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MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 23 23:38:19 2018 http://www.mta.info/press-release/mta-headquarters/mta-announces-brooklyn-queens-lirr-fare-and-ticketing-field-studyBy Introducing New “Atlantic Ticket,” Agency Seeks to Determine if Lower LIRR Fares Influence Ridership Habits and Operations of LIRR, Subways, Buses |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 07:27:44 2018, in response to MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 23 23:38:19 2018. I'd have made it and City ticket $3.75, so that it plus $2.75 for a connecting bus in Jamaica comes out the same as express bus fare en toto. |
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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu May 24 08:07:43 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 07:27:44 2018. City Tix is $4.25.Fine people will change to Atlantic Ave for the savings until East Side Access opens up and Atlantic Terminal becomes shuttle service. |
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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu May 24 19:40:17 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu May 24 08:07:43 2018. I was wondering about that, because the shuttle service would be kind of inconvenient having to go up and over to switch platforms. |
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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 24 19:52:57 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 07:27:44 2018. The only change I'd make with LIRR/MNRR would be a free transfer to/from the subway. They could accomplish it by doing something like including a $5.50 MetroCard on the back of round trip tickets (I don't expect MVMs to start selling commuter rail tickets so it would only really be accomplished with multi-ride cards). 10 trips would have $55.50 on it. Monthly/weekly would include an automatic monthly/weekly. |
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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 24 20:02:02 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Thu May 24 19:40:17 2018. Though I wonder if this is successful they would consider eliminating the plan to make Brooklyn a shuttle only and run what they do now? |
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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 24 22:59:37 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 24 19:52:57 2018. The only change I'd make with LIRR/MNRR would be a free transfer to/from the subwayDon't be a freeloader. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 25 00:20:04 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 24 20:02:02 2018. It's possible, (or maybe not?) I heard that they're rearranging the switches in a way that makes those moves difficult.They probably want to make the cross platform transfers at Jamaica be between Penn Station and Grand Central trains only |
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Posted by northshore on Fri May 25 11:01:00 2018, in response to MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 23 23:38:19 2018. The "Atlantic Ticket" should apply to all LIRR stations within Queens and Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:23:55 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by northshore on Fri May 25 11:01:00 2018. It would be difficult to screen out such people from Woodside to Penn Station. Overrides would be abused.When the fare zone were first set up in 1975, everything west of Jamaica was Zone 1B. But the entire line to Penn Station was Zone 1A. It cost more to go to Kew Gardens than to LIC. At that point a pair of Hunterspoint trains stopping at Kew Gardens or Forest Hills in either direction ran closed door. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 26 12:24:06 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 25 00:20:04 2018. Which makes sense. |
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Posted by lirr42 on Sun May 27 10:26:39 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:23:55 2018. The only effective way to do all of this is to apply any fare reductions or tariff policy changes to all stations systemwide, that way everything remains fair and you don't unduly influence travel patterns.Part of this study is to see if the fare reductions influence travel patterns, and in the haphazard way they are doing this, of course it will. If someone commuting from Queens Village to the Financial District switches from going via NY-Penn Station to Brklyn-Atlantic Terminal, then that's good. But if someone commutes from Queens Village to Midtown and switches to Brklyn-Atlantic Terminal and crowds the subway unnecessarily to just take advantage of the discount, then that commute actually gets longer, and that's not really any better than what we have now. Similarly, the potential issues of people driving across the city line from Bellerose, Floral Park, Valley Stream, etc. to take advantage of the fare discounts, especially if ticket prices on Long Island are allowed to continue to skyrocket as they are now. My two cents: reduce all fares so that the maximum one-way fare between any two stations in NYC is equal to the effective express bus fare ($6.19). Eliminate off-peak fares (the reduced base fares would generally be less than the current off-peak fare anyways), and the time restrictions on using half-fare and family fare tickets so they can be used on any train during the day. Calculate the fares for unlimited-use tickets the way they are for the MetroCard (i.e. less of a discount, higher multipliers) for 30-day, 7-day, and calendar monthly passes. Unlimited passes sold to/from NYC zones should include 2 NYCT subway/bus trips per service day (4:00a-3:59a), plus all associated free transfers. Passes sold to/from LI zones should as well include unlimited travel on local buses in the county(ies) of the origins/destinations. I don't think it's necessary to include free transfers to the subway for one-way and ten-trip tickets. Zones: break up some of the larger zones into smaller units so ticket prices are more reflective of the actual distance traveled (i.e. the fare shouldn't be the same from Rockville Centre as it is from Syosset, nor the same to Kew Gardens as New York). Example fares: http://library1.thelirrtoday.com/b/s!Alzm51r4FWdWh7Z4czlH4eV3jqeCJA |
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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 27 14:29:16 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by lirr42 on Sun May 27 10:26:39 2018. Or put the fare zone 4 thru 15 back to the way it was in the 1970's.(Montauk was all by itself in 15) |
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