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Septa plan to upgrade trolleys |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 11 15:58:00 2018 UpgradeI hope I'm around to see this, like in 2024?? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jan 11 16:13:14 2018, in response to Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 11 15:58:00 2018. best wishes for pleasant longevity. I expect there to be massive political chatter about boarding ramps, fixed stations etc. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 11 17:05:06 2018, in response to Re: Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Jan 11 16:13:14 2018. Thank you and I agree,it's going to take a long, long, time. |
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Posted by mack c-49 on Thu Jan 11 23:20:53 2018, in response to Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 11 15:58:00 2018. I'm all for a trolley upgrade, but the rebuilt PCCs should be kept and re-restored if necessary! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 01:11:32 2018, in response to Re: Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by mack c-49 on Thu Jan 11 23:20:53 2018. I love PCCs. That said, a close member of my clan uses a wheelchair. Accessibility for her trumps my love for vintage streetcars. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 12 09:29:34 2018, in response to Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 11 15:58:00 2018. Either that or they repeal parts of the ADA. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 16:42:30 2018, in response to Re: Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 01:11:32 2018. AFAIK, the rebuilt PCCs in Philly are accessible as are the museum PCCs in Kenosha and the Market St museum fleet in SF. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 12 17:25:50 2018, in response to Re: Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by randyo on Fri Jan 12 16:42:30 2018. on Market Street, there are either concrete ramps or lifts to a "mini high" platform at which the M/M gets to deploy a bridgeplate. This is a reasonable fix, but obviously when buying new cars, roll on roll off is preferable. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sat Jan 13 03:07:07 2018, in response to Septa plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by TransitChuckG on Thu Jan 11 15:58:00 2018. Very interesting plan.It will be very interesting to see where and how they would build platforms, especially in the area immediately west of the 40th street portal where many Penn, Drexel and University of The Sciences students live (USciences has expanded greatly in the last 20 years with a massive expansion of their campus onto what used to be the old Breyers plant at 43rd and Woodland). |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Jan 13 19:26:10 2018, in response to Re: SEPTA plan to upgrade trolleys, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 12 09:29:34 2018. Non technical, not full legalese ADA explanation. NYCT employees were given Basic ADA and proper terminology training such as a Customer using a wheelchair since the wheelchair gives them mobility rather than confining the customer or a customer with a disability or a visually impaired customer, etc.ADA requires level boarding - it can be a high platform like NY Penn or 30th Street or a low platform IF the train car floor allows roll on/roll off. Mini high platforms such as Cornwells Heights are no longer permitted due to double stops if the AD customer is in the "Wrong car" and the crew did not notice when the ADA customer boarded. Existing mini high platforms are grandfathered in but if the station is renovated level boarding is required.IF Cornwells Heights were rebuilt today it must have high platforms. Amtrak Superliner service to Denver, Chicago, etc. has level boarding with the low platform Level boarding , be it high or low platform , speeds service by not requiring use of steps to board or exit a train, especially with bicycles, luggage, strollers, carts, etc. Amtrak's Acela can not use a low platform except by use of an emergency ladder Other NE Corridor Amtrak trains and long distance trains from/to NY Penn such as Keystone, Crescent, Carolinian, etc. can use high or low platforms and they do have steps under a trap door which is raised for low platform stations. Amtrak would like to convert DC Union Station to all high platform but VRE is objecting since VRE trains can only platform at low platforms . VRE is ADA compliant due to level boarding SEPTA Regional Rail is adding high platforms at many stations such as Primos and Secane and Newark in Delaware , among others , as is MARC. IF you recall the ramps that were present at Times Square BMT , They had to be removed since they were too steep and did not meet ADA requirements. Stillwell's ramps had to be rebuilt to ADA specifications. The above is from a friend. |
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