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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Feb 23 12:41:52 2018, in response to El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 23 10:30:21 2018. OMG! My old neighborhood. The spire of my old parish church looms high in the background. Just immediately to the left of the front of the train is where my old apartment building was (still is) and I'd watch trains pass Courtlandt Ave from my fire escape.Thanx for the great shot. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 12:49:34 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Feb 23 12:41:52 2018. OMG! My old neighborhood. As bad as that section of The Bronx got there are many of us who still refer to it affectionately as "the old neighborhood". I used to live om Melrose Avenue at East 155th Street. Our church was the Immaculate Conception. It is still there but the spire is gone. It was lost in a fire. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Feb 23 12:53:38 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 12:49:34 2018. My parish too; I moved in 1968 but still journeyed to "The Hub" many years after that. Graduated from the "Immac" in 1962.Great place to grow up then. joe |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 23 13:10:32 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 12:49:34 2018. Larry, my grandparents, both from Ireland, lived on Eagle Ave, north of 152nd St. They relocated to Hull Ave in 1957, when the nearby St Mary's projects were being built. Originally, they lived in Manhattan on 22nd St, west of 8th Ave, but hated the construction noise from the IND 8th Ave subway. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Feb 23 13:25:56 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Feb 23 12:53:38 2018. I taught at that school in the early 1970s. It had originally been a German immigrant parish, and in the classrooms there were still enamel signs screwed onto the window sills, in German, warning kids not to lean out of the windows! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 23 13:35:07 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Feb 23 13:25:56 2018. That had to be my father's family parish, too! He used to tell me that his parochial school was taught by German nuns. Small world!!! |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 13:42:33 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 23 13:10:32 2018. Elkeeper: It funny that you should mention Eagle Avenue. My mother lived there in the 30's and 40's. We new some friends who lived o Willis Avenue south of 149th Street. They moved to Hull Avenue (204th ST) about the same time. About 1970 or so they moved to Pennsylvania. It seemed that was the pattern. The first move was to the northern Bronx and then out of the city entirely. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 14:00:31 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 23 13:35:07 2018. Elkeeper: There was a strong German community in that area of the Bronx. The Imac event had a German language mass at least up until WW2. Most of those folks moved out in the late fifties and early sixties but a few that I know stayed there for many years. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 23 15:07:43 2018, in response to El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 23 10:30:21 2018. That’s a Second Av express coming off the Bergen Av cutoff. Like some of the other posters in this thread, I remember the neighborhood, not because I lived there myself but because my grandmother lived on 139 St between Willis and Brook Aves. When I was very young we would take the AA to 135 St and the 138 St Xtown trolley to Willis Ave. By the time I was 3 the trolleys were replaced by buses which unlike the trolleys came all the way to St Nicholas Ave instead of terminating at 8 Av. We would often walk up along Willis Av to the Hub and go shopping at Alexanders and Hearns which was at the corner of 149 St and Westchester Av. Although the neighborhood had a substantial German population, the area closest to 138 St was pretty much Irishtown with cabarets like the Star of Munster and the Leitrim House which were either long gone or moved uptown to the Fordham area by the time I got into the Irish music business. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Feb 23 17:30:42 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Feb 23 13:25:56 2018. Wow, small world. We had some lay teachers as well as religious. In teh 50s there was still some German influence. After years of German rectors, they finally got an Irish one.To keep on subject, when answering the phones in the rectory, callers were told to reach the church via the IRT Lex or 7th Av lines, to 149th & 3rd, "last stop in the tunnel". |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Feb 23 17:34:26 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 13:42:33 2018. I guess you told my fortune for me. I went from the Hub to Norwood (still here), via a few other Bx neighborhoods and a "stint" in Ridgewood in 1974. At 69 will Pennsylvania be next for me? |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Feb 23 20:33:22 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 14:00:31 2018. "The Imac event had a German language mass at least up until WW2"Well in those days, of course, the Mass would still have been in Latin, but they'd certainly have given the sermons in German. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 21:28:23 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Fri Feb 23 20:33:22 2018. That is correct. I miss the old Latin mass. Nobody had any idea what the priest was saying so could snooze for another 30 minutes. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Feb 23 21:39:54 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 21:28:23 2018. I still remember the Latin mass. It wouldn't be long before I'd start yawning. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 23 21:41:02 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 21:28:23 2018. "Ad Deum qui laetificat juventutem meam."Some opening words from the old Latin Mass. As an altar boy & learned that by rote...and had no idea what I was saying!! |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Feb 24 01:00:09 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 23 21:41:02 2018. "Qui fecit caelum et terram". Still rememberin' after all these years.Reciting those prayers as the 3rd Ave el rumbled out of 149th street station. (keeping on subject). :O |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 09:16:18 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Feb 23 21:41:02 2018. My favorite was, "Ite missa est." |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 13:11:47 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Feb 23 17:30:42 2018. R-17 : I will venture one more story of the IMAC before the OT police catch up with me. As you know it was standard procedure for students to assemble at marked pews in the church for the 8 AM mass. After the mass was over you would go to your classrooms. Since you went to mass a least six days a week you became very familiar with the operation even at a young age. A normal weekday mass should take from 25 to 30 minutes. I recall one day it may have been in 1957 that the priest concluded the mass in abut 15 minutes. I don't know if he was in a hurry to catch the next train to Gun Hill Road but he flew through that missal. All the students filed out of the church and went to class early. No sooner had the church emptied that a section of the roof collapsed. The kids would certainly have been injured if they were still there. Someone in the home office was looking out for us little guys. Now to get back on topic. There was an entrance to the subway on the north side of 149th Street just west of Melrose Avenue. What made in interesting was that there were two not one kiosks at this location. The westernmost kiosk was closed and removed about 1956/7?. If you went down to the platform level the stairs themselves were visible or many years. Fast forward to March 2017 and the subway calendar for that month. There is a picture of a kiosk at 145th Street and Lenox Avenue. Bill explains that there were two different kinds of kiosk. The ones with a domed roof were entrance only. The ones with a peaked roof were for exiting passengers. You learn something new everyday. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 13:22:45 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 09:16:18 2018. And my favorite response was, "Deo gracias". |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Feb 24 13:24:30 2018, in response to El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 23 10:30:21 2018. love this photo |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 13:28:57 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 21:28:23 2018. We couldn't snooze, Larry. We were issued St Joseph Missals that had the Latin on the left side and the English on the right. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 13:42:55 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Feb 23 13:42:33 2018. My great aunt and uncle, Peg and Moss O'Connor, lived on Eagle Ave in the same building as my grandparents. All of them went in on a house on Hull Ave, in 1957. They later moved to Willow Grove, PA, around 1970. Did you know any O'Connors there (Peg, Moss, Eileen, Marion, Joe)?To stay on track here- my Uncle Moss took me on a 3rd Ave el run in the Spring of 1955. "Q" expresses to Chatham Square and MUDC's back to 204th St/Webster. Best ride I ever had!!! |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 14:04:27 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 13:42:55 2018. Elkeeper: I most certainly did know those people very well. I called them Aunt Peg and Uncle Moss. Aunt Peg had a sister, Mrs O'Leary. She had a daughter named Ann who married a WW2 soldier named Arnold Grant. They moved to Bethpage and had four kids. Arnold and my mother were first cousins. Why don't you e-mail me and we can continue this discussion. irtredbridr33@gmail.com Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 15:47:03 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by randyo on Fri Feb 23 15:07:43 2018. Dare I ask? Randy, how do you know it was a 2nd Ave Express, instead of a 3rd Ave one, which replaced it between 1940-1946? |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Feb 24 16:16:09 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Feb 24 09:16:18 2018. Gee, I wonder why? (LOL) |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Feb 24 16:16:21 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 13:22:45 2018. LOL! |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Sat Feb 24 16:25:00 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 13:11:47 2018. I indeed recall two kiosks at the 149 location. What I really "dream" about, and would love seeing, are the overpasses that led from teh street to the el at 3rd ave. One could transfer tween subway & el via internal connections too. I remember standing in an area that resembled a "cattle chute" with large wooden horizontal planks. One could look over those "planks" and see the tracks, wheels and underbody of el trains just a few feet above.These were our playgrounds. To hell with street games; I loved standing here, inside and outside the fare paid area. In summer we stood high above traffic in 149th, watching all the action below. Those internal transfers at 149th / 3rd 'tween N/B and S/B have been decimated. Brilliant move, MTA. No matter people want to reverse directions. r17 |
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Posted by Dave on Sat Feb 24 17:04:51 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Feb 24 13:24:30 2018. I know, right? |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Sat Feb 24 18:45:47 2018, in response to El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 23 10:30:21 2018. Great pic. Real shame they didn't keep the 3rd Av El going. It would get good passenger numbers today. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sat Feb 24 22:39:55 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Feb 24 13:11:47 2018. Regarding the Third Ave El in its last year of operation, I had a friend who taught in the Tremont area. The school was a block away from Third Ave, parallel to the El, and his classroom looked directly out to the tracks. His seventh graders, being on the verge of puberty, were difficult enough to manage. But on top of that, every 40 minutes or so, an El train that was tagged in giant letters "SEX 143" rumbled slowly past, and the entire class would burst into uncontrollable laughter at the sight of it. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 15:06:51 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 15:47:03 2018. It looks to me like it’s only a 5 car train although the tree at the rear of the train might be obscuring the last 2 cars. 2 Av Composite trains could not be any longer than 5 car whereas 3 Av Composite trains could be 7 cars so if there are any cars hidden behind that tree at the rear of the train then it could be a 3 Av exp. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 15:08:11 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 15:06:51 2018. I took another look and it looks like it’s only 5 cars long making it a 2 Av exp. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 15:08:19 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 24 15:47:03 2018. It looks to me like it’s only a 5 car train although the tree at the rear of the train might be obscuring the last 2 cars. 2 Av Composite trains could not be any longer than 5 car whereas 3 Av Composite trains could be 7 cars so if there are any cars hidden behind that tree at the rear of the train then it could be a 3 Av exp. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 25 15:16:44 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 15:08:19 2018. Randy, I had always thought that 2nd Ave-Freeman trains were five cars because it was not heavily patronized. They only ran 5 five-car Composite trains during rush hour. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 16:42:14 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 25 15:16:44 2018. According to and old timer I worked with who started on the 2 Av el in 1938, the length of the trains was due to the platforms. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 25 20:43:26 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 16:42:14 2018. The 2nd Ave el could handle at least 6 cars. You know that and I know that! |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Feb 25 22:20:01 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 25 20:43:26 2018. I wouldn’t know that since I’m n ot that old. I only know based on what the old timer who worked there told me. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 26 10:04:43 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Feb 25 20:43:26 2018. Elkeeper: Regarding train lengths on the 2nd Avenue El / circa 1938. 2nd Avenue-Bronx Park trains ran with 5 Gates or MUDC during the rush which was the only time that this train ran. 2nd Avenue-Freeman Street ran with 5 Comp M-F rush and Sat AM rush. Sat noon rush had three Comp. 2nd Avenue-Corona trains ran with 7 Gate during the rush and five on Saturdays. This is a complete list. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 26 12:48:28 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 26 10:04:43 2018. Larry, weren't the 2nd Ave el platforms north of 60th St the same length as south of it? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 26 13:12:41 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 26 12:48:28 2018. Elkeeper: My answer was based on the length of the trains and not the platforms length which is no necessarily the same thing. It would seem that the 2nd Avenue El functioned basically as an overflow branch of the 3rd Avenue Branch. As you said in another psot it did not run during midnight hours. Except for rush hours it terminated at 129th Street. South of 60th Street it saw much heavier usage due to the Astoria and Corona trains. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Feb 26 13:17:45 2018, in response to Re: El in da Bronx, 1940, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 26 13:12:41 2018. I had always thought that the 2nd Ave platforms were the same length, north or south of 60th St, cousin! |
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