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Tuscarora Almanac for February 12 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 12 10:35:19 2018 Tuscarora Almanac - February 12, 1907 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Interborough Rapid Transit Company A northbound platform is finally opened at 130th Street Station on the 9th Avenue El. There had been a southbound platform at this location since 1893. Tuscarora Almanac – February 12, 1936 – The Book of First and Last Runs Manhattan, New York New York Railways Buses replace streetcars on the Broadway-7th Avenue Line and the Columbus & Lenox Avenues Line. The Broadway-7th Avenue line began running on May 26, 1864 as a horse drawn streetcar. The Columbus Avenue route dates back to 1892. Trolley service had been run by New York Railways. Bus service will be provided by New York City Omnibus as Routes 6 and 7 respectively. Source: New York Division Bulletin /November 1987 & June 1989, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - February 12, 1973 - The Book of Wrecks Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority - IND Division There was a major collision on the southbound express track (B-3) of the IND South Brooklyn Line just north of Church Avenue Station between two empty trains. A ten car train composed of R-1/9's struck a train of R-40's. The consist of the R-1/9 train was (s) 1236, 1105, 1128, 1183, 1324, 1077, 1188, 1254, 1416 and 1155.The consist of the R-40 train was (s) 4306-07, 4181-80, 4317-16, 4264-65 and 4421-20. R-40 4420 was badly damaged and reportedly was cut up on the spot. R-6 1236 was badly damaged and will be scrapped as 754. Source: New York Division Bulletin /April 1973 Tuscarora Almanac - February 12-13, 1977 - The Book of Last Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority - IRT Division This is the last day of passenger service on the Lexington Avenue Line between Bowling Green and South Ferry. The last northbound #5 Lexington Avenue Express left South Ferry (Outer Loop) in the evening of February 12 about 11 PM. The consist was (n) R-33 8972-3, R-22 7736, R-28 7938-7921. The "SS" Bowling Green Shuttle then began its usual overnight run but this night the run would be cut short. The final shuttle left from Bowling Green to South Ferry (Inner Loop) at 12:04 AM. It departed from South Ferry at 12:10 AM arrived back at Bowling Green one minute later. The train consisted of two R-12's (n) 5705 and 5704. Source: New York Division Bulletin / April 1977. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Feb 12 17:00:39 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 12 10:35:19 2018. The BG Shuttle Is One of those things you ask, "Why?" |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 17:03:38 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Mon Feb 12 17:00:39 2018. Right. All the walking to transfer would get you halfway to SF, and faster factoring in the wait time for the train. |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Feb 12 17:41:31 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 12 10:35:19 2018. Can anyone say with certainty - given previous almanacs (whether Tuscarora here or BusChat, or my own Almanacs, past and future, on BusChat) about the various modifications to (M)7's route, and some posts relating thereto - at what point its transition point from Sixth Avenue (post-MaBSTOA) was shifted from 53rd Street (to which it had been moved in 1957) to 59th Street/Central Park North on its way to Columbus Circle and then Broadway? |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 12 18:27:07 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by W.B. on Mon Feb 12 17:41:31 2018. W.B. Bernard Linder gives the date as March 1, 1964. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 12 19:45:06 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 17:03:38 2018. snow, heavy rain, bitter cold. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 20:16:15 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 12 19:45:06 2018. Well, we are all managing that now. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Mon Feb 12 20:19:13 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 12 10:35:19 2018. Would this qualify for the book of wrecks. Back in February '78 I was on a move off of 77 track in C I Yard. 1181 was the North motor. I left following all procedures. R46 equipment. Lost brakes entering the spur at A Tower. At 41/2 MPH. They claimed I was speeding. Investigation turned out it was computer failure and I was exonerated.Bklynsubwaybob |
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Posted by W.B. on Mon Feb 12 20:58:38 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 12 18:27:07 2018. Interesting. Two years to the day after the FACL strike that ended their run, and several months after the last (to that point) run of conversions. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Tue Feb 13 16:53:44 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Mon Feb 12 20:19:13 2018. Hi Larry,Did you read my message from tuscarora almanac Feb 12? Let me know what you think. Thanks Bklynsubwaybob |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Feb 13 19:20:55 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Tue Feb 13 16:53:44 2018. I did Bob. You were quite fortunate that you didn't get killed. Losing the brakes is a frightening experience. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Tue Feb 13 19:51:51 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Feb 13 19:20:55 2018. Hi Larry,Will give you more details to make the incident more complete.bklynsubwaybob |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 14 05:11:27 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 12 17:03:38 2018. You have to remember prior to the opening of the uptown platform at BG, you had a different main entrance and it was a mezzanine from what I have seen between the two platforms at street level inside the fare zone. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 14 05:26:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 12 19:45:06 2018. That's one reason I would look at doing the necessary work to revive the shuttle ONLY during times when there are no trains on the (4) and (5) going to Brooklyn AND you can't extend the (6) to oid SF (with the (5) going to old SF when not going to Brooklyn and the (6) extended there outside of weekdays). |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 14 07:42:02 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 14 05:26:45 2018. One problem though...Both the outer and inner loop platforms at South Ferry have been sealed off to the public, and covered up (as seen from the mezzanine at the new station) with doors only accessible by authorized personnel only. So, no BGSF shuttle or extended #4/#5/#6 service into SF in the future. And so it goes... -William A. Padron ["SF"] |
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Posted by Bzuck on Wed Feb 14 07:44:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Tue Feb 13 19:51:51 2018. I remember you posting about that crash years ago on SubTalk. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 14 15:49:07 2018, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon Feb 12 10:35:19 2018. I still think they should revive Lexington Avenue service to South Ferry. Just use the Outer Loop. Send the 5 there when it's not going to Brooklyn (2 during the current weekend GOs), reincarnate the shuttle all other times. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 14 15:49:45 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Feb 12 19:45:06 2018. 100 degree summer heat.... |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Feb 14 16:26:11 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Feb 14 15:49:07 2018. The problem with doing that is the reason that the new station was built for the west side had to do with handicapped accessibility and if the old platform were reopened, it would still have the same issues. Even if that issue were to be corrected, it would then beg the question as to why money was wasted on a new station when the old one could probably have been extended northbound without much difficulty and at less expense. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 14 18:41:00 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 14 07:42:02 2018. Of course, the loops, especially the outer loop, will still be there for emergency reroutes. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Feb 15 11:40:41 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by William A. Padron on Wed Feb 14 07:42:02 2018. That's for now:Those could easily be unsealed if the BG-SF shuttle is revived on the outer loop (which is obviously what would be used since transfer points to the (R) were developed there when that was pressed back into service after Sandy. Such would the one and only transfer point between the (1) and the Lexington lines if it were ever done. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 15 13:41:39 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Feb 15 11:40:41 2018. I don't see any half way decent ridership for transit to justify the service. Even with OPTO, how to you crew up a line like that?The t/o can't go back and forth for 8 hours w/o a break. He needs a little break after 2 hours for a comfort, time for lunch around the 4th hour and another comfort break 2 hours after lunch. Who relieves him? Deadheading a man from the TSQ/GCT shuttle 3 times a shift is not productive. Supposed there is a service delay on the Lex making it impossible for him to travel to and fro? A TSS to make the relief is not practical because he may be tied up on something else. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Feb 15 17:05:15 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 15 13:41:39 2018. A work program allowing for periodic comfort reliefs and lunch reliefs could easily be generated. I used to do it all the time for various GOs. What could be done is to make the shuttle OPTO with a single T/O changing ends during non peak periods to allow the other T/O to take lunch and comfort breaks. As A M/M I worked the Culver shuttle for a week and even though it wasn’t OPTO, there were 2 M/M to minimize stand time during the rush hour after which each M/M took lunch. The problem now is that the shuttle platform at B/Grn can only hold 2 cars, so dedicated sets of whatever rolling stock the MTA would want to assign there would have to be assembled. |
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Posted by Asgard on Thu Feb 15 19:33:36 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by randyo on Thu Feb 15 17:05:15 2018. Could they use a three-car set like two of the 42nd St. shuttle trains, to reduce the variety of special sets? Two cars could platform, with the south car locked? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 08:15:10 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by randyo on Thu Feb 15 17:05:15 2018. There definitely would be work-arounds in place.Also, wouldn't they only have to change ends at Bowling Green? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 08:21:54 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 15 13:41:39 2018. The real purpose of reviving the shuttle (which would be 5:30 AM-8:00 PM weekdays only) is for nights and weekends, when the (6) would be extended to old SF, joined by the (5) when the (5) is NOT running to Brooklyn. Biggest benefit of this is doubling late-night service between BB and BG and increasing service between those stations evenings and weekends to an area that has seen a many times-fold jump in residential living since the shuttle was discontinued in early 1977 (Battery Park City for example did not exist at the time the shuttle was discontinued). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 09:15:46 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 14 16:26:11 2018. As I remember, the old station was modified some for ADA when it was reopened while the new one was rebuilt post-Sandy. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 09:16:31 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Bzuck on Wed Feb 14 07:44:45 2018. That is scary to say the least. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 16 11:36:58 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 08:15:10 2018. Yes, but then the third car would have to be locked, and the new lead car would have to be unlocked. |
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Posted by Asgard on Fri Feb 16 13:33:13 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 08:15:10 2018. No, because the shuttle didn't go *around* the loop; it changed ends at South Ferry. There's no access to the shuttle platform from the uptown track. |
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Posted by Asgard on Fri Feb 16 13:33:40 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 08:15:10 2018. No, because the shuttle didn't go *around* the loop; it changed ends at South Ferry. There's no access to the shuttle platform from the uptown track. |
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Posted by Asgard on Fri Feb 16 13:34:05 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 08:15:10 2018. No, because the shuttle didn't go *around* the loop; it changed ends at South Ferry. There's no access to the shuttle platform from the uptown track. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 16 15:43:05 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by randyo on Wed Feb 14 16:26:11 2018. Has anyone heard about any problems, especially leaks, with the new South Ferry station, since it was reopened? |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Feb 16 16:27:41 2018, in response to Old South Ferry Station, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 09:15:46 2018. No it wasn't. TA ran a shuttle bus (lightly used) to the next ADA accessible No. 1 stop (Chambers Street) when they reopened the old South Ferry Terminal to address ADA concerns. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Feb 16 16:46:59 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Feb 16 15:43:05 2018. As far as I know, and what I have seen there, based upon my recent visits to the new SF...well, no problems so far to report...yet!-William A. Padron ["VA"] |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Feb 16 18:53:05 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Avid Reader on Fri Feb 16 11:36:58 2018. Trains arriving from So/Fy loop on the N/B tk can’t access the shuttle tk so even if the outside loop were used it would still have to be a single track operation. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Feb 16 20:02:48 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Feb 14 05:11:27 2018. Wallyhorse: "You have to remember prior to the opening of the uptown platform at BG, you had a different main entrance and it was a mezzanine from what I have seen between the two platforms at street level inside the fare zone."According to my research and discussions on this forum, prior to the mid-1970's renovation (meaning the installation of the uptown platform, lower level mezzanine, etc.) the main entrance and only entrance of the Bowling Green station IS THE CURRENT HEAD HOUSE that was opened in 1905 that next to Battery Park. While there was a lower level passageway from the main center platform between the uptown and Brooklyn bound tracks, the lower level passageway only connected to the shuttle platform - NOT TO A SEPARATE ENTRANCE OR EXIT. The mid-1970's renovation of the Bowling Green station did indeed create a much better subway station. Mike |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Feb 16 21:22:26 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by William A. Padron on Fri Feb 16 16:46:59 2018. Same here. I used it just yesterday- and all seemed fine... |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 23:57:15 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Michael549 on Fri Feb 16 20:02:48 2018. I thought that Head House was closed when the uptown platform opened in 1978, while the main entrance became the entrance closer to 2 Broadway. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 17 09:18:01 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by Q4 on Fri Feb 16 16:27:41 2018. I thought the transfer tunnel to the R was accessible, and therefore the elevators were reachable. Or was the issue the gapfillers, even though they're more flush with the train than any normal platform? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 17 09:43:44 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 17 09:18:01 2018. I remember the transfer tunnel to the R having stairs. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Feb 17 10:24:22 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 17 09:43:44 2018. That makes sense. The R is considerably deeper than the loop. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 17 10:28:42 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 17 10:24:22 2018. I meant between the 1905 platform and the accessible 2009 mezzanine. The R platforms were never accessible. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Feb 17 14:48:05 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Feb 16 21:22:26 2018. No water leaks in the new SF, unlike the pre-hurricane one? |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Feb 17 16:26:08 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Feb 16 23:57:15 2018. That head house still had to remain open for a more direct access to the S/B platform. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 17 19:54:48 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 17 10:28:42 2018. Now that you mention it I think there was something dumb like one or two steps. It was *almost* level but not quite. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 17 21:59:56 2018, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for February 12, posted by randyo on Sat Feb 17 16:26:08 2018. Makes sense. For some reason, I always thought the main entrance was the one closer to 2 Broadway as noted. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Feb 17 22:02:03 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 17 19:54:48 2018. Which is something that could easily be adjusted if the old platform ever got re-activated for Lexington Avenue service. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sun Feb 18 05:58:37 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 17 19:54:48 2018. It was five steps: (from nycsubway.org) |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Feb 18 08:37:52 2018, in response to Re: Old South Ferry Station, posted by VictorM on Sun Feb 18 05:58:37 2018. Be no bigger deal that a little ramp that coudl zig zag and lead up into some people's house front doors. |
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