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Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 21 15:59:41 2018 link |
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Posted by sloth on Fri Sep 21 22:20:05 2018, in response to Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 21 15:59:41 2018. Another victory lap for Andy boy! |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Sat Sep 22 00:15:37 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by sloth on Fri Sep 21 22:20:05 2018. How hard is it to lay 13 miles of track above ground, on nearly flat territory in an existing right-of-way?OK, make that "How hard is it in the rest of the world." |
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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:15:10 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Steamdriven on Sat Sep 22 00:15:37 2018. There was no room on the ROW for a third track; it had to be built from scratch by buying up adjacent property. Lots of local opposition to this and some still remains.And it sure is counting one's chickens to say that a project that has just broken ground a couple of weeks ago will be finished "more than a year ahead of schedule" (estimated to open by 2022, for now and only costing $265 million per mile). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:16:34 2018, in response to Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 21 15:59:41 2018. How the hell does he know when it'll get finished, or all of those other politicians that they painstakingly quote there? Tons of hot air. |
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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 22 05:12:26 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:15:10 2018. This is about the double track east of Farmingdale, not 3rd track west of Hicksville. There will be no condemnations needed for the latter, |
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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule! |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Sep 22 05:18:15 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:16:34 2018. It's open right now. |
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Posted by sloth on Sat Sep 22 10:00:34 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by sloth on Fri Sep 21 22:20:05 2018. I just imagined Will Ferrell and John C Reilly playing Cuomo and Christie in a movie called "Let's Be Governors" |
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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 10:45:45 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 22 05:12:26 2018. Whose "schedule" is it on? |
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Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 10:46:09 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 22 05:12:26 2018. Whose "schedule" is it on? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 22 11:37:56 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:15:10 2018. Boy, are you confused. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 22 11:38:39 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:16:34 2018. Senility. Yours, not his. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sat Sep 22 13:48:29 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 22 11:37:56 2018. Par for the course with him... |
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Posted by andy on Sat Sep 22 13:55:14 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Steamdriven on Sat Sep 22 00:15:37 2018. Its not like putting down track for a model railroad. This project required LIRR to: Rebuild a number of grade crossings Make major adjustments to signals and switches Make adjustments to communications systems Install new third rails as needed and make adjustments to electrical substations Build two new platforms (Wyandanch and Pinelawn) Build new station building (Wyandanch) Grade the right-of-way and install ballast and drainage prior to track laying Test all of the new equipment before it is open for public use Do much of the work while trains are running on the adjacent, active track, ensuring that passengers and train workers are safe. Its not as easy as it looks. Lots of small, detailed tasks, all of which must be done carefully to ensure that no one is injured or worse. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 22 14:12:04 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by andy on Sat Sep 22 13:55:14 2018. Good Post! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 22 15:02:31 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:15:10 2018. I see reading comprehension isnt one of your strong points.Remedial courses are available at your local library. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Sep 22 15:25:22 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 22 14:12:04 2018. +1000.....!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 18:35:36 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by andy on Sat Sep 22 13:55:14 2018. Its not like putting down track for a model railroadThey've only been at it for close to two centuries. It's not like they have to reinvent the wheel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 10:20:04 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 18:35:36 2018. More like 2 years. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 12:27:35 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 10:20:04 2018. I was referring to laying track and building stations per se. There were railroad tracks for horse-drawn carts in existence long before the steam locomotive was invented too. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 13:04:32 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 12:27:35 2018. Double tracking has all the complexities as Andy said above. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 23 13:08:07 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 13:04:32 2018. Olog still lives in the horse-car era. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 13:51:36 2018, in response to Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 21 15:59:41 2018. We like to make fun of Andy, often with good reason.But this particular, very needed project, can be checked off and moved into the "DONE" column. That's a good thing, no matter how it's sliced. |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Sun Sep 23 13:52:20 2018, in response to Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 21 15:59:41 2018. What about the half hour off peak & weekend service that riders were promised after the double track was completed. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 14:10:55 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 13:51:36 2018. So where's the half hourly off peak service the LIAR claimed we would get ? ? ? Is the latest excuse lack of M-9's as they have let the M-3 fleet fall apart ?The little they had about a year ago is gone, and not projected in the future, undated schedules. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 14:11:21 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Chicago44 on Sun Sep 23 13:52:20 2018. I just said that before I got to read your post. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 14:14:19 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Chicago44 on Sun Sep 23 13:52:20 2018. Learn how to use question marks, Chipper. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 23 14:27:50 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 14:10:55 2018. I believe the third track on the mainline west of there is needed before half hourly service can be done? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 23 14:31:03 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Steamdriven on Sat Sep 22 00:15:37 2018. ????First off, Wyandanch only had one platform for both directions, so an entire new platform as well as crossover, elevators, etc had to be added. Second, in many spots, while there was room for a second track, it was necessary to grade for the track, etc. Not to mention signalling and electrical work. Not to mention actual laying of the track. Grade crossing widening and upgrades. All being done while trying minimum disruption to existing trains on the other track. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 23 14:32:34 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Sep 22 01:15:10 2018. ?????????Opposition is on the third track west of there, not the completing and connecting of the 2nd track east of Farmingdale. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 15:04:03 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 23 14:27:50 2018. Nope. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 16:44:57 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 23 14:32:34 2018. Olog has made about 5 posts in this thread about the 3-track project, despite the fact that everyone else is talking about the double tracking. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 16:59:21 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 14:10:55 2018. Even that doesn't, IMO, detract from completion of this project being a good thing. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 17:01:12 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 23 14:27:50 2018. The most critical aspect to increased reverse peak service will be additional rolling stock. The key will be the delivery and acceptance of the M-9s |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 17:13:07 2018, in response to Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 21 15:59:41 2018. As usual, the governor is banging his drum loudly because there is little applause. The 2nd track project having been completed a year early is less meaningful because the M-9 project in not a year ahead of schedule, too. Until the M-9s are delivered and put into service we'll see very minimal service improvements beyond being able to run around a stalled train until they have the rolling stock they need. I wonder what the governor can do about that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 23 18:13:04 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Sep 23 14:32:34 2018. Yeah, I got them mixed up.Bad enough the schedule games for all of the LIRR's projects anyhow. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:49:39 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 17:01:12 2018. The equipment is laying in Ronkonkoma yard. There is no excuse why they can't run reverse-peak with it. They can leave the few M-3 consists (and there were all of 3 of them there over this weekend) can stay behind.M-9's will not be additional rolling stock for some years to come, only to replace M-3's. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:50:59 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 16:59:21 2018. So they spent $400 million for basically nothing, except MAYBE improve OTP slightly, and that remains to be seen. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:57:57 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 17:13:07 2018. Why did the LIRR promise reverse peak and half hour service upon completion of DOUBLE track, not the Main Line West triple track, now would like us all to forget it ?Look at the schedules they had up until a year or so ago. There was some half-hourly service. That is gone. It is a de facto service cut for the bloated operating budget. Over-staffed trains and poor equipment utilization for their schedules. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 19:08:45 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:57:57 2018. Whether there is hourly or half hourly service to Ronkonkoma weekdays mid-day cannot possibly depend on completion of the third track or equipment availability. It definitely does depend on the second track being completed, however. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 19:12:42 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:50:59 2018. How do you know that the next schedule won't have an eastbound arrival or two between 7:26 and 8:59, or half hourly mid-day service? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 19:15:18 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 19:08:45 2018. True.Port Washington and the Babylon line get half hourly service (sometimes thrice hourly weekdays) with double track and the occasional, temperamental M-3. It may be the LIRR's internal excuse, but it's not a valid excuse. The Port Jeff has an abandoned passing track and platform at Greenlawn and 10 or 12 car platforms for the stillborn electrification project with at best 8 car diesel trains. The LIAR told us 20 years ago dual-modes were "same as electrification". Of course they lied. The Port Jeff and South Shore get 2 such per rush hour each way and no reversion of Ronkonkoma Line ridership back to them. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 19:18:25 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 23 19:12:42 2018. Up until a week ago, they had an undated PDF branch schedule. No half hour service, but a complete reverse peak service. They have since taken it down. Before that, like in August, they had an early September date on it, but never implemented it. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 23 19:59:22 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:49:39 2018. "M-9's will not be additional rolling stock for some years to come, only to replace M-3's"That seems like an overlooked point. Question I raise is the LIRR replacing the M-3s with M-9s on an even up swap out basis or is the LIRR ordering more M-9s than the amt of M-3s going to the torch? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Sep 23 20:27:33 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 14:10:55 2018. So where's the half hourly off peak service the LIAR claimed we would get ? ? ?They would need extra crews for those extra trains, right ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Sep 23 20:35:23 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 23 19:59:22 2018. Or will we see MARC coaches some how being leased to bolster the car pool? |
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Posted by sloth on Sun Sep 23 21:26:57 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:49:39 2018. Try again. The M9 and M3 fleets will operate concurrently. The threes will be equipped with PTC. They, and their west car bathroom stink, aren't going anywhere... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Sep 23 22:07:36 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:50:59 2018. Having an extra track at least makes additional service possible. If not this administration, a future administration might add the service. They won't have the excuse that there's "insufficient trackage". It's really quite silly, IMO for a mainline rail branch to be single-tracked.Even if it's not used to its full potential, I don't see it as a bad thing that it's there. Perhaps someday soon, it will be fully utilized. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 22:33:54 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 23 19:59:22 2018. The original order is for 92 cars, presumably to replace the m-3s but there is an option for110 additional cars for the LIRR and 494 cars m-9/m-9a IIRC |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Sep 23 22:38:30 2018, in response to Re: Completion of Historic LIRR Double Track More Than a Year Ahead of Schedule, posted by Joe V on Sun Sep 23 18:57:57 2018. The promise was presumably contingent on a timely completion of the 2nd track in conjunction with the delivery of new rolling stock. They did not take into account early completion of the track project. |
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