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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018 The R-10's didn't have Brighton Beach on the roll signs, so they displayed white. (September 1978)  Leaving Kings Highway en route to Brighton Beach, north motor #3332. (September 1978) Top of Kings Highway tower is visible.  Brighton Express breezes past Avenue H station. (September 1978)  A similar photo from an earlier time (September 15, 1956) Railroad Ave. Enterprises  Approaching Newkirk Ave.(now Newkirk Plaza) station. Concrete retaining walls look so much better without grafitti.  R-10's at Brighton Beach, either leaving or entering. R-10 #3047 must have been repainted looking good without any grafitti. (September 1978) This car had the R-16 storm door with porthole window.  And here is #3047 in green paint eleven years after these photos were taken, R-16 storm door visible. This photo was in the 2000 NYC Subways Calendar. Jamaica Buses #510 for the bus fans. (May 1989)  |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 09:49:31 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Excellent R-10's on the D-Brighton photos you had posted and shared. Thanks a lot, Bill!For the record, I was able to ride a ten-car set of the R-10's on the "D" Brighton in regular service only once, despite having seen them a few times along 6th Avenue in Manhattan. It was on Independence Day, July 4, 1980 on a northbound run from Avenue U to 145th Street lower level, with #3207 as the lead north motor unit (and still having its blue doors/grey panels interior), #3330 as the rear south motor unit. #3047 was NOT the only R-10 to have a R-16 storm door (that car collided with R-15 #5962 at 207th Street Yard in 1974). #3141 also received an R-16 storm door as well, as seen when it was painted green in service. -William A. Padron ["R-10"] |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Mar 15 10:25:17 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Nice! |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Mar 15 10:52:11 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Awesome! I never did get to ride the R-10 on the D line. Kinda funny seeing as it was my home line.That's awesome that you have a photo of the unit with the R-16 storm door on the head end of the consist. Thanks for sharing these treats. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 11:17:00 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 09:49:31 2018. Did they actually take the storm door off a retired R16 ? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 12:21:10 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Holy crap. How the hell did I miss this and how long did it last? Nice pictures, thanks for posting. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 12:25:25 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Did they run them rush hours only? |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:36:58 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 12:21:10 2018. Holy crap. How the hell did I miss this and how long did it last? Nice pictures, thanks for posting.Those pics were in 1978 while the pics on the (F) were 1980. Did the Rockwell truck fiasco occur in 1978 or 1980 ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:38:34 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 12:25:25 2018. Did they run them rush hours only?I don't know when I took those pics, if it was a week day or weekend. I assume it was all day. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:54:40 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 11:17:00 2018. Did they actually take the storm door off a retired R16 ?Most likely. Someone here must know if the R-16 storm door is the same size as the R-17 or not. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Mar 15 13:10:55 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:36:58 2018. I'm pretty sure it was closer to 1980 when the TA started restricting the R-46 to rush hours only, which made it necessary for the mass equipment shifting. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 13:12:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:54:40 2018. The R16 window had 2 round head set screws on the horizontal bar across. Sometimes the entire sash would be twisted sideways, but never remember the window open in the 1960's.I think the R15 & 17 could open. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Mar 15 13:17:32 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:38:34 2018. [i] I don't know when I took those pics, if it was a week day or weekend. I assume it was all day. [/i]Since you got pics of them on the Brighton line express tracks... I assume it was a weekday. When they terminated at Brighton Beach (weekdays approx 6 AM to 8 PM) it was the Brighton Express. Other times it was the Brighton local terminating at Coney Island. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Mar 15 13:24:05 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Thank you very much. Really nice :) |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 13:32:08 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:54:40 2018. #6304, wrecked in 1970 at Roosevelt Avenue, may have been the R-16 car's storm door that was put on #3047. The wider IND-BMT R-16's storm door is not the same size as the narrower IRT R-17 though.-William A. Padron ["a.c.f."] |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 13:33:45 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by WayneJay on Thu Mar 15 13:17:32 2018. Early during the QJ era, it was to Brighton Beach, the D ran to Coney Island instead at all times. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 13:35:03 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by WayneJay on Thu Mar 15 13:10:55 2018. Yeah, the R-46 truck fiasco was in 1980. Any R-10's that showed up on the "D" in 1978 was most likely because as what was available at Concourse Yard, taking cars that were normally assigned to the rush hour "CC" back then.-William A. Padron ["Concourse-205th St."] |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 13:39:16 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 13:32:08 2018. Was the actual window sash the same diameter ? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 15 13:48:17 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Awesome pics! I never did get a chance to ride R-10s on the Brighton line, but during 1980, I rode them everywhere else on the IND...LOL! |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Mar 15 14:32:00 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. Superb, as always! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 14:53:33 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 13:32:08 2018. The wider IND-BMT R-16's storm door is not the same size as the narrower IRT R-17 though.That's what I thought. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 14:56:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 15 13:48:17 2018. Awesome pics! I never did get a chance to ride R-10s on the Brighton line, but during 1980, I rode them everywhere else on the IND...LOL!Thanks JZ. A memorable time that will never be repeated. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 15 15:05:49 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Mar 15 13:48:17 2018. I remember when I was in high school the GG had them in 5 car sets at some times when I got out of class early, I was just joyride the shit out of them. I also do remember them on the F and the D and I remember looking out the front window for the Central Park Dash |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 15:11:25 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 12:36:58 2018. It started in 1980 with the R44/46 equipment swap between the A,D,E,F; the R10 swap between the CC,E,F; and R32s placed on the E,F (don't know where those came from).However IIRC the fallout from the Rockwell Truck fiasco continued in 1982 when the TA mothballed the entire R44 fleet from the A train, removed their trucks and temporarily placed them on the R46s. As a result, the TA pulled the R38s off of the D and placed them on the A train. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 15 15:15:19 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Thu Mar 15 15:11:25 2018. Also in the fall of 1980 they took a lot of the R 27/30s and R 38 off of the B West End and replace them with R40 slants. By 1981 until about 1988 the West End was almost all R40 Slants with the occasional R38 R32 and R 27/30 |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 15 16:55:25 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 13:12:11 2018. All the porthole windows could open as originally delivered, but the R-16 windows were mounted with the latch on the inside of the car on the lower half so that the lower portion of the window opened instead of the upper which was the case on the R-11s. 15s and 17s. For some reason, by the late 1950s, all the bulkhead door windows on the R-16s had been riveted shut. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 15 16:57:19 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 13:39:16 2018. The actual windows were the same size. You could actually see that the porthole on the R-16s appeared smaller in relation to the bulkhead door than the ones on the R-15s and 17s. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 15 16:59:56 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 13:33:45 2018. Correct and the Xing over of both services at BBC caused so much congestion that it was changed by the next pick. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 15 17:21:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by randyo on Thu Mar 15 16:59:56 2018. The NX made things even worse. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 15 19:20:59 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 09:49:31 2018. Interesting. I only rode on one R-10 D train myself, around 1978 or '79, up CPW (where else?) to 205th and back to 59th. Naturally, it ripped past local stop after local stop, even made good time on the Concourse express. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Mar 15 19:23:29 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Mar 15 13:35:03 2018. That R-10 D train I took had D signs only on the point cars. The other eight cars had CC signs showing on their bulkhead curtains. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 16 07:07:55 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 15 15:15:19 2018. I'm not sure about 1988-89, but the West End B was about 100% Slants from 1990-98.Then, they moved the Slants to the (Orange) Q, which was a part-time route. Some politician screamed that Slants and Redbirds had less-safe doors, so Slants spent the rest of their lives on part-time routes- Orange Q, Q-Diamond, and from 2004-2008, the W and Brighton B.. A few weeks in early 2009 to the A to get them to 207th for scrapping... |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Fri Mar 16 09:07:09 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 16 07:07:55 2018. Some slants ended up at ENY Yard running between the J,L and M lines. Didn’t see them on the Z. Popped up on the N occasionally as well. While the Brighton Line skip-stop service was going on, that was the most I had ever seen R40s on the D and Q lines when they mostly served the A and B trains.Vader |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 16 09:26:23 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 15 15:15:19 2018. When the slants were transferred from the A to the West End they were beat to hell due to their long hours of service on the A because the R44's were so unreliable.After GOH, they were amongst the best cars in the fleet. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 16 09:35:52 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. I never rode one on the Brighton line because I was working 6 days a week at the bank at the time. Never saw one on a Sunday, but that certainly doesn't mean they didn't run, especially in the summer when the D ran extra weekend service when people would be beach bound.When I got hired by transit, the only time I operated one on the D was a re-route. I was on a northbound green C from Euclid and they bought me into W.4th downstaits.I had time to change both front signs and enjoyed doing the express run to 145. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Mar 16 09:55:58 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 16 09:26:23 2018. Wasn't there talk of scrapping the R40s before the GOH? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Mar 16 11:34:43 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Mar 16 09:55:58 2018. I remember they wanted to scrap the R32s. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Mar 16 11:54:07 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 16 09:26:23 2018. So that might explain exactly why the TA took the R40s from the A. The R40s were6always the back bone of the A whether the other cars were R38s, R44s or R46s. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 16 15:03:14 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 16 07:07:55 2018. They were often headed to Astoria via the W IIRC in the early 2000's.The unique slant made those cars seem more eye catching, espicially on that wide 90 degree turn coming out of QBP. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Mar 16 16:15:10 2018, in response to [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Mar 15 09:36:37 2018. very nice photos |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 16 19:54:54 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Lord Vader on Fri Mar 16 09:07:09 2018. The ENY ones, I think about 40 or 50, replaced the R30GOH. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 16 22:50:33 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Mar 16 11:54:07 2018. They were a worthy successor to the immortal R-10s. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 16 22:54:02 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 15 15:05:49 2018. The Thunderbirds were tailor made for express runs. The best move ever made was to put them on the line they will forever be synonymous with, the A. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 16 22:54:54 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Mar 16 09:35:52 2018. I'll bet they were still as fast as ever.:) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 17 05:32:53 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Joe V on Fri Mar 16 19:54:54 2018. The ENY ones, I think about 40 or 50, replaced the R30GOH.The R-30's never received a General Overhaul. Cars that did were sent up to Morrison-Knudsen, Sumitomo or in house at Coney Island. The R-30's received a light overhaul and repaint. General Overhaul would receive new A/C, doors, windows and new ceiling. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Mar 17 15:39:11 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 17 05:32:53 2018. If I recall, some of the R-36s also received an in house overhaul that was closer to what the R-30s got. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 17 19:07:48 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by randyo on Sat Mar 17 15:39:11 2018. If I recall, some of the R-36s also received an in house overhaul that was closer to what the R-30s got.Mainline or WF R-36's ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 18 17:44:49 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 17 19:07:48 2018. WFs. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 18 22:21:21 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Lord Vader on Fri Mar 16 09:07:09 2018. Yeah, the L had slants in the 1990s as well. And in December of 1999, I rode a Slant J from Broad to Essex. The "J" was different that the "J" on R42s- semi-circle of the hook was tighter to the vertical portion, so the letter really looked more like a fishhook.Never saw a Slant J before or after ... |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 18 22:24:13 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] ** R-10's On The (D) Brighton **, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Mar 16 22:54:02 2018. Wouldn't a dash up CPW be just as good on the D?Or, does it have to be "pure", on the A? Is that an R10 lover sort of thing I just don't understand? :) (just kidding) |
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