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Posted by Caine515 on Mon Dec 18 09:49:46 2017, in response to Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Q4 on Mon Dec 18 09:29:09 2017. I'm wondering how they will be the third track at mineola...thats a lot of work to do |
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Posted by andy on Mon Dec 18 09:55:15 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Caine515 on Mon Dec 18 09:49:46 2017. On the south side, where the current platform is located. New platform will be moved to the space just north of the bus terminal/garage structure. The bridges to the east were designed for a south side third track. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 18 10:18:17 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by andy on Mon Dec 18 09:55:15 2017. If I am not mistaken, when they built the Mineola station house in the 1920's, they even left enough room for a third track in front of it due to the fact that it was already a thought way back then. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 18 10:58:18 2017, in response to Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Q4 on Mon Dec 18 09:29:09 2017. I'll have to take my son back out to Mineola before that awesome grade crossing is eliminated on Main Street |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 11:35:01 2017, in response to Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Q4 on Mon Dec 18 09:29:09 2017. Project has a serious flaw: all Oyster Bay trains in both directions can only use the north track to stop at Mineola to access the branch. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 18 11:39:11 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 11:35:01 2017. Because doesn't the third track project elevate the mainline? |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Dec 18 11:43:57 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 11:35:01 2017. I have not seen any plans but it seemed that the reconstruction of the Mineola Blvd overpass had provision for a 3rd track in such a way as to allow the south platform to become an island platform. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 18 12:19:01 2017, in response to Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Q4 on Mon Dec 18 09:29:09 2017. In the time it takes to complete this project China will build 5,000 miles of high speed rail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 13:10:44 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Dec 18 11:43:57 2017. Given the placement of Mineola Blvd's pillars, you could think so, but the plans now are for all new side platforms from New Hyde Park thru Westbury. The middle track will be an "express" track through all 5 stations. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 13:11:37 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 18 11:39:11 2017. This is not like a Babylon Line-like grade elevation. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 18 13:28:43 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Dec 18 12:19:01 2017. And use none of it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 18 16:13:22 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 13:10:44 2017. Well, the "new" track will technically be the "local" track, and one of the current tracks will be the "express" track. I am not sure if they are adding the new track on the north side or south side of the current tracks. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 17:19:27 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 18 16:13:22 2017. They doing it on the south side from Floral Park to Mineola, part of which is there now east of Merillon ave, then the north side from there to Hicksville. I forgot which side it is at Mineola itself. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 18 17:19:44 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 18 16:13:22 2017. South side, iirc. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:32:45 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by andy on Mon Dec 18 09:55:15 2017. What sucks is it's not to be an island platform. This means that, unless some switching is going on (unlikely, the LIRR isn't that coordinated when they don't have to be), the center track is going to be exclusively for diesel and Ronkonkoma trains. And even then, the diesel trains which stop at Mineola will thus need to be on the local track (for example the one Montauk branch train each way for Chaminade students, and the afternoon HPA-Port Jefferson train that makes all the stops. And oh yeah, every Oyster Bay train stopping on the Westbound platform at all times, brilliant move there). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:42:16 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 17:19:27 2017. South. It lines up with the really long siding that was left over from the Herricks Rd crossing elimination. Judging by the rust on those rails, they've hardly ever used that siding (despite it having 3rd rail). Were they expecting a service involving Merrilon Ave locals? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:43:37 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 18 13:28:43 2017. Have to agree here. I also think that in the time of this project, Texas will have an operating bullet train. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 19:51:22 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:42:16 2017. They built it expecting a 3rd track when they eliminated.the Herricks Road crossing. That was because of the van/train accident in the early 1980's.The excuse they gave the local NIMBY's was that was to relay the Oyster Bay shuttles. In the 1980's many off-peak Oyster Bay trains were shuttles, and relayed at Queens Village. The first AM rush train today is a remnant of that. Also saves a train set. They could not then admit that was to be the eventual 3rd track, so they lied. |
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Posted by Joe on Mon Dec 18 20:26:24 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 18 19:51:22 2017. Regarding the Oyster Bay Branch at Mineola, maybe consideration should be given to the problems at Broadway-Myrtle, where a two-track branch leaves a three-track main. A local M train bound for Metropolitan Avenue blocks all three tracks: the track it is on, plus the center track, plus the Manhattan-bound track. There is a chance that the LIRR is counting on relaying Oyster Bay shuttles in the center track west of Mineola, slipping them into Track 1 for the pick-up. However, that would mean that westbound passengers transferring to an Oyster Bay shuttle would have to cross a bridge.-- It looks like an operational mess, plus added grief to the passengers. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Dec 18 20:43:31 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:32:45 2017. Mineola really should be two island platforms so that some expresses could stop there too and to make Oyster Bay service work better, but it looks as though they are about to make a stupid mistake that people will needlessly lament for the next 100 years. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Dec 18 21:48:49 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Dec 18 10:58:18 2017. I was out in Mineola this past weekend at the train station. To put a third track there will require a ton of work, RR re-scheduling & street disruptions left & right with the grade crossing eliminations, RR realignment for Oyster Bay Trains, mucho time & a boatload of $$$.Good luck!! |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Dec 18 22:44:18 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe on Mon Dec 18 20:26:24 2017. What's an Oyster Bay "shuttle"? All Oyster Bay trains I have seen go from Jamaica, to Mineola, then all stops to Oyster Bay.Are you saying they will drop the Jamaica to Mineola portion at all times? Currently that supplemental service is quite helpful when there are large gaps in the Jamaica to Mineola schedule. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Dec 18 22:47:04 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:32:45 2017. If Ronkonkoma trains no longer stop at Mineola (and are put on the center "express" track), that's a massive service cut for a very busy station. Jamaica -> Mineola -> Hicksville is the better compromise. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 22:52:38 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Dec 18 22:47:04 2017. Weekend ones skip Mineola, didn't realize weekday ones stop there. Good to know! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 22:56:48 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe on Mon Dec 18 20:26:24 2017. However, that would mean that westbound passengers transferring to an Oyster Bay shuttle would have to cross a bridge.Yup. If anything, once this is all done they'll realize they *can't* do shuttles anymore because of this. They need to provide time for a theoretical wheelchair handicapped person to cross... and there'll be enough complaints (the OB riders tend to be well connected) that they'll have to run them all to Jamaica, creating massive traffic tie-ups. |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Dec 19 10:15:17 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Dec 18 22:44:18 2017. Thanks to BrooklynTrain for questioning the expression "Oyster Bay Shuttle." The current timetable, effective through February 25, 2018, shows only one such train, number 501, with a T note. It's the first train out of Oyster Bay on a weekday morning.--- I recall more use of shuttles four or five years ago, but that is past history. What is important is that the ease of future riders and operation be considered right now before construction. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 19 17:49:14 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Joe on Mon Dec 18 20:26:24 2017. They are not going to clog up the center track with Shuttles sitting around, of which there were many back in the 1980's. They used to got to Queens Village.Had they configured it like Hicksville or Babylon, then maybe. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Dec 19 18:11:10 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Dec 18 22:47:04 2017. It's really for rush hour zone expresses. Weekend Ronkonkoma trains don't stop there as it is because half hourly Huntington trains do, which are hourly on weekdays. They can't use the express tracks in both directions anyway. They'll stay on he local tracks. Perhaps whatever weekend South Shore diesel jobs take the Main Line will use it. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Dec 19 22:40:39 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by BrooklynTrain on Mon Dec 18 22:44:18 2017. They do seem to want to truncate all Oyster Bay trains at Mineola, the same way they want to truncate all Brooklyn trains at Jamaica. I think they are smoking something. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 19 22:45:26 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 18 10:18:17 2017. The main station house is on the north side and will be unaffected. The secondary station house on the south side will be torn down. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 19 22:47:10 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by andy on Mon Dec 18 09:55:15 2017. Yes. Look at the Mineola Boulevard overpass and that overpass with the elevators by the bus terminal. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 19 22:50:30 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Dec 18 11:39:11 2017. No. At Mineola it will remain at grade.Main Street will either be closed and replaced with a pedestrian overpass, or replaced with a one way underpass. Willis Avenue will get either a one way or two way underpass. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 19 23:43:41 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 18 19:32:45 2017. Agreed! So how will OB work now? Will EB OBs have to foul 3 main line tracks now!? That's ridiculous! Or will they go ahead with scootification and have them just arrive and depart from the northernmost track? They should just put it in the current space between the platform and the bus terminal and have OB EB from the middle track. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 20 07:01:50 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Dec 19 22:40:39 2017. There is no indication of that. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Wed Dec 20 07:02:53 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Dec 19 22:40:39 2017. So commuters coming from Brooklyn will have to make 3 transfers for Oyster Bay trains? Ridiculous. Atlantic Terminal which they spent all that money to build will be a ghost town in a couple yrs. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Dec 20 07:05:04 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 19 23:43:41 2017. Oyster Bay trains will run on the same track within the station in both directions. It also means they canNOT run shuttles - there would be no place to relay the train. They are not clogging up their express track between Floral Park and Hicksville with these. This is not the Broadway-Jamaica line at Myrtle Avenue where they can lay trains up east of the station if they so choose since it sees no revenue service.. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 20 07:38:28 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Dec 19 23:43:41 2017. I'm sure there it's already all figured out and there is a track diagram somewhere. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 20 19:00:27 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Dec 19 22:40:39 2017. The proposed configuration actually makes it significantly worse than the current shuttle. Right now it's a same platform transfer. With this, it's an up and over transfer eastbound. Dumb. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 20 22:35:25 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Dec 20 07:38:28 2017. It is. The diagram shows the dumbness (grey lines are tracks being removed): |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Dec 21 06:49:01 2017, in response to Re: Latest News from the LIRR Expansion Project, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Dec 20 22:35:25 2017. ok, thanks. |
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