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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 13:38:05 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 13:29:03 2017. It would be better if a couple of guys stopped a useless nit picking argument. Let’s have respect for the three people who died in this train accident! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Dec 26 13:38:58 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 13:38:05 2017. This is the Subchat way! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 13:53:16 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 26 13:35:34 2017. Except that I want to see that. You apparently don’t, or are ignorant of the fact that you don’t. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 13:54:34 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 13:38:05 2017. This thread is not disrespectful to their memory. I wouldn’t want to do anything that disrespected the memory of two of the victims. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 26 14:41:38 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 13:29:03 2017. I agree. I've seen that done also. However, that would require a hands on moderator & I haven't seen any moderator input here in quite awhile. |
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Posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 15:33:03 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 26 14:41:38 2017. I opened a new thread regarding the derailment. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 26 15:51:29 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 11:26:19 2017. new tread ?? how about a new fucking forum , it has no place in subchat. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tue Dec 26 15:52:24 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 26 13:28:01 2017. not tread drift, forum drift, it no longer has place in subchat. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 26 18:57:30 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 11:26:19 2017. You appointed yourself the mod? |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Dec 26 19:06:11 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 26 13:32:57 2017. I haven’t heard of any cars that have dash lights on when headlights are off so it may be something new. I have been driving various cars both domestic and foreign since 1973 including my newest which is a 2006 Chrysler Town & Country and none of them had illuminated dash lights when the headlights were off. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Dec 26 19:13:20 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 26 18:57:30 2017. He's a member of the mod squad. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Dec 26 19:26:19 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 13:19:39 2017. My 2005 car would only light the instrument panel when the headlights were on.My 2014 (auto headlights) lights the panel brighter when they are off. I never realized the behavior was opposite until this thread. So, while it's an irrelevant aside, at least it was useful information. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 20:24:26 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by randyo on Tue Dec 26 19:06:11 2017. Your post changes my view. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 26 20:26:49 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Dec 26 18:57:30 2017. Mod or not, he's right. This thread went from a discussion of a serious train wreck involving fatalities to highway blind spots & dashboard lights. Make no mistake, I'm guilty too. I particapated in non train wreck back & forth. But sometimes you get caught up. It happens. Thats why you need a hands on moderator to control any serious topic deviation. Maintain a sense of order & direction & curbilng personal attacks. Something that dosen't exist here. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 20:31:08 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Dec 26 19:26:19 2017. I figured that sometime between 1997 and 2007 the behavior had changed in most cars. Randyo posted about a 2006 car having the "old" behavior, so even if it's now standard, it wasn't recently enough. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Dec 26 21:12:40 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 26 20:31:08 2017. I agree that's roughly right. The newest car I've owned was manufactured in 1988, and none of them have had gauge lights on when the headlights were off. On the other hand, for many years I have expected rental cars to illuminate the gauges even when the headlights weren't on. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 26 21:34:53 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 26 21:12:40 2017. Actually, in older vehicles they would usually go on with the parking lights as well. Some brands and models had the light level adjustment on the same knob, from off to bright, and finally the dome light would come on... some brands/models had a separate control |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Wed Dec 27 02:24:39 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Dec 26 13:28:01 2017. Moderator? Is there still actually an active, breathing moderator here, who would intervene if I, say, advocated blowing up orphanages? All righty, then, I’m all in favor of that, yes siree Bob. Do not stay your hand, then, O minarchist Mod! |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Dec 27 03:06:52 2017, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by pragmatist on Tue Dec 26 21:34:53 2017. Yes, I really meant headlights and parking lights. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 27 12:12:29 2017, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 13:38:05 2017. Nothing can stop me, I'm all the way up. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Jan 1 19:55:53 2018, in response to Re: Train was going 80MPH in 30MPH zone, posted by AlM on Tue Dec 26 21:12:40 2017. You must be old. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 30 06:24:54 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Bzuck on Tue Dec 26 11:26:19 2017. Railway Track & Structures· News Freight Intermodal Passenger C&S Track Structure Track Maintenance Track Machinery Safety / Training Friday, January 26, 2018 Amtrak engineer didn’t see mileposts, speed signs prior to deadly derailment Written by Mischa Wanek-Libman, editor Amtrak engineer didn’t see mileposts, speed signs prior to deadly derailment Washington State Patrol The engineer of an Amtrak train that derailed in DuPont, Wash., in December was aware of the 30 mph curve and planned to reduce speed, but miscalculated the train's location until it entered the curve and derailed. The information is part of an investigation update provided by the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), which was able to interview the engineer and qualifying conductor, who were both injured seriously in the accident. Both men told NTSB they felt rested and stated they did not feel distracted by the other's presence in the locomotive. The qualifying conductor said he participated in a job briefing conducted by the conductor and the engineer where they went over general track bulletins and other items. According to NTSB, just prior to the derailment, the qualifying conductor said he looked down at his copies of the general track bulletins. He then heard the engineer say or mumble something. He then looked up and sensed that the train was becoming "airborne." The engineer had qualified on the Point Defiance Bypass section of track following the completion of seven to 10 observational trips in the locomotive, as well as three trips operating the equipment, two northbound and one southbound. He also explained he would not have taken the throttle if he had any reservations about his readiness to operate the train. The timeline NTSB released from the engineer's perspective included: · The engineer recalled that as the train passed milepost 15.5 it was traveling about 79 mph. · The engineer told investigators that he was aware that the curve with the 30 mph speed restriction was at milepost 19.8, and that he had planned to initiate braking about one mile prior to the curve. · The engineer said that he saw mileposts 16 and 17 but didn't recall seeing milepost 18 or the 30 mph advance speed sign, which was posted two miles ahead of the speed-restricted curve. · The engineer said that he did see the wayside signal at milepost 19.8 (at the accident curve) but mistook it for another signal, which was north of the curve. · He said that as soon as he saw the 30 mph sign at the start of the curve, he applied brakes. Seconds later, the train derailed as it entered the curve. NTSB said the crewmember accounts are two pieces of information that will be considered and weighed along with other sources during its investigation of the incident, which is expected to take between 12 and 24 months. In its preliminary report, NTSB noted that an active positive train control system would have prevented the over speed condition. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 30 08:57:42 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 30 06:24:54 2018. Both men told NTSB they felt rested and stated they did not feel distracted by the other's presence in the locomotive.Well, the engineer was distracted for some reason or another, and not something illegal (like drugs or a cell phone chat). Seems to prove the case for PTC. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 30 10:21:01 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 30 08:57:42 2018. There had to be some kind of distraction, so IAWTP. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 30 11:32:06 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 30 06:24:54 2018. Thanks for continuing to use this thread. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 30 22:22:01 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 30 10:21:01 2018. And it still hasn't been named? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 31 00:26:37 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 30 08:57:42 2018. cab signals which are a "mature" technology along with speed reduction signals to get the engineer to slow in time for the much reduced sped curve, could have been installed at relatively low cost. (IINM ALL Amtrack diesels are delivered with industry common cab signal hardwarte) |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Jan 31 00:29:29 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 30 08:57:42 2018. While I don't disagree with you on the PTC and likely lack of criminality on the part of the engineer, why must he have been distracted? Pure inexperience seems like a more likely cause to me... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 31 00:49:23 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by R30A on Wed Jan 31 00:29:29 2018. Why conflate inexperience and incompetence? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 31 00:56:30 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by R30A on Wed Jan 31 00:29:29 2018. why must he have been distractedBecause he knew there was a dangerous curve but he failed to slow down for it. If I were driving on some rural road and I had been told that it was a breeze except for some really nasty minimally marked curve at mile 9, I'd be on the lookout for it even if I was totally inexperienced with the road. But I can't promise with 100% certainty that I wouldn't get distracted for a minute and fail to be vigilant. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 31 00:59:20 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - NEVER STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 31 00:49:23 2018. How does (in)ompetence come in? You don't have to be skilled to remember to look out for a curve where you know you must slow down. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 31 01:18:35 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - NEVER STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 31 00:59:20 2018. You don't have to be skilled to remember to look out for a curve where you know you must slow downYou're not a hogger any more than I am, so I won't listen to your opinion on necessary skills to operate a locomotive. Would you trust a novice driver to navigate a curvy road safely, especially if having a flippant attitude? |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Jan 31 03:58:23 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 30 11:32:06 2018. You are welcome. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Jan 31 05:11:00 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by R30A on Wed Jan 31 00:29:29 2018. Maybe he had an involuntary reaction? Like he sneezed a couple of times? That would distract me for a few seconds (like when I'm driving). |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Wed Jan 31 06:35:28 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Jan 31 05:11:00 2018. I had a violent series of sneezes that caused me to involuntarily release pressure off the dead man causing BIE. The charges were dropped and no punishment handed down. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 31 11:10:21 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Wed Jan 31 06:35:28 2018. That reminds me. As I've only ever seen it written, never spoken, I have a question: Is BIE an initialism or an acronym and if the latter, how is it pronounced? |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Wed Jan 31 11:57:24 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 31 11:10:21 2018. Brakes in emergencyBob |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 31 12:40:36 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 31 11:10:21 2018. I had to look up the definition of an initialism. I was not aware that an acronym needs to be pronounced as a word. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 31 12:55:44 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 31 11:10:21 2018. I've heard "B-I-E" before (spelled out). I remember when someone pulled the emergency brake and the train crew were communicating over the P/A and I remember hearing it like that - once. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 31 13:23:22 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 31 12:55:44 2018. It's sort of the only thing that makes sense. Pronouncing it "bye" allows for too much possibility for confusion. |
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Posted by b1bus on Wed Jan 31 20:47:41 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 31 11:10:21 2018. "scuba " is an acronym. |
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Posted by b1bus on Wed Jan 31 20:48:04 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington - STOP USING THIS THREAD, posted by b1bus on Wed Jan 31 20:47:41 2018. ....for example. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Wed Jan 31 22:57:15 2018, in response to Re: Amtrak Derailment in Washington, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 30 11:32:06 2018. Retitling it didn't seem to help. |
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