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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018 Delayed |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 12:23:10 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. First of many. Murphy wants that line shut down. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 12 12:56:17 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. They're looking for a "serious safety issue" with a bridge or other structure, that NJ Transit can plausibly use as an excuse to indefinitely "suspend" ACRL service. |
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Posted by DieselBusFan on Wed Dec 12 14:01:15 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 12 12:56:17 2018. I am very discouraged about this but not surprised. NJT was never forthright. I was keeping my fingers crossed that the line would come back, but now it looks like this is not happening. In the US there have been numerous examples 'temporary' suspensions of service becoming permanent. NJT stated that the service would be return in 'early 2019' but 'early 2019' starts on January 1st. 'Early 2019' becomes 'mid-2019' then 2020 and so on. Also there is a history in the US of maintenance blitzes (as on the AC Line today) taking place before abandonment. |
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Posted by Allan on Wed Dec 12 14:12:59 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Dec 12 12:56:17 2018. It is kind of aprapos because it is the ACRL and AC is associated with gambling. So it is a gamble on whether it will reopen. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 12 15:07:47 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 12:23:10 2018. So then why did they install PTC? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 12 15:23:33 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Allan on Wed Dec 12 14:12:59 2018. And if I owned one of the casinos there, I'd been filing a lawsuit to demand a delay for at least one year in this because of sports betting becoming legal, citing this year being in some cases the only opportunity to get sports bettors to come in droves before Pennsylvania gets up and running OR demanding massive compensation that would include having to get the line up and running quickly was massive penalties as an incentive to get the job done. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 12 15:26:51 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 12:23:10 2018. Guess he wants to get revenge on AC for screwing the racing industry in New Jersey.The New Jersey Sire Stakes program for Harness Racing, which used to be the top program in the country has become a joke a recent years thanks to what Christie did in crippling The Meadowlands in particular. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 12 17:30:48 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. There are some responses to the article linked to that everything is actually ready to go, but they are short cars and personnel and need them for New York/North Jersey and are using other things as an excuse. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Wed Dec 12 17:39:55 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. Stick a fork in it. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Dec 12 18:13:02 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 12 15:23:33 2018. And since there is no legal basis for the lawsuit, nobody would care... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 18:19:03 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 12 15:07:47 2018. Because the feds told them to.Isn't it historical that many lines that ended abandoned received upgrades anyhow? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 18:19:46 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by nasadowsk on Wed Dec 12 17:39:55 2018. Stick a fork in the polls instead. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 18:19:57 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by nasadowsk on Wed Dec 12 17:39:55 2018. Stick a fork in the pols instead. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 18:20:24 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Dec 12 17:30:48 2018. That's baloney. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 18:37:37 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by pragmatist on Wed Dec 12 18:13:02 2018. And the lawsuit would be quickly dismissed. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 18:39:36 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by DieselBusFan on Wed Dec 12 14:01:15 2018. Look at Boston with A Watertown and E Arborway. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Dec 12 18:45:31 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 18:39:36 2018. You beat me to it; Boston is exactly what I was thinking of. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 20:05:20 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 18:39:36 2018. Philly with routes 23 and 56. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Thu Dec 13 01:20:24 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 18:19:03 2018. Historical or hysterical? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 13 04:59:53 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 20:05:20 2018. Ugh, don't remind me. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 13 07:34:52 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. BAD....I remain suspicious of almost all "temporary" closures- even the M line closure in Bushwick had me slightly worried. But given NJT's current state...this is concerning indeed, when management says they're "re-evaluating". I mean, if they were committed to the re-opening, they would just do it as soon as the work is done. The only closure I trust to be temporary is the pending L closure. There's just too much political pressure to let that job stall halfway through and the line never re-open. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 13 11:43:25 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 18:20:24 2018. I'm sure you are privy to the actual facts. |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Dec 13 15:10:00 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 12 18:20:24 2018. You're full of it (baloney).It's fact. Transit admitted that the AC Line and the Dinky were shut down to provide equipment and operating personnel for North Jersey. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 13 15:22:09 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by chuchubob on Thu Dec 13 15:10:00 2018. It's fact. Transit admittedLOL! Obvious contradiction there. If you believe them, you'll believe any lie. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 13 15:23:08 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by italianstallion on Thu Dec 13 11:43:25 2018. And you are able to get past NJT's smokescreens? |
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Posted by chuchubob on Thu Dec 13 15:50:15 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 13 15:22:09 2018. The lie was that the shutdowns were to install PTC. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 13 15:59:48 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by chuchubob on Thu Dec 13 15:50:15 2018. I agree that was certainly a lie.And I don't see any Princeton Dinky being run by those new MLV EMUs, since it looks like they require two cab cars and thus a minimum of three cars. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 13 16:16:37 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 13 15:59:48 2018. I expect you to be silent when NJT reopens the Dinky and ACL.What equipment will be used on the Dinky when the 1300' are retired is for the future...……...a long future since Bombardier are building the new cars. By then there will be a different governor and different NJT chief honcho to make that decision. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 13 16:57:17 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 13 16:16:37 2018. I expect you to be silent when NJT reopens the Dinky and ACLWell, if I'm dead in 20 years, I'll be silent all right, lol. But I still suspect there will be no "when". |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Dec 14 08:34:05 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. I remember how the R8 Newtown and R3 Media were still listed as "temporarily suspended" well into the 90's on SEPTA System maps. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 14 09:48:40 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Dec 14 08:34:05 2018. Thanks for the reminder.Any mention of plans to electrify the R8 Newtown on any SEPTA material? |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Dec 14 14:39:20 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. Article in today's Inquirer states that PTC installation on the AC Line is complete and the 7.5 miles of track replacement is also complete. Service COULD resume when testing is completed, but won't be restored until Transit feels like restoring it. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 14 14:45:34 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by chuchubob on Fri Dec 14 14:39:20 2018. That doesn't sound good, at all. Let's hope it restarts soon. Thanks,chuchubob |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 14 15:35:38 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 14 14:45:34 2018. There's 2 problems: the staffing shortage and the PTC-equipped cab shortage.I'm guessing the staffing shortage will be resolved sooner since they've dropped the NJ residency requirement. We'll know the equipment shortage has been resolved when NJT says they don't need SEPTA's AEM-7s anymore. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Dec 14 15:39:09 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 14 15:35:38 2018. They want SEPTA AEM's when they have a long line of newer ALP on the deadline? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 14 15:54:17 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Dec 14 15:39:09 2018. SEPTA's are PTC compliant. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Dec 14 15:59:37 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 14 15:54:17 2018. That's like trading in your 2007 Mustang for a 74 Pinto because it has a nice car stereo installed. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 14 16:09:51 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Dec 14 15:59:37 2018. Bad analogy - The whole problem is a shortage of PTC equipment. There isn't enough time as it is to get the fleet they actually used brought up to code, much less engines they never touch.Better analogy is you have a 2007 Mustang and 74 Pinto in the garage, neither of which have working headlights, and you need to drive at night *right now*, and you borrow your neighbor's beater pickup. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Dec 14 16:27:41 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by chuchubob on Thu Dec 13 15:10:00 2018. My friend does weekend dispatching for Lakeland for the Gladstone shuttle. He has told me numerous times, NJT is horribly short on engineers to run the trains on daily basis.Here's one of the buses. Shuttle Bus |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Dec 14 18:32:10 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 14 15:35:38 2018. The NJ residency requirement didn’t make much sense since NJT operates both into NYS and into Penna. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Dec 14 19:51:04 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by randyo on Fri Dec 14 18:32:10 2018. Not to mention 30st Philly. And Port Jervis is within walking distance of PA. |
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Posted by DieselBusFan on Sat Dec 15 12:40:24 2018, in response to ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 12:09:25 2018. Just listening to the radio (1450am WPG in AC) in the car the host (forgot his name) made some comments about the AC Line service. He said that he will forward any news on the radio. But he felt that the AC Line will not be coming back. I unfortunately hold this same opinion. As I have indicated previously, 'temporary' closures have a way of becoming permanent in the US, numerous examples. I have also noted that 'maintenance blitzes' are no assurance of the return of service. At this point what I find most telling though is that NJT has not given any date for the return of service. Duh. NJT has not been forthright. If NJT's agenda is to drop the AC service, it should just say so instead of playing vague games like 'evaluating the schedule' and so on. It seems now that NJT is simply smoke and mirrors, and it does not take much to see through this. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 13:23:28 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by DieselBusFan on Sat Dec 15 12:40:24 2018. I figured that NJT became prejudiced to this service as soon as politicians started talking about "converting (it) to light rail" and other nonsense. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 17:01:36 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 13:23:28 2018. The ACRL is very ill-suited for light rail, considering it has very long stretches of 80MPH running between infrequent stops.I think the train will return, simply because it's cheaper to run than the replacement buses. As for *when*, I'm guessing the answer to that will be once the last cab gets PTC installed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 15 17:37:31 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 17:01:36 2018. Very soon, we will soon see loco-hauled trains actually lead by a cab car, unoccupied except for the engineer. They are not done with PTC installs, and don't want their asses thrown off the NEC by Anderson on Jan 1. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 22:34:07 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 17:01:36 2018. Nah; won't happen. The shutdown was based on lies, and the notion of the line coming back is also a lie. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 22:45:31 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 22:34:07 2018. The attitude around this reminds me of all the doomsayers when the LSL was temporarily rerouted to BOS with no NY section this past summer. "It's never coming back!" "Anderson's killed the long distance network, and my dog!" Oh look, the LSL is right back to the way it was before the reroute. Doomsayers disappeared into woodwork.Same will happen here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Dec 15 22:54:27 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 22:45:31 2018. Not the same people involved. Not the same leadership at the top either. Certainly not the same reason involved. Keep your fingers crossed, though. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 15 23:19:31 2018, in response to Re: ACRL delayed reopening to trains, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Dec 15 22:45:31 2018. Olog-hai is just bitter that the Blue Comet isn’t running anymore. |
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