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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by lirr42 on Sun May 27 10:26:39 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:23:55 2018.

The only effective way to do all of this is to apply any fare reductions or tariff policy changes to all stations systemwide, that way everything remains fair and you don't unduly influence travel patterns.

Part of this study is to see if the fare reductions influence travel patterns, and in the haphazard way they are doing this, of course it will. If someone commuting from Queens Village to the Financial District switches from going via NY-Penn Station to Brklyn-Atlantic Terminal, then that's good. But if someone commutes from Queens Village to Midtown and switches to Brklyn-Atlantic Terminal and crowds the subway unnecessarily to just take advantage of the discount, then that commute actually gets longer, and that's not really any better than what we have now. Similarly, the potential issues of people driving across the city line from Bellerose, Floral Park, Valley Stream, etc. to take advantage of the fare discounts, especially if ticket prices on Long Island are allowed to continue to skyrocket as they are now.


My two cents: reduce all fares so that the maximum one-way fare between any two stations in NYC is equal to the effective express bus fare ($6.19).

Eliminate off-peak fares (the reduced base fares would generally be less than the current off-peak fare anyways), and the time restrictions on using half-fare and family fare tickets so they can be used on any train during the day.

Calculate the fares for unlimited-use tickets the way they are for the MetroCard (i.e. less of a discount, higher multipliers) for 30-day, 7-day, and calendar monthly passes. Unlimited passes sold to/from NYC zones should include 2 NYCT subway/bus trips per service day (4:00a-3:59a), plus all associated free transfers. Passes sold to/from LI zones should as well include unlimited travel on local buses in the county(ies) of the origins/destinations. I don't think it's necessary to include free transfers to the subway for one-way and ten-trip tickets.

Zones: break up some of the larger zones into smaller units so ticket prices are more reflective of the actual distance traveled (i.e. the fare shouldn't be the same from Rockville Centre as it is from Syosset, nor the same to Kew Gardens as New York).

Example fares: http://library1.thelirrtoday.com/b/s!Alzm51r4FWdWh7Z4czlH4eV3jqeCJA

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