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Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017

They might as well take all the seats out so more people can stand. And someone probably got paid a lot of money for the idea!!



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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 25 21:52:26 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

They might as well take all the seats out so more people can stand

That is what they wanted to do. They backtracked on that.

Remember "MTA Rail Road"?

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:57:06 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 25 21:52:26 2017.

Aren't they doing it with the 42nd Street Shuttle?

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Nov 25 22:04:42 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

I thought I was the only one who hated these 160s getting the "Cuomo" treatment... There was nothing wrong with the R160s the way they were but noooo, the TA gotta tinker with them.


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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by BMRR on Sat Nov 25 22:06:30 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Nov 25 22:04:42 2017.

They gotta lay off the magic mushrooms.....

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Nov 25 22:43:42 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

They can always come up with ideas that are even more stupid.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Nov 26 00:59:14 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

IDK. Taking garbage cans from subway platforms in order to decrease the amount of trash left on platforms and tracks ranks up there.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Nov 26 05:04:54 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sun Nov 26 00:59:14 2017.

Yes, that is still the stupidest idea the TA has come up with this decade, it'll take a lot more than removing the homeless shelter section of the E train (lets face it no one in the know chooses to sit there) to outdo that.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Nov 26 05:07:07 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

I like it, no one ever used those seats (homeless shelters) and the extra stand+lean space is welcome. The artwork is silly but I am guessing it was necessary to cover over any unsightly panel mismatches (since they had to take out the underseat heaters as well). I also like the exterior color wrap, without it our subway cars are the blandest in North America. And the shop sticker by the number plate is a nice touch, it hasn't been easy to identify where a car is shopped since the color stripe under the number plate went away.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by W.B. on Sun Nov 26 06:24:20 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Nov 26 05:04:54 2017.

I suppose, in terms of stupid ideas, it'll do 'til the next one comes along . . .

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 26 07:35:33 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

If the homeless can't sit there, they'll do so in the middle of the car, or else they'll they'll bring their shopping cart, blankets, and cardboard box, and camp out right there on the newly vacated, clutterfree floor.

Lhota left it them for them in "move in" condition, with pretty walls that even HGTV would approve. Only Loudmouth Lhota, and it was only that could lose to De Blasio by 49 points, could come up with something so stupid.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by sloth on Sun Nov 26 08:36:37 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 26 07:35:33 2017.

Pretty sure this pre-dates the return of Lhota, but yeah, it's monumentally dumb.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 26 11:04:52 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

Oh, there are lots more. They can install hand holds on the top, sides and ends of trains so the young, skiny and daring can ride on the outside of trains, IndoPac style.

Increase capacity enormously.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Nov 26 12:21:14 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

They might as well take all the seats out so more people can stand.

It's been tried.

Published: January 26, 1956 Copyright © The New York Times

NOW THE SEATLESS TRAIN?

We have seen a good many ingenious improvements suggested for the Times Square-Grand. Central subway shuttle in our day. But we had not expected to live long enough to hear a transit chairman propose that, for the convenience of the public, all seats be removed from the subway cars. In the old days, of course, the railroad ideal was a seat for every rider. But now, since there are obviously too few seats, the cure is to make them still fewer until there are none. Thus the commonly heard complaint that people are herded into the subway trains like 'cattle will receive new substantiation; they will ride standing like cattle too.

Chairman Patterson of the Transit Authority is the author of this new reform, and he admits he has not yet convinced his fellow-members of the authority. He sees only slight inconvenience to passengers in the two-minute shuttle run. But to- the two-minute running time must be added a possible standing and loading time averaging nearly three minutes, in a recent survey, and ranging upward to nearly six minutes maximum. This is standing time not only for the train but also for the passenger.

Have the mills of reform, grinding without effect all these years since the. atrociously engineered “temporary” shuttle was installed in 1918, nothing better than this to deliver to a suffering public ? Really, gent1emen, this is absurd. The shuttle has been getting stepchild treatment from the city tattoo long. It needs a thorough rebuilding and extension, river "to river, maybe farther.


As such, it lacks originality. OTOH, what was Einstein's definition of insanity?

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by SLRT on Sun Nov 26 12:48:49 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Nov 26 12:21:14 2017.

And that was for a one-station ride.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 26 14:46:50 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Nov 26 05:07:07 2017.

IAWTP

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by italianstallion on Sun Nov 26 14:48:20 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

Everyone should relax. It's a pilot program, aka experiment. If it doesn't work, or people complain loudly enough it'll be reversed.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by randyo on Sun Nov 26 15:38:06 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Nov 26 12:21:14 2017.

The problem was that on the existing subway equipment which at the time were still Hi-Vs, the door control equipment and heaters were still under the seats making implementation of such and idea impossible.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Mr RT on Sun Nov 26 21:28:46 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

It is the pee pee corner

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Nov 26 23:38:35 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

The décor resembles a pre-K classroom.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 27 07:11:05 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Nov 25 22:04:42 2017.

That's what I thought. The R160s were good as is.

(I'm speaking of the their layout and look. At 8-10 years old, I'm sure some need mechanical work. But that's not what we're talking about here....)

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 27 19:35:18 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Nov 26 23:38:35 2017.

Well, the SAS subway station have displays of the alphabet with a bunch of circles with letters paired to spell out several words. I don't think it looks very adult.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 28 10:36:04 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 27 19:35:18 2017.

Real Adults do not live in the city anymore.

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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 28 13:51:58 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 28 10:36:04 2017.

WTF does that mean?

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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 28 14:50:59 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 28 10:36:04 2017.

I live in the city (Queens, not Manhattan) but I consider myself a real adult.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 28 15:08:54 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 28 10:36:04 2017.

It's "adult" to live in God's country with oil fracking ?

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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 28 15:36:36 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 28 10:36:04 2017.

so wrong. In fact,ALL OVER the planet, humans are abandonning theboonies for even the most wretched urban slums. As a southern comedian once remarked about northern cities drawing away good old boys--they's jobs up there. While you all had a boomlet in frackland the latest I get from the media is that most of the work still being done is automated and many who migrated for work are now unemployed. Certainly BNSF is more fluid than a few years back both because of track improvement, and lower carloadinga.

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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Nov 28 15:49:48 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 28 10:36:04 2017.





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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 28 16:06:24 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 28 14:50:59 2017.

Thank you.

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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 28 16:06:41 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 28 15:08:54 2017.

IAWTP

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Nov 28 16:31:18 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 27 19:35:18 2017.

I have to agree

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 29 11:19:35 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by italianstallion on Tue Nov 28 13:51:58 2017.

Under educated, living on the city dole.

Even many who did graduate college are quite uneducated.

ROAR

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 29 11:21:23 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 28 14:50:59 2017.

Well, *I* may be 69 years old, but I am about 14 at heart.

ROAR

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 29 11:23:33 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 28 15:08:54 2017.

Good money in fracking oil.

Min wage is $7.50 but nobody will take any work at that price.
Even McDonald's has to start people at $12.00 or else go without.

And the most I ever earned was 15/hr and that was as an RN.

ROAR

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 29 11:24:41 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Nov 28 15:49:48 2017.

It even looks like me.


ROARING, Fracking Roaring!

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 29 11:33:25 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 29 11:19:35 2017.

On average, city dwellers have more education and way more income than rural residents.

And welfare benefits are not limited to city residents.




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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 29 11:57:05 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 28 10:36:04 2017.

Wow...
What an enormously elitists thing to say.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by fdtutf on Wed Nov 29 13:14:40 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 27 19:35:18 2017.

I don't think it looks particularly non-adult, but I think that at this point, it's been up way too long. It should come down.


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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Nov 29 14:04:26 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

I agree. Very stupid idea.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 29 14:42:31 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 29 11:19:35 2017.

My uncle used to refer to book smart but street dumb individuals as “educated fools."

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by randyo on Wed Nov 29 14:44:36 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 29 11:23:33 2017.

If individuals were given the choice of working for whatever the minimum wage is or not getting any money at all even from welfare, they would choose the job.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Alan Follett on Wed Nov 29 14:57:55 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:57:06 2017.

But the Shuttle is sort of a special case, a half-mile, 90-second run with no intermediate stations. Other than being horizontal rather than vertical, it has more in common with an express elevator than a typical rapid transit line; there's not as much need for seating for reasonably ambulatory passengers.

Alan Follett
Hercules, CA

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 29 17:49:55 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 29 14:42:31 2017.

The professorial types ones who have to be told to come in out of the rain.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by jrf2 on Thu Nov 30 09:43:43 2017, in response to Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Nov 25 21:30:50 2017.

There is only ONE good thing about this. That's wheelchair access.

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 30 10:36:55 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 29 11:33:25 2017.

Yeah... That's why they have to decorate their trains like a playpen.

ROAR

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 30 10:39:05 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by randyo on Wed Nov 29 14:44:36 2017.

This is true, but out here we have more jobs than we have workers.
Stores have gone out of business because they could not get workers at a price they could afford.

ROAR

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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Nov 30 10:40:21 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 29 11:57:05 2017.

Yeah... but it sure does stir the pot.

Speaking of which... It will be on the ballot again next year.



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Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with

Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 30 12:05:31 2017, in response to Re: Tell me this ain't the stupidest idea the Transit Authority ever came up with, posted by Alan Follett on Wed Nov 29 14:57:55 2017.

But it is not just the 90 seconds. You board, then wait for it to leave.
Better off taking the #7, at least eastbound. Better crack at a seat for an 11 car train.

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