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The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018 Is there any hope that the Chambers Street station on the BMT "J"/"Z" line will finally be overhauled and repaired?!? Hmmm, possibly...MTA Overhauling Forgotten Subway After NY Post Report. -William A. Padron ["Chambers Street"] |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:57:50 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. It is going to take a lot rat traps and poison, but they'll probably run off to Canal Street. They are not stupid animals |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Fri May 25 18:18:49 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. I wonder if the station will close temporary while this work is going on but let me say that finally this station will get overhaul. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 18:27:22 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. I was on a Charter many, many moons ago, that started there. It was awful down there. I was glad when we could get on the train. It possibly was a MOD trip. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 19:14:34 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018.  |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 19:19:36 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 19:14:34 2018. Now - trains look better - stations look worse.I'd expect them to do a Canal Street-like cover up of the abandoned platform. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 25 20:31:04 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Chicago44 on Fri May 25 18:18:49 2018. We're talking about a renovation of Ellis Island proportions here. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 25 20:32:02 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 18:27:22 2018. The late Karl B said it looked pretty bad even in the 50s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 25 20:33:42 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. I can hear Moe now: "Don't you worry, folks. You won't recognize this place when we're through! All right men, get to work!" |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 25 20:34:45 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 19:19:36 2018. That's probably all we will get for now. Some of those water and sewer pipes date back to 1913, or before. The station has been altered several times for the Brooklyn Bridge el connector, the Municipal archive storage, and...??? That station will need a LOT of work to fix the leaks and stop the crumbling. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 20:50:37 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 25 20:34:45 2018. Somewhere in that sewer is an LIRR checked baggage room. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 20:51:46 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 25 20:31:04 2018. It is almost like they don't know where to begin. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 25 21:14:42 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 20:50:37 2018. I'm sure that Tunnelrat could tell us a few things about Chambers St. All of those doors and hatches, and where they lead to, for example.. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 25 22:07:41 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Elkeeper on Fri May 25 21:14:42 2018. VERY INTERESTING STATION. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 25 22:28:59 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. You know Vincent Price is bound to emerge from behind a pillar and say, "Good evening. Vat are you doing in my station?!?" |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:50:57 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. I doubt it'll ever be properly fixed up.Although if the MTA started doing extensive renovations, I'd expect they'd try to connect the terminal/relay track on the southbound platform to the northbound track south of the station, then close the northbound platform entirely. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:24:30 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:57:50 2018. Canal Street?Wonder if they like Mandarin or Schechwan? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:29:59 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 19:14:34 2018. I hope they don't wall up the side platform - mosaics & the bridge picture-tablet (not correct terminology) will be gone from view. They should be landmarked, like the rest of the tilework/mosaics throughout the system.And, the unused platform adds a bit of visual history to the station. It doesn't interfere with RR operations, and could be used as an extra platform if a situation makes it necessary. So, they'll wall it up and put re-done faux tilework up similar to the wall of the downtown local track at Brooklyn Bridge? Sad. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:32:22 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 25 22:07:41 2018. I agree with you. And awesome with its extensive space, long staircases, imposing thick pillars, and its high ceiling. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 26 01:46:07 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 20:51:46 2018. I have a suspicion that that is why it hasn't yet been renovated.They should extend the platforms to 10 cars as a sortof future proofing while they're at it. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 26 03:48:24 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 26 01:46:07 2018. Exactly!That would be one of the FIRST things I would do, extend it to allow for 10 car trains. This would also allow if a G.O. were necessary from 6th Avenue trains to do the old switchover as was done in 1982-'83 such trains to stop at Chambers. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 26 03:51:36 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:29:59 2018. The downtown side I believe had its platform actually demolished in 1962 to allow for the Brooklyn Bridge platforms to be extended to 10 cars. |
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Posted by MTA T on Sat May 26 04:19:59 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 26 03:51:36 2018. Seems so; if you look into the tunnel at the north end on the northbound local track at Brooklyn Bridge 456 you can see columns from the Chambers St JZ station. |
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Posted by MTA T on Sat May 26 04:21:26 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:32:22 2018. And unfinished tunnels to the Brooklyn Bridge south of the station that connect directly to wine cellars. |
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Posted by MTA T on Sat May 26 04:23:57 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri May 25 19:14:34 2018. That would be a waste. Nothing should be done to it unless they need to waterproof the station. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat May 26 07:06:15 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:29:59 2018. The MTA's attitude toward station renovations has changed over the years; I strongly doubt they will cover up those mosaics of the "Brooklyn Bridge". |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:25:30 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat May 26 01:46:07 2018. That would be a monumental undertaking with a nasty curve on one end and an interlocking at the other. That is far beyond the scope of an ADA project. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:27:36 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by MTA T on Sat May 26 04:19:59 2018. From the southbound J track, the underside of stairs descend to the northbound 6 platform right over the train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:29:12 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:50:57 2018. But they do not wan t to lose the ability to terminate a service there, or to terminate one service while running the other through, such as when the M can't head up to 6th Avenue. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:48:12 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. Well, first, you have to believe the Post. Then you would have to believe that repairs *are* possible at all, what with sewers and maybe a river (of sorts) above the station, repairs would have to be made to properties that are not under MTA control.Of course cleaning those tiles is easy, if they wanted to do it. They *are* tiles after all. Twenty people on a "Windex-Train" could come in each evening, and after a week or two that station could just sparkle. ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:53:06 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:29:59 2018. Offer the empty platform to a private concern to build a fancy restaurant there. Some glass windows at the platform edge and you could do something nice with it, and earn rent besides.ROAR |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 26 08:55:57 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by MTA T on Sat May 26 04:21:26 2018. the tunnels DO NOT connect to the wine cellar,they ramp UP to the bridge. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 09:15:18 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by MTA T on Sat May 26 04:19:59 2018. If you were to knock out that wall, both stations would be in plain sight of each other. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 09:16:55 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:48:12 2018. If you hired the Three Stooges, it might take just a little longer. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat May 26 12:54:15 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 25 18:27:22 2018. Probably the last one before the L went full CBTC. I remember it was with the R9s.Saturday, January 1, 2005. Car 401 was having an identity crisis: running as 156 for the trip from Columbus Circle to Coney Island via the Brighton Express, then as 411/408 for the MoD trip which started at Chambers Street. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 26 12:58:07 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 09:15:18 2018. Mr. Lhota, Tear down that wall! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 14:57:05 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 09:15:18 2018. Is that wall really necessary ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 14:58:56 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat May 26 07:06:15 2018. The can sand blast this relic, clean it up, then put up a see-thru glass brick wall to hermetically seal it, keep vandals and rats out. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:17:54 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:25:30 2018. The way the Centre St Line is presently configured, it wouldn’t be that difficult to move the interlocking a bit towards Canal St. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:22:12 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:29:59 2018. They could possibly duplicate the mosaics on the existing wall and place a new duplicate of it to seal off the platform much like the MTA did at Dekalb and 36 St. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:25:58 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:50:57 2018. The difference in levels is too great. By the way, the relay track can’t be extended to hold a 600 ft train since it ends right at the east wall of the IRT 7 Av subway. If the platform were to be extended, the relay track will probably be abandoned much like the "Penn Pocket” west of Exchange Pl on the PATH |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 15:31:31 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by MTA T on Sat May 26 04:19:59 2018. re: if you look into the tunnel ... on the northbound local track at Brooklyn Bridge ... you can see columns from the Chambers St JZ station.H-m-m-m-m, I wonder if the original porcelain signs were just left on these columns (assuming they were the platform columns), if so, just need to clean off the layers of dust, steel dust, and grit, and mount one or two somewhere in Chambers St. station - and if more, mount the others in the transit museum. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 15:34:12 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:22:12 2018. It's been awhile since I've ridden through DeKalb and 36th St. Where are the duplicate mosaics located at these stations?Thanks. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 26 16:14:38 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat May 26 12:58:07 2018. made me laugh. Nice. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 16:42:06 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat May 26 12:54:15 2018. 401 posed as 491 when it served as a schoolcar in Queens all those years. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 26 16:42:36 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 00:29:59 2018. I would hope they didn't do much more than fix the leaks and make any absolutely necessary structural repairs. That station is a monument to the past. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 16:45:01 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Express Rider on Sat May 26 15:34:12 2018. At the north end of DeKalb, where there used to be an opening in the wall between the tunnel tracks and bypass tracks. Before the reconfiguration, there used to be switches there. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 26 16:45:06 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Nilet on Fri May 25 23:50:57 2018. Yes, I'd imagine that to be on their minds. Loss of turnback capability there would be a silly move- whenever there's trouble on 6th Avenue or Queens Blvd, the M has to go there. And even in the Brave New World of all CBTC, this is NYC, and there's guaranteed to be trouble of some kind or another. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 18:14:34 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:17:54 2018. Would they have to demolish some tunnel walls and pillars between the J tracks and Mannie B stub tracks ? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 26 19:47:43 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:48:12 2018. If you lived here, you would know not to believe the FOX/Rupert Murdoch NY (Toilet Paper) Post.I wouldn't use that paper for the bird cage liner, the cat box liner, shreaded paper for the hamster cage...….. Animals deserve better. |
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