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MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 23 23:38:19 2018

http://www.mta.info/press-release/mta-headquarters/mta-announces-brooklyn-queens-lirr-fare-and-ticketing-field-study

By Introducing New “Atlantic Ticket,” Agency Seeks to Determine if Lower LIRR Fares Influence Ridership Habits and Operations of LIRR, Subways, Buses

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) today announced that starting on June 6 it will introduce “Atlantic Ticket” field study, which will offer discounted Long Island Rail Road fares for customers traveling between Brooklyn and seven stations in Queens on a temporary basis. The study will be designed to measure what impact the lower fare will have on ridership on the LIRR and New York City subways and buses.

The study is being conducted for travel to and from Atlantic Terminal, Brooklyn, where the LIRR has more seating capacity on existing trains than it does on trains to Penn Station. It applies to seven stations in Queens that are listed below and offer service to and from Brooklyn and where customers often use bus service provided by the MTA. Customers at eligible stations can board either Atlantic Terminal-bound trains (or Penn-bound trains and transfer to an Atlantic Terminal-bound train at Jamaica). The Atlantic Ticket field study builds upon a program first proposed by the New York City Transit Riders Council.

“Many of our customers from eastern and southeastern Queens live near enough to the LIRR to use it regularly, but because of our existing fare structure they’ve historically chosen to commute using a combination of MTA subways and buses,” said MTA Chairman Joseph Lhota. “This study will let us gauge whether lowering LIRR fares has an effect on ridership of the LIRR, subway and express buses. We also want to see how the policy change affects existing LIRR operations.”

Andrew Albert, MTA Board Member and Chair of the New York City Transit Riders Council said: “I am extremely gratified that our proposal is being given a thorough and well publicized test for southeast Queens and Brooklyn. We believe this will change travel patterns and give people a lot more of their personal time back at a reasonable rate. It may also reduce overcrowding on several overcrowded subway lines.”

Under the study, the fare for a one-way LIRR ticket between Brooklyn and the seven Queens stations will be $5.00, a reduction of 51% from the current peak fare of $10.25, and a reduction of 33% from the current off-peak fare of $7.50.

The combined one-way fare covering the LIRR and NYC Transit portions of a trip will be $7.75 ($5 for the LIRR Atlantic Ticket and $2.75 for NYC Transit pay-per-ride fare). “This one-way fare is intended to attract customers traveling occasionally, or interested in trying out LIRR before purchasing the weekly pass,” Chairman Lhota said.

For commuters interested in more frequent travel on LIRR, the MTA will also offer a $60.00 joint weekly unlimited-ride ticket valid for LIRR travel between the selected stations and transfers to NYC subways and buses. (This amount is almost the same as the $59.50 current express bus weekly unlimited fare, which also offers unlimited trips on subways or local buses.)

Compared to the current fares in Southeast Queens, the special $60 weekly ticket will offer a 42.5% discount over the combined current two-system fare of $104.25.

The 10 LIRR stations listed below are covered under the field study. The stations with convenient subway connections are noted below.

Brooklyn

Atlantic Terminal
East New York
Nostrand Avenue

Queens

Hollis
Jamaica
Laurelton
Locust Manor
Queens Village
Rosedale
Albans

Customers can purchase the discounted LIRR tickets at ticket machines or from ticket sales offices and will have the option to add a $5.50 New York City Transit fare to their one way or round trip tickets. The tickets for this field study will not be available via the MTA’s eTix app.

The tickets offered in this field study will also not be available for purchase from conductors on board trains. Customers requesting tickets on board trains will be charged the existing higher on board sales rates: $16 for a peak-hour one-way rail-only ticket, or $14 for an off-peak one-way rail-only ticket. Weekly tickets are not sold aboard trains.

The $60 weekly tickets, like current LIRR weekly tickets, will be valid from 12:01 a.m. every Saturday through midnight on the following Friday for travel on LIRR and valid for 7 days after first swipe for travel on local buses and subway. The $5.00 one-way ticket, like the current CityTicket, will be valid on the day of purchase only.

From Hollis, Laurelton, Locust Manor, Queens Village, Rosedale and St. Albans, the LIRR offers rush hour service roughly every 20 minutes and hourly off-peak service. Off-peak trains serve Brooklyn stations directly. For some peak-hour trains, customers will need to change trains at Jamaica.

Between Brooklyn and Jamaica, the LIRR offers direct rush hour service of roughly every 10 minutes, and off-peak service every 30 minutes.
As part of the metrics it evaluates, the MTA will seek to evaluate whether existing LIRR customers who travel to Penn Station will switch their travel to Atlantic Terminal. The LIRR last offered discounts to Atlantic Terminal in summer 2017, when service to Penn Station was affected by track reconstruction work being conducted by Amtrak


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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 07:27:44 2018, in response to MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 23 23:38:19 2018.

I'd have made it and City ticket $3.75, so that it plus $2.75 for a connecting bus in Jamaica comes out the same as express bus fare en toto.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu May 24 08:07:43 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 07:27:44 2018.

City Tix is $4.25.
Fine people will change to Atlantic Ave for the savings until East Side Access opens up and Atlantic Terminal becomes shuttle service.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by N6 Limited on Thu May 24 19:40:17 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu May 24 08:07:43 2018.

I was wondering about that, because the shuttle service would be kind of inconvenient having to go up and over to switch platforms.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 24 19:52:57 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 07:27:44 2018.

The only change I'd make with LIRR/MNRR would be a free transfer to/from the subway. They could accomplish it by doing something like including a $5.50 MetroCard on the back of round trip tickets (I don't expect MVMs to start selling commuter rail tickets so it would only really be accomplished with multi-ride cards). 10 trips would have $55.50 on it. Monthly/weekly would include an automatic monthly/weekly.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 24 20:02:02 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Thu May 24 19:40:17 2018.

Though I wonder if this is successful they would consider eliminating the plan to make Brooklyn a shuttle only and run what they do now?

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 24 22:59:37 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 24 19:52:57 2018.

The only change I'd make with LIRR/MNRR would be a free transfer to/from the subway

Don't be a freeloader.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 25 00:20:04 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 24 20:02:02 2018.

It's possible, (or maybe not?) I heard that they're rearranging the switches in a way that makes those moves difficult.

They probably want to make the cross platform transfers at Jamaica
be between Penn Station and Grand Central trains only

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by northshore on Fri May 25 11:01:00 2018, in response to MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 23 23:38:19 2018.

The "Atlantic Ticket" should apply to all LIRR stations within Queens and Brooklyn.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:23:55 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by northshore on Fri May 25 11:01:00 2018.

It would be difficult to screen out such people from Woodside to Penn Station. Overrides would be abused.

When the fare zone were first set up in 1975, everything west of Jamaica was Zone 1B. But the entire line to Penn Station was Zone 1A. It cost more to go to Kew Gardens than to LIC. At that point a pair of Hunterspoint trains stopping at Kew Gardens or Forest Hills in either direction ran closed door.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat May 26 12:24:06 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 25 00:20:04 2018.

Which makes sense.

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by lirr42 on Sun May 27 10:26:39 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 07:23:55 2018.

The only effective way to do all of this is to apply any fare reductions or tariff policy changes to all stations systemwide, that way everything remains fair and you don't unduly influence travel patterns.

Part of this study is to see if the fare reductions influence travel patterns, and in the haphazard way they are doing this, of course it will. If someone commuting from Queens Village to the Financial District switches from going via NY-Penn Station to Brklyn-Atlantic Terminal, then that's good. But if someone commutes from Queens Village to Midtown and switches to Brklyn-Atlantic Terminal and crowds the subway unnecessarily to just take advantage of the discount, then that commute actually gets longer, and that's not really any better than what we have now. Similarly, the potential issues of people driving across the city line from Bellerose, Floral Park, Valley Stream, etc. to take advantage of the fare discounts, especially if ticket prices on Long Island are allowed to continue to skyrocket as they are now.


My two cents: reduce all fares so that the maximum one-way fare between any two stations in NYC is equal to the effective express bus fare ($6.19).

Eliminate off-peak fares (the reduced base fares would generally be less than the current off-peak fare anyways), and the time restrictions on using half-fare and family fare tickets so they can be used on any train during the day.

Calculate the fares for unlimited-use tickets the way they are for the MetroCard (i.e. less of a discount, higher multipliers) for 30-day, 7-day, and calendar monthly passes. Unlimited passes sold to/from NYC zones should include 2 NYCT subway/bus trips per service day (4:00a-3:59a), plus all associated free transfers. Passes sold to/from LI zones should as well include unlimited travel on local buses in the county(ies) of the origins/destinations. I don't think it's necessary to include free transfers to the subway for one-way and ten-trip tickets.

Zones: break up some of the larger zones into smaller units so ticket prices are more reflective of the actual distance traveled (i.e. the fare shouldn't be the same from Rockville Centre as it is from Syosset, nor the same to Kew Gardens as New York).

Example fares: http://library1.thelirrtoday.com/b/s!Alzm51r4FWdWh7Z4czlH4eV3jqeCJA

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Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study

Posted by Joe V on Sun May 27 14:29:16 2018, in response to Re: MTA Announces Brooklyn-Queens LIRR Fare and Ticketing Field Study, posted by lirr42 on Sun May 27 10:26:39 2018.

Or put the fare zone 4 thru 15 back to the way it was in the 1970's.
(Montauk was all by itself in 15)

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