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Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:32:58 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by WayneJay on Sun Oct 8 22:36:00 2017. No lights almost always meant no AC as well. No PA either. It was a condition unique to the R42. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:34:33 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 8 22:41:32 2017. The time I first started exploring the system. I didn't know any better, it was normal to me. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:36:18 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Andrew Saucci on Sun Oct 8 23:01:30 2017. Imagine living on CPW and having this crap, running on 10 minute headways as your only local service. 😱 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:46:59 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Oct 9 00:08:13 2017. And you had a 50/50 chance it was signed properly. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Tue Oct 10 22:54:37 2017, in response to [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 8 21:40:03 2017. Am I the only one that thinks that redoing the interior was a total waste of money? Obviously, it was necessary for the non a/c 40's, but not all of the 40/40M/42's. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:56:41 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Ian Lennon on Sun Oct 8 23:22:40 2017. They'd be baffled by the more complicated service, especially during rush hours. With so many cars lacking working PA systems, you really had to know where you were going before stepping foot on any train. They'd then get mugged. And they'd probably think the whole experience was cool. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Tue Oct 10 23:27:54 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:56:41 2017. I remember it all too well. They would piss their pants, and be lost in the process. |
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Posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Oct 11 00:57:03 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by randyo on Tue Oct 10 17:36:28 2017. From what I remember of the groups, in solid consists, from approximately 4550 to 4600 were N, 4600 to about 4695 were B (maybe also R), 4696 to 4805 were D, 4800s QJ M LL, and only the last 30 or so were E F. Anyone have the exact numbers? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Oct 11 07:17:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] R-42's In Colorado, posted by Bzuck on Mon Oct 9 19:13:00 2017. But isn't the picture dated 1976? By that time, they had plenty of time to get the crap kicked out of them.Unless they'd been out there since Day 1... |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 07:55:32 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:13:17 2017. Please, the dark cars were the ones I would gravitate to because of those reasons. Riding on a dark R44 would turn it into the Broad Street Express. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 07:56:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 07:55:32 2017. P. S. Air conditioner had to work. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 08:00:05 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Ian Lennon on Tue Oct 10 22:54:37 2017. No you're not. In fact, they really messed up the R32s and the R42s. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 08:00:35 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Ian Lennon on Tue Oct 10 22:54:37 2017. No you're not. In fact, they really messed up the R32s and the R42s. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 08:02:03 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:56:41 2017. LOL. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Oct 11 13:24:54 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Oct 11 00:57:03 2017. The only ones I know were 4924 to 4949 were only on E, F lines. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 11 16:45:43 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Oct 11 00:57:03 2017. There was a small group of R-40Ms, that had the same rollsigns as the R-42 N group and they had signs for the EE, GG and N. When first delivered, they were numbered 4350-4449 and the last R-40 slants were numbered 4450-4549. At some point, the numbers on both series were swapped so that there was a continuous group of modified R-40s and R-42s starting with 4450. If I recall, the QJ, M, LL group were also the ones with the RR signs. The B group also had A and AA signs. If I recall, the E/F group of cars also had A signs with Rockaway destinations since for a brief time, the TA stopped using HH for the Rockaway shuttles and the R-40s and 42s that remained in the Rockaways used A signs for both the Rock Pk shuttles and the Round Robin. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 11 18:58:09 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Oct 11 00:57:03 2017. The French Connection cars were initially assigned to the N and since they didn't have B signs, they operated during the movie with an N up front. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 11 18:58:52 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by randyo on Tue Oct 10 17:36:28 2017. I remember those mixed R-32/42 D consists all too well. R-32s on the ends, R-42s in the middle. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 11 18:59:50 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 10 22:36:18 2017. Makes you wish the old timers were still around. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 11 19:01:38 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Mon Oct 9 20:21:04 2017. They weren't so bad in the late 60s and early 70s. I never had to hold my ears while ripping past each local stop along CPW. Which is more than I can say about Chicago's 6000-series cars in the State St. subway. Compared to those cars, the R-10s were as quiet as mice. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 11 19:02:26 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 08:00:35 2017. I miss those trademark blue doors on the R-32s. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 19:28:50 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by randyo on Wed Oct 11 16:45:43 2017. The original rollsigns on the Jamaica R44s (100-259) also had A signs for the Round Robin Shuttle. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:07:39 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Wed Oct 11 00:57:03 2017. All I remember is 45xx to 4695 for the A/AA/B, but when the R44's came in they left the A; 4696-4807 for the D; 4808/4851 for the RR, 4852-4923 Eastern Division + QB; 4924-4949 for the E/F, but transferred to the east + QB when the R 44's arrived. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 11 20:12:24 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:07:39 2017. So the ones that are left today are not originally indigenous to ENY, but the upper D ones, and most of the RR ones. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:22:41 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Joe V on Wed Oct 11 20:12:24 2017. 4788-4839, except for one pair remain. 50 cars. Yes, a combo of the original upper numbered D cars and most of the original RR cars.4840-4949 were GOH'ed by CI. They were garbage to operate from day 1 and were the first of the R42's to get retired & reefed. |
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Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Oct 11 21:31:53 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:07:39 2017. Original New R42-4550-4583 N-Sea Beach 4584-4695 A,AA,B 4696-4807 CC,D 4808-4849 RR/RR via Nassau 4850-4899 QJ,M,LL 4900-4949 E,F |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Oct 11 21:32:07 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:22:41 2017. What problems plagued those units, and not the others? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 22:10:15 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:22:41 2017. Poor brakes, rough riding, air operated windshield wipers (constantly failing), poor flooring in back of t/o cab which bought in cold air because the roadbed was visible. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 22:12:37 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:07:39 2017. Actually the R42s stayed on the A until the R40s pushed them out.Somewhere along the line the RR also got the 4900s. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 22:15:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 20:22:41 2017. They put a couple of CI R42s on the A. I don't think they lasted a month before disappearing. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Oct 11 23:06:31 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 22:10:15 2017. That's unacceptable. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 07:14:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTO] R-42's In Colorado, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Oct 9 19:44:07 2017. Got it. Thank You. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 12 07:18:51 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Oct 11 22:10:15 2017. Was it them, or the R30 GOH , that got botched because the TA hired a bunch of TWA mechanics who didn't know what they were doing ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 12 07:21:34 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Westcode44 on Wed Oct 11 21:31:53 2017. I remember in the early 1980's, the were starting to mix up the B and D ones, since they were all shot by then, and had to run with blanked signs until they replaced them with comprehensive black and white ones.Amazing they are holding up in ENY to this day. It was a junky car to start with. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 07:25:08 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 07:55:32 2017. As I understand it (anyone with working knowledge, please chime in...) dark cars weren't just a result of failing to change out tubes and ballasts, but rather wiring or something else that was shot to shit from getting pounded every day and not maintained, right?Or was it just bad tubes? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 08:22:46 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 12 07:18:51 2017. IMO, from regularly operating both, the R30 overhauled cars were leaps and bounds better than the CI overhauled R42's. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 08:26:04 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 07:25:08 2017. The problem was dead convertors, which were supposedly better than motor generators which they replaced.These things kept the batteries going. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 12 08:45:32 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 08:26:04 2017. Unlike prior SMEE contracts, R42's were all WH. If half had been GE, would those have fared any better ? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 12 13:33:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 07:25:08 2017. Solid state converters. They sucked and anything on an R42 that needed A/C suffered. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 12 13:35:10 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Oct 11 07:55:32 2017. Well, I was a scared little white boy back then. 😂 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 14:25:22 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 08:26:04 2017. Thank you. Next silly question- how did the cars run at all without batteries? How did the doors operate?Or did the motors and doors bypass the batteries? I suppose a car with dead auxiliary power also cannot be in the lead position? Since every car subsequent to 1917 is essentially a lo-v (as well as the cars actually named LO-Vs), without charged batteries, there's no power to the control handles/master controller, right? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 14:26:55 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Oct 12 13:33:19 2017. So R42s were more prone to having dark cars than other types, I guess? As a kid in the 70s, I do remember dark cars, but I never noted if they tended to be on any particular car class. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 16:25:19 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 14:25:22 2017. Get the battery power from the other cars with working convertors. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 16:26:29 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by MainR3664 on Thu Oct 12 14:26:55 2017. Yes, until GOH. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Oct 13 07:14:50 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 16:25:19 2017. Ok, thanks. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Oct 13 07:37:17 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Oct 8 22:29:39 2017. I remember that too. The MTA back then let cars really go bad and many of them went out dark and other things that would never be acceptable today. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 13 15:32:04 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Oct 11 18:58:09 2017. If you look carefully, some of the French Connection scenes were shot with B signed cars on days when they were available. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 13 15:38:49 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Oct 11 21:32:07 2017. The R-42s GOHed by CIYd retained their original WH master controllers and equipped with NYAB Newtran brakes instead of WABCO RT-2 brakes. from what I have heard from some M/M the NYAB brakes were not as responsive as the WABCOs which is why they were the first to go along with the Group II GOH R-32s which were similarly equipped. It’s interesting now that many of the T/Os seem to think that the R-68s, which are NYAB equipped, operate more smoothly than the R-68As which have WABCO brakes. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 13 15:44:27 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 12 08:22:46 2017. One of the things about the GOH R-30s was that they retained their original SMEE brakes with the ME-42 brake valves instead of the NYAB Newtran brake package. Having operated just about every type of brake equipment on the NYCTS, I can state from experience that the SMEE brake package was far superior the the so called “improved” RT-2 brake systems as found on the R-38s and up even the GOH cars that were WABCO equipped. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri Oct 13 19:39:03 2017, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] R-42's In Colorado (Newkirk Photos), posted by randyo on Fri Oct 13 15:32:04 2017. It was something about needing "clean" cars for the shots, so the bad signs. |
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