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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:44:13 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 15:57:42 2018. And even morally back then, there was nothing wrong with it in society. Not saying it's right but that's just the way things were.Except that slavery was seen as so irredeemably evil, that the federal government fought a war to stop it. Funny how you keep missing that little detail. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 6 16:58:49 2018, in response to Tour of funeral train, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 5 22:14:36 2018. One good thing about this thread- Nilet now knows how many people here dislike him! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 6 17:27:10 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 08:25:53 2018. Gotta hand it to UP, they haven't totally forgotten about their passenger roots. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Thu Dec 6 17:42:59 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Dec 6 09:33:25 2018. I worked for the federal government from 1974 to 1997. During that time we had one late president pass - Richard Nixon in 1994. When I was told we were to have the day off I was quite surprised. I never knew about that policy. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 17:58:03 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 15:49:11 2018. Not surprised to hear that. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 6 18:00:21 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Bzuck on Thu Dec 6 17:42:59 2018. What happens to workers paid by the hour ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 6 18:00:54 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 14:57:37 2018. Not a tantrum, just swatting at a house fly |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:08:54 2018, in response to Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 14:26:20 2018. I just have him on virtual killfile. Starve the troll and he'll die off. If he acts the way he does here in real life, he'll fall afoul of the wrong person and then pay the price. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 6 18:29:09 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 14:15:04 2018. Better than having your ashes in an urn which the cat knocks off the mantle & you wind up in your wife's Dustbuster! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Thu Dec 6 18:36:45 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 6 13:34:41 2018. IAWTP!!! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Dec 6 18:41:39 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:44:13 2018. Actually, the principal purpose of the Civil War was not to end slavery but to preserve the Union. Had the states that became the Confederacy had not seceded the war wouldn’t have happened. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 6 18:46:15 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 14:47:15 2018. 
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 18:51:17 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by randyo on Thu Dec 6 18:41:39 2018. The Confederacy seceded and fired on Fort Sumter in a failed attempt to preserve slavery. It is true that Lincoln's war aim was to restore the Union, but one without slavery forever forward from the Confederate surrender.The war itself was over the institution of slavery, period. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:53:55 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by randyo on Thu Dec 6 18:41:39 2018. Incorrect. The seceding states seceded all because of the slavery question. Read the >Confederate constitution and it makes plain that its goal was to preserve slavery. Stop listening to neo-Confederate propaganda. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:55:21 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by randyo on Thu Dec 6 18:41:39 2018. Incorrect. The seceding states seceded all because of the slavery question. Read the Confederate constitution and it makes plain that its goal was to preserve slavery. Stop listening to neo-Confederate propaganda. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:24:10 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 16:44:13 2018. No kidding! I'm talking about the 1700s and early 1800s. I'm sure NO ONE will disagree that slavery is evil. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:28:29 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by randyo on Thu Dec 6 18:41:39 2018. SOUTHERN REVISIONIST BULLSHIT! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:28:48 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 18:51:17 2018. IAWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:29:01 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:53:55 2018. IAWTP |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:29:12 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 18:55:21 2018. IAWTP |
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Posted by kp5308 on Thu Dec 6 19:32:43 2018, in response to Tour of funeral train, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 5 22:14:36 2018. Thanks Dave! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:33:46 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 6 08:52:36 2018. The mailmen still had the option to come in to deliver packages and in doing so, get a day on the books to use at a later date. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:39:00 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:28:29 2018. On the other hand, suppose the South had never fired on Fort Sumter, but just left it there. Would Lincoln ever have order any military action? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:55:09 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:39:00 2018. Impossible. As the US never recognized secession, it would have continued to maintain garrisons in the southern states. Therefore, some kind of skirmish was inevitable. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:58:12 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:55:09 2018. Therefore, some kind of skirmish was inevitable.But what if the government of the Confederacy had gone massively out of its way to avoid one? Would Lincoln have built up large garrisons to the point they were a military threat to the South? |
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Posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 6 20:04:29 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 14:47:11 2018. But "society as a whole" is not providing the UP train. Preview your replies through your opponent's eyes, it'll leave them less room to make rebuttals.Bill |
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Posted by Bzuck on Thu Dec 6 20:09:55 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 6 18:00:21 2018. I have no idea. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:06:23 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 6 14:19:43 2018. So how does a thread that started as one about rail transit magically move to the Off Topic side? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:13:03 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 15:04:56 2018. I notice. When I started that sub-thread, he responded to me and all the other responses were responses also to him.So far you are the only the second person to respond to me. Ego thing? Of course not, but I know damn well I won't responding to him under any circumstances on any subject. Others will. It's all good, just expressing my opinion on how we all should treat him. IDK if we have a feature here to block people or not. I just hope the webmaster gets to notice this train wreck of a thread and make it disappear! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:16:11 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 14:15:04 2018. My grave-to-be in Pinelawn is directly across from the Ronkonkoma line. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 21:16:39 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:58:12 2018. The Confederacy was preparing for war as soon as the first states broke away from the Union. I don't see Davis, Stephens, or Lee advocating a policy of nonaggression, not with a known Abolitionist in the White House. Lincoln's election was a catalyst for secession, because even as early as 1859, it was generally understood that one of Lincoln's first-term objectives was to end slavery.Lee, in fact, knew full well that war was coming. At its beginning, he was the superintendent of West Point. Many of the commanders in both armies were, by and large, his own students. Fully aware of this, he still refused Lincoln's offer to command the Union Army, and marched off to fight for slavery, against the veryofficers he, himself, had taught the art of war. A civil "Cold War" was never even remotely possible. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 6 21:51:52 2018, in response to Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 14:26:20 2018. But bad mouthing a dead president has no place by me.No, presidents should not become immune to criticism when they die. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 6 21:52:36 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 19:33:46 2018. "get a day on the books to use at a later date."As in a "comp day" as it was called on Metro North. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 6 21:56:54 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:06:23 2018. I don't know. Ask LuchAAA, he's the one who brought it over there. |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 6 21:58:50 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:13:03 2018. Bill, you are a mensch. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 6 21:59:32 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:13:03 2018. "I just hope the webmaster gets to notice this train wreck of a thread and make it disappear!"Getting the webmaster to notice anything here in the first place would be worthy of its own thread! |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Thu Dec 6 22:00:13 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 6 21:51:52 2018. Uncouth and distrustful. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Dec 6 22:09:22 2018, in response to Tour of funeral train, posted by Dave on Wed Dec 5 22:14:36 2018. Thanks Dave,Just a simple boring note of appreciation from me. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 6 22:13:48 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Dec 6 15:57:42 2018. I hope we can agree that slavery was morally wrong in an objective sense, even then. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 22:18:21 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by kp5308 on Thu Dec 6 19:32:43 2018. You're welcome! |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 6 22:18:45 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 19:28:29 2018. It is objective fact that the war was fought to preserve the Union, not primarily to end slavery. Of course, secession wouldn't have happened in the first place without the slavery issue, so it was the indirect cause, but not the direct cause. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Dec 6 22:19:17 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by jimmymc25 on Thu Dec 6 22:09:22 2018. Glad to help! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 22:27:18 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Dec 6 22:18:45 2018. Looks like you need to read history again.Also read the Confederate constitution, because it was primarily about preserving "the right of property in Negro slaves" as it puts it in Article 1, Section, 9, Clause 4. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Dec 6 22:30:39 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:13:03 2018. IDK if we have a feature here to block people or notThis script written ten years ago by a Subchatter mimics the old Subtalk "killfile" feature (called "block user" these days; "killfile" was derived from Usenet newsgroups IIRC). |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 22:47:38 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 6 21:13:03 2018. OK, I'm genuinely curious now. You're not a usual member of Team Crazy; you generally seemed to be perfectly normal. So how did you suddenly develop a raging hate-boner for me?I posted a generic, innocuous comment lamenting the undeserved accolades being heaped upon the recently-deceased Bush. Your response was fairly innocuous and polite, so I responded respectfully in turn. And then you jumped off the deep end faster than Terrapin Station. What happened? Were you always crazy and just coy about it up until now? If so, why did Bush convince you to start ranting? This can't just be about "respect for the dead" without some additional authoritarianism heaped on top. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 22:47:41 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by AlM on Thu Dec 6 19:39:00 2018. There's no chance the south could have seceded without a war, but they could have preserved slavery if they hadn't seceded. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 22:47:43 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Bill West on Thu Dec 6 20:04:29 2018. But "society as a whole" is not providing the UP train.If the train is running, then society as a whole is allowing it to run. That there is a funeral train for Bush, but not for any of the people being murdered by American-funded wars is the product of social conditions. These conditions have room for improvement. That's the point. Preview your replies through your opponent's eyes, it'll leave them less room to make rebuttals. No one has offered a coherent rebuttal to anything I've said. It's mostly just ranty whining that dead kings presidents should be exempt from criticism and/or general unprovoked hatred of me personally. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 22:47:45 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Joe V on Thu Dec 6 18:00:54 2018. Are you almost done whining? I've got a juice box for you when you're done. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 22:47:47 2018, in response to Re: Tour of funeral train, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 6 16:58:49 2018. You clearly haven't been paying attention. That the nutjobs, moral degenerates, and mental defectives of various stripes who infest SubChat all hate me is something I consider a point of pride— if evil people hate me, that suggests I'm doing something right.It's also kind of a relief— sensible people can be a bit frustrated with the current conditions of the world, so every now and then I take a quick dip into SubChat to remind myself that as powerful as the nutters may seem, they're actually fragile little snowflakes who melt into screaming tantrums if you so much as mention that some dead skell that they worship was not a good person. Half of them are dancing like puppets and they don't even notice— even when I explicitly point it out to them. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Dec 6 22:47:48 2018, in response to Re: Boycott (was:Tour of funeral train), posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Dec 6 21:16:39 2018. Lincoln's election was a catalyst for secession, because even as early as 1859, it was generally understood that one of Lincoln's first-term objectives was to end slavery.Really? Lincoln is on record supporting slavery. |
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