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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Italianstallion on Fri Aug 11 17:36:35 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 11 16:57:10 2017.

Iawtp!

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 11 18:18:50 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 11 17:18:14 2017.

Understood. But Nilet claims none of your mentioned dodges are necessary.


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 21:03:19 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 11 18:18:50 2017.

Understood. But Nilet claims none of your mentioned dodges are necessary.

Correct. If you have actually paid the fare, you don't need to dodge the ticket collectors.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 21:03:21 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Aug 11 16:57:10 2017.

If you want to claim that such a law exists, you can feel free to cite it.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 21:03:22 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 11 17:18:14 2017.

So many ways around this, first the officer with conductor present, train on platform w/doors open will ask one final time. Then the passenger (if smart) claims no funds.

Why wouldn't the passenger just show their ticket?

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 21:03:25 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 11 16:28:05 2017.

Conductor in Park Ave tunnel: Sorry, your ticket to 125th is no good. First stop for discharge on this train is Mt Vernon East.

Passenger: I disagree. Take my ticket.

Conductor: Pay an extra $3 or you'll be arrested.

Passenger: No.

Conductor radios MTA Police, and they happen to be at 125th so they meet the train. Passenger gets off the train.

MTA Police Officer: you are under arrest for refusing to pay the required fare on this train, which is GCT to Mt Vernon East.

OK, counselor, how do you argue this case?


What charge (if any) is being filed?

If the charge is farebeating or theft of service, then presenting your ticket to 125th would suffice.

Under the circumstances, though, it's highly unlikely that the passenger would even be charged at all, in which case there's nothing to argue; you can skip straight to the false arrest suit.

Unless, of course, the cop arrested the conductor instead. I hear there might be some precedent for that.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 11 21:09:26 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 11 16:04:44 2017.

"I think it's probably also because a longer distance train can operate with fewer conductors if they don't have to get everyone's ticket until White Plains or Croton."

That occurred to me as well the other day. It's as much to keep subway and bus riders from grabbing a free ride to 125 St as anything else. If passengers are allowed to exit at 125 St, theoretically all tickets must be checked before then. Unfortunately, that may be a difficult job, especially for a small crew.

Similarly, the LIRR 3-stop "no Jamaica" express runs on the Babylon line can have a minimum crew because the crew has the whole run to walk the entire train-- and they only have to check once instead of twice.


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 11 21:18:01 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Aug 11 15:36:10 2017.

That alone appears to cover pretty much everything.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Aug 11 21:38:26 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 11 16:04:44 2017.

Not only that, most peak Harlem line trains also have the R/D.

If they really cared they would have to separate out the platforms at 125th - the track 4 platform could have one-way exit style subway gates. Trains that actually receive passengers at 125th can use track 2. This also leaves track 2 free for northbound movements in the afternoon.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Aug 11 21:54:40 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 21:03:25 2017.

Court: The passenger to be released, the matter not worth our light. But this Whining Nilet vexes so me, he shall be hung before night!

Case Closed.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 22:21:04 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Italianstallion on Fri Aug 11 17:36:35 2017.

Et tu, eque?

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Michael549 on Fri Aug 11 22:58:58 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Steamdriven on Fri Aug 11 21:54:40 2017.

I know that this message stream has been a long one, I just did not know that Nilet was hung.

SMILE

Mike


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 11 23:00:07 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 21:03:19 2017.

"If you have actually paid the fare, you don't need to dodge the ticket collectors."

You have paid the fare, but got on the wrong train. The railroad has the right to penalize for your mistake (getting on the wrong tran). A mistake that could have been avoided if the public timetable was followed which clearly indicates recieve only & not discharge passengers.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by sloth on Sat Aug 12 01:29:59 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 11 21:03:19 2017.

Can you really be this dense? It's a step up, a surcharge, not much different from being on a peak train with an off peak ticket, the railroad is within its rights to do such things, and if a passenger gets unruly about it, or refuses to accept whatever Metro North's version of an ADL is, representatives of the railroad are within their rights to call the cops. None of this is remotely debatable. You could say, well, this policy doesn't really make sense. You'd be right. It would be easier to adjust the ConnDot agreement, certainly. You could have quit while you were ahead instead of loudly advertising your complete lack of reading comprehension. My three year old would probably have understood the "R" stop policy by sometime yesterday.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Ian Lennon on Sat Aug 12 01:45:54 2017, in response to On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 5 05:57:32 2017.

What is it with people today? I can't believe the shit I just read. They feel they can change the rules just because they don't agree with it, or it inconveniences them. It doesn't matter if you agree with it, even if it is completely illogical. Here is a newsflash, the world does not revolve around you, and your desires. Those are the rules, tough shit.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 12 01:59:57 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Aug 11 21:38:26 2017.

If they really cared they would have to separate out the platforms at 125th - the track 4 platform could have one-way exit style subway gates.

That would reduce flexibility. Currently, every track is used to board northbound passengers. Many Croton-bound trans use track 4.




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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 12 09:31:05 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 11 12:09:13 2017.

Just ignore the troll. He's so lonely he needs this kind of attention; all his own fault.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 12 10:16:13 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 12 09:31:05 2017.

You are probably right. I like to think of these forums somewhat like hanging out with friends and bs-ing. I don't always agree with them, but if I did what would be the point. But even when I don't agree, or even see things from the same point of view, I try to understand and respect that persons line of thinking and how they reached those conclusions, even if I have reached a different one. You and I have not always agreed, but never in a disrespectful manner. We may see things from a different vantage point, but at least I am confident that other vantage point is somewhere on earth.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 10:48:27 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Aug 11 23:00:07 2017.

You have paid the fare, but got on the wrong train.

Does it stop at 125th? Can you physically exit at this station? Unless the answer to either question is no, then you got on the right train.

The railroad has the right to penalize for your mistake (getting on the wrong tran).

Whether the railroad has the contractual right to charge you $2.75 is irrelevantó they can't sue you for an amount so small and they can't have you arrested for refusing to pay because breach of contract isn't actually a crime.

This subthread is based on AlM's claim that you can be (legitimately) arrested for refusing to pay the $2.75 which is utter nonsense.

A mistake that could have been avoided if the public timetable was followed which clearly indicates recieve only & not discharge passengers.

I'm actually tempted to ride a New Haven train from Grand Central to 125th now. I'd love to see the looks on everyone's face as they see me step off, indignantly screaming: "You can't possibly be here! There is an 'R' on a piece of paper!"

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 10:48:31 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by sloth on Sat Aug 12 01:29:59 2017.

It's a step up, a surcharge, not much different from being on a peak train with an off peak ticket

Except it is different. If you go to 125th on a train with an $8 fare and you pay only $6 then you haven't paid the fare. If you go to Mount Vernon on a train with a $10.75 fare and only pay $8, then you haven't paid the fare. If you go to 125th on a train with an $8 fare and pay $8, then you have paid the fare.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that you only have to pay for the trip you actually take?

the railroad is within its rights to do such things

They may have the contractual right to charge you an extra $2.75 but they can't have you arrested for breach of contract because that's not actually a crime.

and if a passenger gets unruly about it

No one said anything about the passenger getting unruly. AlM proposed only that the passenger refuse to pay for a trip from 125th to Mount Vernon that they have no intention of actually taking.

You could say, well, this policy doesn't really make sense.

I'm saying this policy isn't a law that you can actually be arrested for violating.

If I announce my policy is that you're not allowed to use the letter "e" in this thread from now on, and you reply using that letter, can I have you arrested?

I'm willing to concede that my policy makes no sense and you're free to argue that my policy is capricious, arbitrary, and absurd (though not pointless) but according to your own logic you must obey it or be arrested.

I'm sure your three-year-old can understand this policy and explain it to you if you have trouble with it.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 10:51:19 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 12 10:16:13 2017.

Ouch, if you find yourself doing the lost-thread-commiseration with Olog then you have really been owned.

All because you couldn't bring yourself to accept that taking Metro-North from Grand Central to 125th is not a crime for which you can be arrested. You sure picked a weird hill to die on, buddy.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 11:12:19 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by italianstallion on Mon Aug 7 14:16:31 2017.

Except you just did. Therefore, Metro-North has chosen to allow it.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 12 12:08:51 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by pragmatist on Sat Aug 12 10:16:13 2017.

Thanks. I absolutely agree with that.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 12 12:39:14 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Aug 11 21:38:26 2017.

Sounds good on paper, but if one train shits out between GCT & MO tower, their goes the rush hr.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Aug 12 12:56:18 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 10:48:31 2017.

"If I announce my policy is that you're not allowed to use the letter "e" in this thread from now on, and you reply using that letter, can I have you arrested?"

Are you a state authority whose policies are codified into state law?

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Aug 12 13:03:03 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 11:12:19 2017.

Lol. If you do something in violation of a rule, that means the rule-maker has allowed it? Weird world you live in.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 12 14:26:34 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 10:48:27 2017.

From a previous message:

"I'm actually tempted to ride a New Haven train from Grand Central to 125th now. I'd love to see the looks on everyone's face as they see me step off, indignantly screaming: "You can't possibly be here! There is an 'R' on a piece of paper!"

I'd would want such a scene to be filmed! To be able to watch such a scene on You-Tube or something similar. That would confirm the state of the world that we live in today.

SMILE

Mike


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 15:13:42 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 11 16:28:05 2017.

It's that silly old ICC rule that says New Haven trains can't carry local passengers. Unfortunately, the MTA still enforces it.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 12 15:14:31 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Aug 12 13:03:03 2017.

It's right up there with claiming the MTA allows you to cross between cars on 60' equipment due to the doors being unlocked.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 12 15:27:35 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 12 15:14:31 2017.

From a previous message:

"It's right up there with claiming the MTA allows you to cross between cars on 60' equipment due to the doors being unlocked."

Years ago before the increased usage of air-conditioned subway cars and full-width conductor/train operator cabs on trains that use the current #1 line at the South Ferry Loop station - passengers were advised to walk from subway car to subway car to reach the first five cars of the subway trains that would stop at the South Ferry Loop station.

There was even signage posted within the subway cars, as well as conductor announcements about making such a walking journey.

After the usage of full-width cabs within such trains passengers headed to the South Ferry Loop station were advised to walk along the platform at the Rector Street station.

The trains that travel along the former IRT lines aka "the number lines" have cars that are 51 feet in length.

Mike


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 15:33:38 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Michael549 on Sat Aug 12 15:27:35 2017.

So they spent $650 Million to eliminate that "problem", then another $500 Million to rebuild it.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 12 15:57:46 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 15:33:38 2017.

That double boondoggle actually outranks most of the wild suggestions that are postulated here routinely and derided just as routinely. Makes Wile E. Coyote look like a genius.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 16:16:58 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 12 15:57:46 2017.

Like the Oculus, Moynihan "Station" - vanity projects. They want pretty and expensive. Usefulness is an afterthought.

Except for the Apple store, I have never seen more than a couple of people in each haught-taughty store in the Oculus. Maybe it will be among 20% of the Malls that shuts down over the next 5 years. I don't see how their cash flow can keep them around.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 12 16:53:06 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 15:13:42 2017.

Doesn't explain outbound Southeast trains not allowing discharge at 125th.


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 12 16:58:42 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 10:48:27 2017.


"I'm actually tempted to ride a New Haven train from Grand Central to 125th now. I'd love to see the looks on everyone's face as they see me step off, indignantly screaming: "You can't possibly be here! There is an 'R' on a piece of paper!"

Now you are being rediculous...and you know it. Almost as rediculous as the D/R rule is in the first place. Better still, ride to 125 from GCT on an R only train & see if you're confronted. Make it a test case & see what happens. BTW, make sure you are in a car that opens up at 125 in the first place, not all do at 125, especially on the weekends (just check with the conductor at GCT!)

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 17:41:31 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Aug 12 13:03:03 2017.

Lol. If you do something in violation of a rule, that means the rule-maker has allowed it?

Except that if you'll recall, we're talking about theft of service.

AlM claimed that riding to 125th is "theft of service" because you're not paying for a trip to Mount Vernon.

I explained that it's not theft of service to pay for a trip you didn't actually take.

You stated that New Haven trains don't sell tickets to 125th, which implied you believed it was, in fact, theft of service.

I asked why New Haven trains wouldn't sell the ticket, which is an important questionó theft of service requires you use services without intending to pay for them; the fact that you offered payment proves you intended to pay for them. Moreover, the vendor's refusal to accept payment releases you from your obligation to pay; the law does not allow you to be kept in a state of perpetual debt by a creditor who simply refuses to accept your money.

You dismissed the question and directed me to your reply to AlM where you agreed with his assessment that riding to 125th constitutes theft of service. You also posted an article carefully cropped to omit any reference to the fact that people regularly violate the R/D policy and are not arrested for it.

I explained the law to you with respect to theft of service and refusal to accept payment.

You responded by declaring that you're not "allowed" to ride to 125th.

I explained that since Metro-North permitted you to board a train to 125th, where you exited, then they have rendered you the service of transportation to 125th. As such, you have not committed theft of service, because you received transportation to 125th and paid for transportation to 125th.

Your response was nonsensical and appeared to either forget the context of the discussion (ie, theft of service) or to conflate state law with a policy the MTA established and is free to waive or rescind at any time.

So, let's see if I can figure out where you went wrong. In your opinion, is it a criminal offense if:

You buy a ticket from GCT to 125, board a New Haven train, and disembark at 125?

You buy a ticket from GCT to 125, board a Harlem line train with an "R" for 125, and disembark there?

You buy a ticket from GCT to Mount Vernon, board a New Haven train, but disembark at 125?

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 17:41:36 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Aug 12 16:58:42 2017.

Now you are being rediculous...and you know it.

It's called a "joke."

Better still, ride to 125 from GCT on an R only train & see if you're confronted. Make it a test case & see what happens.

You willing to spot me the $6? ($12 if you want me to buy on board?)

BTW, make sure you are in a car that opens up at 125 in the first place, not all do at 125, especially on the weekends (just check with the conductor at GCT!)

I'll actively seek out the conductor. That way, I make sure I can get out at 125th and I'll make sure to find out the conductor's reaction to my holding a ticket to a station where Italianstallion swears it's a crime for me to travel to.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 17:41:40 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Aug 12 12:56:18 2017.

Are you a state authority whose policies are codified into state law?

My "no E" policy is as much a state law as the MTA's policy that you can't ride to 125th.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 17:50:46 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 10:48:31 2017.

As usual , you are acting like a pompous, contract lawyer, and you don't know a damned things about the subject matter.

The MINIMUM fare on a New Haven train is to the first non "R" stop.

PERIOD.

The fact that someone decided to get off at 125th Street does not change the fact that the minimum fare for THAT train was not paid. Theft of services HAS occurred.


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 17:52:19 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 12 16:53:06 2017.

I don't get that one, except desire for load-balancing.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 18:15:02 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 17:50:46 2017.

Didn't I once have to explain to you what a subsidy was? As I recall, you made quite a fool of yourself in that thread. And now you're back to spew at length on a subject about which you know nothing.

The MINIMUM fare on a New Haven train is to the first non "R" stop.

PERIOD.

The fact that someone decided to get off at 125th Street does not change the fact that the minimum fare for THAT train was not paid. Theft of services HAS occurred.


Theft of service requires you to use services without intending to pay for them. If you pay for a trip from GCT to 125 and you ride from GCT to 125, then what services did you steal?

You have not stolen transport from GCT to 125 because you paid for it.

You have not stolen transport from 125 to points north because you didn't use it.

So what services have you stolen?

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 18:37:18 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 18:15:02 2017.

No, you proved yourself to be quite stupid in calling something a subsidy that was not with that idiotic land grant discussion, having no understanding of the revenue lost by the railroads, which had nothing to do with Buffalo Central Terminal anyway.

You stole services by not paying the minimum fare.

To repeat, you are:
clueless,
wrong,
as usual, don't matter how much nonsense you write.

END OF DISCUSSION.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 12 18:41:05 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 17:41:31 2017.

AlM claimed that riding to 125th is "theft of service" because you're not paying for a trip to Mount Vernon.

I explained that it's not theft of service to pay for a trip you didn't actually take


I never claimed that. I asked you to provide a citation that it isn't.

You might actually be correct. I just contend that you haven't established it. That's what I'm not convinced the fare to 125th suffices. It could be considered theft of services: you're underpaying for your required minimum trip to Mt Vernon East means.


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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 18:47:45 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 12 18:41:05 2017.

He doesn't get that.

When the Amtrak NEC was mostly unreserved, southbound, Newark Penn was sometimes an "R" stop. If you got on an NYPS headed to NWK witha NWK ticket on such a train, tough shit, you were charged the step up to Metropark. That fact you intended to get off at NWK was completely irrelevant. You didn't belong there.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Aug 12 19:02:57 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 17:41:31 2017.

(Skip this post if you prefer to avoid talk of rubber-tired vehicles.)

Some express bus routes duplicate local ones for long stretches. If I board the BM3 at say Ocean Avenue and Avenue W in Brooklyn, dump $2.75 in the farebox (instead of the $6.50 I'm supposed to pay for a trip I'm supposed to take to Manhattan), take a seat and get off a couple of miles later at Glenwood Road (a pick-up only stop in that direction, but hey, maybe the door will open to receive intending passengers), is that OK in your book? Both MTA Bus Co. and MTA NYCT operate local routes, I've paid for a local trip, and my coins were "accepted" at the box, so it should be fine, right?

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 19:14:36 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Sat Aug 12 19:02:57 2017.

The "R" and the "D" have a real meaning. I think the MTA should get rid of this historical ICC nonsense, but it has an impact, which Nilet would like to disregard.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Aug 12 19:17:20 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Nilet on Sat Aug 12 17:41:31 2017.

You seem to have an obsessive personality.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 12 20:35:12 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 19:14:36 2017.

I'm thinking the opposite: the CDOT trains should skip both NYC stops.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 20:36:47 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 12 20:35:12 2017.

Not everyone on the New Haven line wants to go to GCT.

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Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Aug 12 20:40:32 2017, in response to Re: On-Duty Metro-North Conductor Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Aug 12 20:36:47 2017.

They will when it's the only stop in NYC :).

125th-ers can backtrack on the 4/5. Fordham-ers will unfortunately need to take the 60/61/62 bus from New Rochelle.

It's a small price to pay to make Nilet wrong, but as someone who does not live in the affected area, I think it's worth it.

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