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LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr summary: LIRR seeks board approval to award a non-competitive Inter-Governmental lease agreement with Maryland Transit Administration (MTA), a modal division of the Maryland Department of Transportation, for the lease of between 8-21 passenger coach cars in the Not to Exceed amount of $ 4,159,700 covering a three year term (one year base plus two one-year options). These cars will be put into service during the summer months, in order to increase overall seating capacity on the Montauk branch. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- LIRR seeks board approval to award a non-competitive Inter-Governmental lease agreement with Maryland Transit Administration ("Maryland-TA"), a modal division of the Maryland Department of Transportation, for the lease of between 8-2 l passenger coach cars in the Not to Exceed amount of $ 4, 159, 700 covering a three year term (one year base plus two one-year options). These cars will be put into service during the summer months, in order to increase overall seating capacity on the Montauk branch. Pursuant to an extensive direct outreach of regional commuter railroads, LIRR located this equipment , performed inspection and testing, and determined it to be compliant with FRA 49 CFR, operational and in good condition, having come off of lease to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority ("SEPT A") earlier this year. Due to the compatibility of this equipment with LIRR's infrastructure, only minor wiring adjustments (i.e. modifications to the speed settings, boards and components) will be required in order to run with Diesel Electric ("DE")/Dual Mode ("OM") locomotives. LIRR plans to modify cab cars to operate on the head end, adding 8 cars to service in the first year and increasing the number of cars to be leased to a maximum of twenty one in option years 2018 and 2019. MTA will provide training to LIRR train operators, maintenance personnel as well as to a LIRR Trainer in order to ensure proper operation, maintenance and troubleshooting practices are followed and ordinary repairs are performed responsibly. Under the agreement, LIRR is responsible for all routine repairs and maintenance, in accordance with the original equipment manufacturer's standards, including normal running repairs. LIRR will order any required specialized parts from Maryland-TA and MTA will transport and invoice LIRR for the cost of parts at the end of the term. Leasing this equipment is cost effective as it enables LIRR to meet the demand of its seasonal customers, while avoiding long term fleet investments under current budgetary constraints. Leasing also affords LIRR time to re-assess long term fleet needs, deferring to such time that the diesel fleet is ready for replacement, and until such time that other initiatives impacting future capacity (ESA, Main Line Second Track and Main Line Expansion and ) are implemented. MTA's lease price of $15,570 per car per month, is fair and reasonable based on their certification that they are offering their "Most Favored Customer" rate and the same rate charged to SEPTA and AMTRAK earlier this year. Option years reflect a 0% escalation factor. Also included in this request is $1,000/month per car for spare parts, which will be provided on an as-needed basis by Maryland-TA. Maryland-TA will invoice parts to LIRR at their cost plus shipping and handling and no further mark-ups, which is also fair and reasonable. This lease agreement is exempt from MBE/WBE goals as there are no opportunities to subcontract work out. This work will be reimbursed from LIRR's Operating budget.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 19 15:33:24 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Good. Needed. For the new schedule Starting Monda, the AM train from Babylon to Montauk will begin its' run at Jamaica.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Dave on Fri May 19 16:02:49 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri May 19 15:33:24 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Will make for some interesting pictures.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 19 17:23:05 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Very good news!!!
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V* on Fri May 19 17:32:16 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I had thought the LIRR had a non-standard MU pin arrangement, something like everyone has 27 pins, while LIRR has 32. Anybody know for sure ?
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V* on Fri May 19 17:35:23 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Woonder if they will run as a set, or split up to run on low priority, short trains like Greenport Scoot and Oyster Bay ?
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by R36 #9346* on Fri May 19 17:41:09 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Apparently, since they're coming from SEPTA, these will likely be single-level cars. I'm guessing these will run as a set, or somehow added to trains of C3 cars the way UTA added Comet 1 cars from NJT to their trains.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V* on Fri May 19 18:01:25 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri May 19 17:41:09 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr When UTA mixes them, the doors on the Comet-I don't function. Same was true when NJT cars went to Montreal - they alternated in a consist with AMT's version of the Comet-II because the doors would not MU.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Nilet* on Fri May 19 18:34:03 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Since they've come off lease to SEPTA, I'm presuming these are single level cars? I'll need to schedule a trip to railfan Long Island if this happens.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Dave* on Fri May 19 18:35:16 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Nilet on Fri May 19 18:34:03 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Pictures, man, pictures!
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by SUBWAYMAN* on Fri May 19 19:23:09 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Awesome!
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by BMRR* on Fri May 19 19:28:23 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Nilet on Fri May 19 18:34:03 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Do they get repainted/decaled?
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri May 19 19:30:18 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri May 19 19:23:09 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr This is interesting news.......I hope these are single level cars.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by 3-9* on Fri May 19 19:35:01 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr About time the LIRR did something. Which model(s) of locomotive will they be using, that won't have a problem with Jamaica?
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri May 19 20:51:51 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Not surprising. MARC really had no need for 50 additional bi-level cars at the current time. It practically doubled their fleet!
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri May 19 23:20:43 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Joe V on Fri May 19 17:35:23 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr If they get 2 cab cars I can see them using 2 cars on the scoot and 6 on an Oyster Bay or Port Jeff, only opening 4 off-peak (currently there are 3 bilevels open off peak on these lines).
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 20 06:39:04 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by BMRR on Fri May 19 19:28:23 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Do they get repainted/decaled? Probably not, they retain their MARC identification when Amtrak leases them. Bill Newkirk
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sat May 20 06:42:02 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by 3-9 on Fri May 19 19:35:01 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Which model(s) of locomotive will they be using, that won't have a problem with Jamaica? "Due to the compatibility of this equipment with LIRR's infrastructure, only minor wiring adjustments (i.e. modifications to the speed settings, boards and components) will be required in order to run with Diesel Electric ("DE")/Dual Mode ("OM") locomotives. " Bill Newkirk
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 06:43:58 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri May 19 20:51:51 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr MARC is still using some Sumitomo coaches. They have their NJT-style MLV cars corralled onto the Brunswick line, but the trailer car coupled to the locomotive is often a Sumitomo. Some are also shrink-wrapped for bikes.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 09:15:59 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 20 06:42:02 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I heard that before , and it never worked remember the various power for bi-tanic train ?
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 09:22:43 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 09:15:59 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr The C-1 and C-3 were not compatible with on another either. We'll see what happens. The MU pin connections: isn't LIRR different than other railroads ?
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat May 20 10:17:58 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Dave on Fri May 19 16:02:49 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr What do they look like, anyone have a picture of them
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 11:01:20 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat May 20 10:17:58 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr http://bit.ly/2rDwaU2
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V* on Sat May 20 11:13:35 2017, in response to LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by gold_12th on Fri May 19 14:37:27 2017.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr LIRR has always needed a summer, weekend surge fleet since the 1890's, which they had until that pompous jackass Prendergast replaced the Pullman-Standard and C-1 fleets, which already tight, with the C-3, and cut seat inventory 15%. The trend actually started in 1988 when a prior LIRR Pres over-scrapped the diesel fleet following the Ronkonkoma electrification, scrapping or selling about 60 2700 and 2800 series cars.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 20 20:35:47 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 09:15:59 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I heard that before , and it never worked remember the various power for bi-tanic train ? The LIRR has this all figured out. lol Bill Newkirk
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 20:37:12 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 09:22:43 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr yes 27 point standard vs 32 point Amphenol
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 20:38:45 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 20 20:35:47 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr roll that beautiful bean footage :-)
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 20:39:36 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat May 20 20:35:47 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Let' see: 1) METRA (C&NW) E8's with HEP 2) GP38's with butchered FA power pack 3100 3) FL9's, the most cantankerous breed of the species 4) C-1's sold to Ken Bitten, then IPH Ed Ellis.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 20:40:19 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 20:37:12 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Do you know what is in those 5 extra pins ?
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 20:47:10 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 20:40:19 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr I use to have a pinout but got rid of most of my stuff.
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 20:51:51 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 20:40:19 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr here is some info on 27 pin ? http://www.apta.com/resources/standards/Documents/APTA-PR-E-RP-017-99.pdf and : his is a general pinout on EMD locomotives, some RRs have added trainline ground reset, slowspeed control,etc. Pin#1 not normally used, some RRs are using this for slow speed control. Pin#2 train line alarm, rings the bell in all the units. Pin#3 governer D valve, for trainline shut down and engine rpm Pin#4 control negative Pin#5 emergency sanding Pin#6 generator field Pin#7 governer C valve, engine rpm Pin#8 foreward, pin out pin 9 on the front pin 8 on the rear Pin#9 reverse. pin out pin 8 on the front pin 9 on the rear Pin#10 train line wheel slip light Pin#11 not used,, Pin#12 governer B valve Pin # 13 control positive Pin #14 not used Pin#15 governer A valve Pin#16 engine run relay Pin#17 dynamic brake setup,( if equipped ) Pin#18 not used Pin#19 not used Pin#20 trainline brake warning light Pin#21 dynamic brake setup controls rpm in dynamics Pin#22 compressor syncronisation(if equipped) Pin#23 trainline manuel sand Pin#24 dynamic brake train line potential, 0-72 volt Pin#25 MU headlights Pin#26 some times used for mu ground relay reset Pin#27 not used
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Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years
Posted by Joe V on Sat May 20 20:58:19 2017, in response to Re: LIRR is leasing 8 MARC cars for this summer; up to 21 cars for next 2 years, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat May 20 20:51:51 2017. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr Thank you.
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