (much larger) entrance shared with the BMT was put in place. The underpass was left in place, but the stairs to the Manhattan bound local platform were removed and a ramp to the new fare control area was constructed instead. The BMT Brighton platform originally had a tiny south mezzanine with the entrance on the southeast corner of Atlantic and Flatbush. At some point it was closed and the platform to mezzanine stairs were removed. During the 2010-2012 reconstruction new stairs were added connected to the new large entrance shared with the IRT. The Atlantic IRT station also has the removed entrance where the kiosk is on the Flatbush/4th/Atlantic triangle. |
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Posted by numbersix on Mon Dec 17 12:03:48 2018, in response to List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 12:37:47 2018. 76th Street entrance replaced by brick wall. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 14:53:16 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances - Atlantic Ave, posted by LA Scott on Mon Dec 17 08:56:23 2018. Thanks. I knew there were several there but I didn't have the details. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Dec 17 16:13:10 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by The Queen on Sun Dec 16 21:06:32 2018. I don’t think those “closed off” entrances were ever opened at all. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 17 18:16:23 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 16 21:51:58 2018. Building to subway entrances were common back then.Flushing was expected to build up with office buildings and some people called Main St. "Downtown". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 17 18:20:55 2018, in response to List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 12:37:47 2018. "Forest Ave".The three cement walls protecting the stairs at the platform level were there for decades. It was knocked down and the stairs covered when a woman was raped behind the stairs wall. NYCT decided that removing the obstruction made the station safer. A similar situation happened somewhere on the G line around 2005 behind stairs that are closed to the public. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 19:32:37 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 16 21:51:58 2018. When did Woolworth's close? What do you mean by "this was added to the 1948 stairway"?Thanks. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 19:36:21 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 17 18:20:55 2018. Do you know when that entrance closed and when the stairs were covered? Thanks. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 20:14:19 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances - Atlantic Ave, posted by LA Scott on Mon Dec 17 08:56:23 2018. When did the new entrance open? Thanks. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Dec 17 22:03:11 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 19:36:21 2018. For some reason I remember hearing that it closed in the late 60's. It was closed as long as I remember and I went to pre-school a block away and always looked over every inch of Forest Ave by the time I was 5 or 6.I don't remember when they knocked down they covered the stairs. Probably in the 90's. In thee 80's, neighborhood kids used to break in to the abandoned fare control area. I never did. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Dec 17 23:26:32 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 19:32:37 2018. What do you mean by "this was added to the 1948 stairway"?The Main St station was built with 4 stairways in 1928. The stairways were located at the 4 corners of Main & Roosevelt. The stairways were on Roosevelt and pointed west on the west side of Main and east on the east side of Main. An additional stairway was built off the original stairway on the SE corner. The stairway was on Main St and pointed south. This is corner where Woolworth later located, when a new building was erected. They had a basement and built an entrance on the landing of the stairway that was built in 1948. There were 2 additional stairways that were built in the early 1950's on Roosevelt between Main and Union Sts. They were built, when the station was lengthened to accommodate 11 car trains. When did Woolworth's close? My best guess without any research is between 15 and 18 years ago. |
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Posted by MTA T on Tue Dec 18 00:26:51 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Mon Dec 17 16:13:10 2018. Yeah. One goes to South 4th St, and the other goes to Meserole St. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 18 03:33:20 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by MTA T on Tue Dec 18 00:26:51 2018. From the look of the Google photos, it doesn’t look as if those entrance were ever opened as actual entrances but rather only as emergency access points. I can’t imagine the north end of the mezzanine which would be where those “entrances” are was ever even open to the public at all. Contrast with the emergency exits at Arlington Pl and Fulton St which wt one time were open to passengers to access the Nostrand Av station on the A. Those exits definitely show evidence of their former use as entrances. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 18 03:44:10 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 18 03:33:20 2018. I also googled and discovered evidence of what appear to be closed entrances at Bedford Ave and Fulton St which now look like emergency exits. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Dec 18 07:35:38 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances - Atlantic Ave, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 20:14:19 2018. The new entrance opened September 17 2012.Daily News Curbed 2nd Ave Sagas. The last link includes pictures of the IRT underpass, emergency exit where the Southwest IRT entrance used to be, and the tiny BMT mezzanine level. On the 1916 block map You can make out two entrances on the West side (IRT) and two on the East (I think 1 IRT, 1 BRT/BMT), although they are not clear. This site is a great resource for looking up historic surface and buildings, including transit. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Dec 18 07:40:57 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances - Atlantic Ave, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Dec 17 20:14:19 2018. The new entrance opened September 17 2012.Daily News 2nd Ave Sagas. The second link includes pictures of the IRT underpass, emergency exit where the Southwest IRT entrance used to be, and the tiny BMT mezzanine level. On the 1916 block map You can make out two entrances on the West side (IRT) and two on the East (I think 1 IRT, 1 BRT/BMT), although they are not clear. This site is a great resource for looking up historic surface features and buildings, including transit. Baseball trivia: this map also shows the third Washington Park, home of the Federal League's Brooklyn Tip-tops, now home to a Con-Ed facility. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 18 10:01:30 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 16 20:43:37 2018. Yes, but ADA compliance has the unintended consequence of keeping a good number of entrances closed that otherwise could be of use to the majority of people even if the entrances themselves were unmanned. They were closed in the days before tiny cameras could be installed cheaply to monitor stations.It should go back to the original reason why the station entrances were closed in most of those instances, which was crime. It would be nice to be able to install ADA, but until there is funding that allows the MTA to install ADA at every station some compromise needs to be done. (Of course, at the time the system was originally built, the thoughts of the disabled were not nearly as well thought of as they are required to be today). |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Dec 18 10:25:21 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Dec 18 10:01:30 2018. Elevators could be installed more cheaply using these staircase entrances. It won't cost as much as digging up new shafts. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Dec 19 01:19:35 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 18 03:33:20 2018. I have not googled for street photos of the S. 4th st. area. I do remember though, that there was a tour of S. 4th st. in the early 90s - an individual arranged it with the TA.Someone took color photos of which I saw two or three - part of the tour must have included a walk through the full length, but closed off mezzanine above the Broadway station - one photo was of a tiled sign with arrow towards Meserole St (IIRC), another photo was of the group inspecting a double wide staircase from the mezzanine up to a closed street entrance - only part of the staircase underground was in the photo. I don't know if these were the stairs from Meserole or S. 4th St., and whether or not this entrance was ever opened and in use to the Broadway mezzanine. It was never made clear to me where the street entrances to the S. 4th st. platforms would be (Whether directly from the street to another fare control area, or if the fare control area at northern end of Broadway station, extended north of those platforms to run above the S. 4 platforms. |
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Posted by MTA T on Wed Dec 19 09:49:09 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Express Rider on Wed Dec 19 01:19:35 2018. From what I know, there are three levels around the unfinished station:1. The G train tracks and closed passageways to/from the G platforms 2. The station 3. A mezzanine above the station, with exits to the NW corner of S4 St/Union and the NE corner of Meserole/Union I think the S4 St exit is sealed, but the Meserole St exit is visible on street level as your typical trapdoor. You can go from the bottom G train level to the station, but you can't go from the mezzanine above the station to the station. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 19 17:41:19 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Dec 16 16:09:06 2018. They can do whatever they want and do. When they rebuilt the Brighton Line elevators should have been installed at all stations according to the ADA requirements and weren't. They state whenever a new station is built or rehabbed, it must be ADA compliant. The MTA used the excuse that these aren't new stations because they were there before. But anyone who watched the rebuild would conclude these were new stations, because for example Avenue H, J and M were torn down to the ground and completely replaced. There wasn't a shred of the old stations remaining. Even if it wasn't considered new, it certainly was a rehab. I think the only exemption is if it's physically impossible to put in an elevator which certainly was not the case. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 19 17:44:09 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 16 13:26:39 2018. You are also assuming that there is no pedestrian traffic. If there are many people ahead of you, you can't walk as fast as you want, and the elderly usually walk slower anyway. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 19 17:46:43 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Dec 16 21:51:58 2018. Hoyt St direct entrance into A and S. same with Bloomingdales at 59 St |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:45:09 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 19 17:41:19 2018. The problem with some of the Brighton Line platforms is that they are so narrow in many places, that the couldn’t be widened without encroaching on the private property of the hoses that were built along the ROW over the years. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Dec 20 00:59:09 2018, in response to Re: List of closed New York City Subway entrances, posted by randyo on Wed Dec 19 18:45:09 2018. And, IINM ADA regs specify wider platforms. I made a superficial search on the issue 2 days ago without much useful result. There seem to be many loopholes, which make it easy to refuse to do the add ons. |
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