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Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 14:56:10 2018, in response to 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Chicago44 on Wed Feb 28 14:48:19 2018. ???Not seeing it. If you have a URL I might be able to post it here. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 15:44:24 2018, in response to 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Chicago44 on Wed Feb 28 14:48:19 2018. Never mind, here it is.A Subway Ride to New Jersey? It Could Happen, Officials Say By PATRICK McGEEHANFEB. 27, 2018 The idea of connecting the No. 7 subway line to New Jersey may not be quite dead yet. The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is commissioning a long-term study of ways to expand the use of rapid transit across the Hudson River, and it expects to get some help from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which operates the subway. The two authorities are teaming with New York City and New Jersey Transit to consider a wide range of options for increasing commuting capacity two decades down the road. This week, the Port Authority received several bids from firms seeking the contract to produce the study, said Rick Cotton, the agency’s executive director. Mr. Cotton said in an interview on Tuesday that the notion of extending the No. 7 line — an idea that was briefly considered several years ago — was just one of many possibilities that would be analyzed. He said he had not discussed the feasibility of connecting the city’s subway system to New Jersey with any officials of the transportation authority, including its chairman, Joseph J. Lhota. Six years ago, Mr. Lhota said that a trans-Hudson subway extension was “not going to happen in anybody’s lifetime.” A spokesman for the transportation authority, Jon Weinstein, declined to discuss the study. In a brief statement, he said, “We look forward to working with federal, state and local public sector partners and private parties to explore long-term options for trans-Hudson transportation.” Though Mr. Cotton and Mr. Lhota are appointees of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, the study does not indicate that Mr. Cuomo supports any particular option, Mr. Cotton said. “The point is looking at all possible options,” he said. Mr. Cotton was quick to add that the Port Authority was not reacting to recent actions by the Trump administration that cast doubt on the viability of the proposed Gateway rail tunnel under the Hudson. Mr. Cotton said he sees Gateway, which could cost as much as $30 billion, as the most important transportation infrastructure project in the country. But even if Gateway is eventually built, doubling the number of passenger train tracks between New York City and points west, there still may be a need for additional transit capacity across the river by 2040, Mr. Cotton said. The Regional Plan Association, which studies the region’s transportation network and how to improve it, published its fourth regional plan last year. It made dozens of recommendations, including adding a second bus terminal in Midtown under the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center and having commuter trains run from New Jersey all the way to Long Island. It also suggested a couple of possible new transit lines from Manhattan to New Jersey, but not an extension of the subway system, said Thomas K. Wright, the association’s president. “Gateway does not by itself solve the trans-Hudson capacity issue, and I don’t think a new bus terminal does either.” Mr. Wright said. “Looking at other options is a good idea.” The only rapid transit system crossing the Hudson now is the PATH train system that the Port Authority operates. But the PATH, which connects parts of Manhattan with Newark and other cities in northern New Jersey, has become overcrowded at rush hour, as has the bus terminal the authority operates in Midtown Manhattan. The Port Authority expects to be able to add capacity to the PATH after it finishes installing an automatic-braking system on the trains and tracks. That technology, known as positive train control, would allow for more trains per hour because they could safely run closer together with less risk of collisions. The Port Authority is planning to rebuild or replace the main bus terminal, which is more than 65 years old. But even with that additional bus capacity and the added train capacity that Gateway would provide, there may still be a shortage of seats for commuters, Mr. Cotton said. “The point is that the current forecast of demand would exceed capacity even if you assumed that there was a replacement bus terminal and, potentially, expanded capacity for PATH,” he said. Demand for ways to get to work in the city from New Jersey has risen steadily for several years and is forecast to keep climbing. In 2017, all of the Port Authority’s operations — including the PATH, the bus terminal, the airports and the shipping port — had record volumes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:07:13 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 15:44:24 2018. There's also a Daily News article:Daily_News |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:08:34 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:07:13 2018. And nj.com:Jersey |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 28 16:12:00 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 15:44:24 2018. Open in 2040?? I'll be 89 by then. Sure hope the ADA regs stay in effect, not to mention my heartbeat. Wonder what the senior fare will be??:) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:13:19 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 28 16:12:00 2018. I have given up putting dates on anything. Nothing can get done anymore. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 28 16:22:41 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:13:19 2018. You got that right. 2040 in MTA speak will be 2070-80 or so. I'll be in my 120s! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 28 16:27:32 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:13:19 2018. no, some things can get done. The deciding factor is as always "qui bono" as in who (NOT counting the general public) will reap the benefits. If there were enough money, the old IND plan to have the 8th Ave local tracks head across the GW Bridge would be funded.As to the 7, the extension to Hudson Yards "jumped the queue" by many years because movers and shakers wanted it. here's an acronym G(raft)O(pportunity)C(oefficient) |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:35:48 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 28 16:27:32 2018. GWB: There was enough money. Robert Moses among others didn't want it.There was enough money to do the IND East Bronx extension. The money was pissed away instead on Brooklyn's Shore Pkwy serving a fraction of the population the Bronx had. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 28 17:12:09 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:35:48 2018. "The money was pissed away instead on Brooklyn's Shore Pkwy serving a fraction of the population the Bronx had."They would have pissed away the $$$ if they went ahead with the East Bx IND extention knowing that they could have had the NYW&B Dyre Ave line for a song and let that get away. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:23:06 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 15:44:24 2018. I think Lhota is correct. None of us here are likely to see this project open for revenue service, which probably won't happen until a half-century or so from now, if ever. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 17:31:26 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Feb 28 17:12:09 2018. That NYW&B opportunity came up later. Without that damned pkwy, they could have done both. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 17:32:30 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:23:06 2018. Same can be said for a lot of things we want, like Utica Av, SAS to Wall Street area, etc. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Feb 28 17:37:25 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:23:06 2018. Yes. Slim to no chance |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:38:23 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 17:32:30 2018. Brian Cudahy, writing in Under The Sidewalks of New York, tells the story, perhaps apocryphal, of the young newlywed couple who buys a Flatlands house after WWII, with the real estate agent promising them that the new subway extension along Utica Avenue would soon be built. He notes that the couple grows up, and retires to Florida, selling that house, the planned subway never even having broken ground. |
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Posted by numbersix on Wed Feb 28 18:17:47 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:23:06 2018. If they can move the date up to before April 5, 2063 they'll get to Jersey before the Vulcans. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 18:23:06 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by numbersix on Wed Feb 28 18:17:47 2018. Yup! Maybe Zefram Cochrane can ride the first train.He did say, "I don't even like to fly! I take trains!" 😂😂😀 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 28 20:05:32 2018, in response to 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Chicago44 on Wed Feb 28 14:48:19 2018. Don't know how to do a Google search? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 20:07:23 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 28 20:05:32 2018. I think he may have used his 10 articles per month. It is the 28th, after all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 1 01:35:08 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 17:32:30 2018. Astoria El to LGA . . . but it has to be torn down first. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 1 06:06:55 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:38:23 2018. and my parents were told when they bought shares for their co-op in Bell Park Manor Terrace, corner of Hillside and Springfield in '48 or '49 that the IND was going to soon be extended out to Litte Neck Parkway.... yep.... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Mar 1 06:22:49 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 15:44:24 2018. study, schmudy.....earliest plans for the IND as we know it, released by the BOT in 1922 (am I correct?) and published in the NYT, and the entire first phase finished and operating in 14 years. (except for 6th ave & extensions beyond Rockaway ave. & 169th)Just draw up plans, put out bids and build it fer cryin'out loud.... yes, I know this is rose colored glasses pipe dream ..... |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 08:15:42 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 15:44:24 2018. this inflated reliance on automated train control systems is, imo, not too smart. it's implantation will not reduce, overall reduce the percentage of train wrecks...just result in new forms of railroading mishaps.sorry but computing is simply not up to the task. same reason why human-less cars are going to fail in a huge way. maybe when quantum computing is developed there might be a chance to offload most of the hazards associated with transportation onto devices. sure as hell not now though. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 08:38:34 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 17:32:30 2018. luckily for me, one of the only "future developments" i ever really really wanted to see was a huge increase in passenger ferry service in the region.i'm like, mighty pleased. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 1 09:39:27 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:23:06 2018. It's not likely to ever happen. Don't the 7 tracks turn south after the Hudson Yards station and end at something like 25th Street? That takes it away from the route to NJ that had been discussed, which was to send it to Secaucus, doesn't it? Add to that jurisdictional issues between the MTA and the Port Authority, and the not-so-simple issue of fare collection. Would this extension be covered by the regular subway fare? If not, how to collect the difference? The way the subway to the Rockaways used to work it comes to mind; a double fare (or more) to enter the NJ terminal, and an exit fare there equal to the difference between the entry fare and the regular subway fare. Since there will (presumably) be only one station in NJ, at least the problems that occurred with people riding the subway within the Rockaways won't come up. But people will be able to "railfan" the line for the regular subway fare, as long as they don't exit the station in NJ.So OK, maybe fare collection won't be a problem. But I just can't see this ever actually happening. Certainly not by 2040 (which I hope I'll be alive to see). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 09:52:56 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Wed Feb 28 16:08:34 2018. Important since NYDN and NYT are now both behind paywalls. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 09:54:41 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey?, posted by AlM on Wed Feb 28 20:07:23 2018. NYT has cut that to five. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 10:09:02 2018, in response to 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Chicago44 on Wed Feb 28 14:48:19 2018. If any line should be extended to New Jersey, it's the (L) for a ton of reasons:1, The line is going straight west at 8th Avenue/14th Street. It can go straight down from there. 2. The cars are much wider and longer than IRT-sized cars. 3. It likely inspires the MTA to have entire Eastern Division have all platforms extended to 600 feet with obviously the (L) platforms extended first (and in most cases, the extension would be only 64 feet since the Eastern Division platforms were built to handle eight-car trains of BMT Standards that were 67 feet in length, or 536 feet total). 4. You have transfers along 14th Street to almost every other line in the city and the (G) at Lorimer. 5. It more easily opens up NYU to a lot of students who live in New Jersey since their main campus is not too far from the (L) as it is. That's why any extension to NJ should be with the (L) and not the (7). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 1 11:14:54 2018, in response to L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 10:09:02 2018. Sounds Good To Me...Wee Knead More Tunnels between here and there! LION does have a cheaper plan, albeit using LRV type equipments. Line runs from the Meadowlands (park and ride facility) across the Hudson river an a narrow bridge, on elevated structures above either 34th street, or 42nd street or both, then thence on to the Island of Long via another narrow bridge finding its terminal at some huge park and ride facility. The fare is included in your parking fees at the park and ride facilities. Crosstown passengers use metrocards. (Or what ever fare medium they are using when the cows come home. ROAR |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 1 12:20:46 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 08:38:34 2018. Hey, this isn't BoatChat! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 1 12:21:43 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 1 09:39:27 2018. There's no problem with turning the 7 west at 25 St. to get to Secaucus. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 1 13:23:12 2018, in response to L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 10:09:02 2018. I agree. This its one of your better schemes! |
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6 line extension to New Jersey |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 1 13:39:21 2018, in response to L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 10:09:02 2018. Remember that one? Prior to the rebuild of the WTC station, it was bandied about, and also it was claimed that when the WTC was first proposed, the idea came about. Pelham Bay Park to Newark Penn. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 1 13:59:58 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Mar 1 09:39:27 2018. About halfway down the stub tracks, they'll diverge west to cross the Hudson. That is not an issue. It's all accounted for in the Parsopn-Brinkerhoff engineering plan.This would be much simpler to build that Gateway, which has to be integrated into the western interlocking and stub tracks of NYPS, not an easy task. I am not concerned about jurisdiction or fare policy. They work it out with MN service beyond Port Chester and NJT service beyond Suffern. There's actually an MTA police precinct within the Bridgeport, CT station. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 1 14:00:19 2018, in response to 6 line extension to New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 1 13:39:21 2018. I remember this one! been proposed more than once! |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 1 14:05:17 2018, in response to L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 10:09:02 2018. Wrong.14th street market is an inferior one to serve over 42nd Street, regardless of NYU. The #7 will get a hell of a lot more people to within walking distance of their office than the L. #7 also intersects with every north-south trunk route. It won't inspire the MTA to do anything with L train lengths in as much as a #7 extension won't inspire them to re-engineer it for 12 or 14 car trains. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 1 14:06:47 2018, in response to Re: L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 1 11:14:54 2018. We need 11 car trains, not 2 car LRV's, for such trans-Hudson duties. This isn't Kansas. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 1 14:09:55 2018, in response to Re: 6 line extension to New Jersey, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 1 14:00:19 2018. I don't see that anybody proposed extending either the 53rd or 63rd Street Tunnel westwards into northern Hudson County NJ.Of course, any such extensions would be too late for the former West Shore RR terminal of the NY Central, but also not too late to meet the HBLR in the same location in Weehawken. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Mar 1 14:37:25 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 08:15:42 2018. A subway is a horizontal elevator, the NYC subway is a horizontal elevator and urinal. Both can be automated, but we'd have to flush our political/union/criminal class first. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 1 15:16:11 2018, in response to 6 line extension to New Jersey, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 1 13:39:21 2018. That would be one long local run. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 16:13:42 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 1 12:20:46 2018. love it! |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 1 16:32:45 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 28 17:38:23 2018. With the plans for the extensions of both the Nostrand Av and Utica Av Lines known, many real estate brokers used it as a selling point for homes that were going up in the area. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Mar 1 16:39:52 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by randyo on Thu Mar 1 16:32:45 2018. Same thing as Burke Ave, east of White Plains Road, when word got out the IND Concourse Line was going to be extended across Botanical Gardens from 205th St. After the NW&B went belly up, the City used that money to buy today's #5 Dyre Line. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 1 17:06:34 2018, in response to Re: 6 line extension to New Jersey, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 1 15:16:11 2018. indeed, and as such more vulnerable to delays. That said, finding a way to make better transfers from PATH to the East Side would be an advantage for riders. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Mar 1 17:27:10 2018, in response to L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 10:09:02 2018. Look at the handwriting on the wall. PATH cars and IRT cars are virtually identical in dimensions so the combining such an extension of the 7 with the PATH could become a distinct possibility. The only question would be who would actually manage such a unification? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 17:32:18 2018, in response to Re: 7 line extension to New Jersey., posted by Steamdriven on Thu Mar 1 14:37:25 2018. ahh but plain old human cussedness will defeat automation every time. people holding doors. causing a ruckus in a car. signal failure. dufus on the track. etc. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Mar 1 17:33:13 2018, in response to Re: L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Joe V on Thu Mar 1 14:05:17 2018. "...in as much as a #7 extension won't inspire them to re-engineer it for 12 or 14 car trains."All thats standing in the way for bigger/wider B div sized cars on the #7 is the Steinway Tunnel. That tunnel is well over 100 yrs old. A rebuild should be in the foreseeable future anyway. Another "Sandy" might make the need for a re-build sooner. Just re-build it to B div specs, do some necessary clearance adjustments between Hunterspoint & TS. & presto, you have a B div Flushing Line. AFAIK, as a dual contract line, it was built to B div specs as was the extention to the Hudson Yds. All the MTA has to do now if figure out how to print Money! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 17:36:51 2018, in response to L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Mar 1 10:09:02 2018. i'm for any plan that includes lengthening elevated station platforms. more shadow on the street. I revel in el-train street shadows. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Mar 1 17:43:01 2018, in response to Re: L line extension to New Jersey., posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 1 11:14:54 2018. like it. still like a tunnel from south ferry (Brooklyn) to, gasp, newark, better. but i'd take your ideabas long as a brooklyn annex ferry to hoboken is thrown in the pot. |
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