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NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 12 22:56:47 2017 WBFO, NPR 88.7 FM
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 13 02:44:53 2017, in response to NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 12 22:56:47 2017. Long shot on top of a long shot. I would like to see Central Terminal restored, but how much would it cost, while it's in that condition? On top of that, restoring the bridge connecting the tracks, ugh... |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 13 03:15:29 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 13 02:44:53 2017. Probably a better chance of Metra rebuilding Chicago Dearborn. Or Amtrak moving out of Rensselaer and rebuilding Albany Union Station. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 13 18:03:12 2017, in response to NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 12 22:56:47 2017. I wish the USAF would drop a bomb at the hunk of shit of a Buffalo Central terminal, pay NYS-DOT reparation aid, and invest the money in the Depew station which is just fine. It is a safe suburban neighborhood.It's also in ahitty area, with no local bus service, and no intercity bus service. Nobody will leave their car there overnight. I used the Terninal in the late 1970's getting to college. It was an above ground sewer then - it is 1945-Berlin today. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 14 01:24:49 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 13 18:03:12 2017. Thanks for showing your true attitude towards trains, never mind history. Enjoy your buses in that case. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 07:25:17 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 14 01:24:49 2017. My attitude towards trains is just fine. Amtrak is a railroad , not a museum. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:41:55 2017, in response to NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 12 22:56:47 2017. Buffalo Central Terminal was a mistake from the moment it was built. I get that a lot of terminals were built in areas that at the time were far outside the currently developed area, but did people really believe Buffalo was going to develop that far out? This station is wildly inconvenient to a downtown that will never spread as far out as Broadway-Fillmore. One of the key advantages to the train over the plane is that it brings you right to downtown. This mistake of a station, as beautiful and historic as it is, makes taking the train as convenient as flying, and by that I mean not convenient at all. Depew is even worse. At best, I could see a station right there at the junction just off Exit 5 where at least all 3 services (Maple Leaf, Empire, and LSL) could stop close to downtown, but even that is a bit outside, but at least it's an area where one could reasonably expect downtown to expand to if Buffalo were to ever bounce back. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 14 16:04:30 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:41:55 2017. Buffalo Central Terminal was a mistake from the moment it was built . . . did people really believe Buffalo was going to develop that far out?That's what they said about Grand Central once. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:04:33 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:41:55 2017. I don't think it is that important to be in downtown when we are talking about Buffalo. Look at the rider states, and Exchange St is not that popular compared to Depew. AT least at Exchaneg STreet, you can walk to the Light Rail and NFTA bus terminal, which is not something you want to do when several of the trains pass through Buffalo anyway.Depew is fine. It is a nice suburban area 2 miles form the airport and car rentals. The Maple Leaf is not that important anymore compared to a NFL terminating train. Customs behavior and procedures have killed most of the business. Look at the VIA Rail annual report. It carries on average 43 people per trip, is the worst performing route in the system, and has a subsidy per passenger mile of $4.02. Even the poor performing Quebec remote trains of 1 coach each perform at a $2.53 subsidy per passenger mile. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:10:45 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 14 16:04:30 2017. Except there was and is a city around GCT.There was nothing around Central Terminal, and now there's less than that. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 14 16:11:25 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:41:55 2017. So build a fast light rail from there to downtown. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:14:23 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 14 16:11:25 2017. For 4 round trip trains a day. That couldn't even justify a local bus route. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 14 16:20:50 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:04:33 2017. There are 4 things which conspire to hurt the Maple Leaf:1. 2 hour customs stop formerly at the converted freight house - the new station is nicer so this might not be so bad. 2. The high fare. 3. The long ride - if we get the 3rd track this won't be so bad. 4. Bad times for Buffalonians who would want to day trip Toronto. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 14 16:22:13 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:14:23 2017. There will be 4 more round trips once the 3rd track is built. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:23:04 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 15:41:55 2017. These are the 2016 rider numbers for boardings + alightings:Exchange Street (3 trains): 37,960 Depew (4 trains): 108,111 Total: 146,071 (400 a day). Exchange Street with 3 trains a day is about the same as Saratoga with 2 trains a day. Croton-Harmon is 45,000 per day. It is pretty clear people do not want to go downtown. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:27:16 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 14 16:20:50 2017. 1: Yeh it's "nicer". You also have to get off with your luggage and not get back on until they are all done, both directions, which is done at the VIA Rail station coming back.4. Nobody from Buffalo is going to sweat out that Customs shit even with better times. Canadians opt for the GO Transit bus/train combo. That's why VIA dropped their own frequency. Maybe some Buffalonians drive there too to catch GO. |
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Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:28:00 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 14 16:22:13 2017. Don't hold your breath for a 3rd track or any more trains. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 23:48:58 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:23:04 2017. You're better off finding out what the real reason is than assuming it's because people don't want to go downtown. Is downtown Buffalo a depressed area? Is it gentrifying? Do the type of people who are more likely to ride Amtrak live in the suburbs more-so than downtown? And you're definitely better off not assuming that people will never want to go downtown. Millennials for the most part are urban-centric and are leading the resurgence of the city center all over the country. So if the future Amtrak demographic is moving downtown, then expect Exchange St ridership to change. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 23:50:01 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 14 16:04:30 2017. Pretty sure I addressed that...." I get that a lot of terminals were built in areas that at the time were far outside the currently developed area, but did people really believe Buffalo was going to develop that far out?" ...Yup, I addressed that |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 23:53:05 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:04:33 2017. I'm not even considering Buffalo to Toronto riders. I'm just looking at it as one more train providing service from Buffalo to other points in NYS. And being in downtown is most definitely important since that's where millenialls are moving to. Besides, you were arguing for Central Terminal, which is in a shit suburb not near anything. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 23:54:38 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Tue Mar 14 16:11:25 2017. Why? Why spend the money to build a light rail to support a station just because it's a nice looking historic building when a station could be built downtown. I get the desire to serve Central Terminal, but guess what, it's in a shit location and it's useless as a result. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:17:46 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 23:48:58 2017. I think it's simply because most Buffalonians own cars, would rather store them at the (free!, safe) parking at Depew, and take advantage of the additional train (LSL) whose evening run is at a far more convenient arrival time from NYC than any of the other trains. A trip to NYC has the maximum time available by taking 280 down and 49 up. There's also a healthy crowd getting *on* 49 at Buffalo to go west.All of these problems are solved via the Buffalo Central Terminal plan. The developer wants to build it into shopping space; a shopping mall with garage that also allows train riders to park (with access to all 4 round trips) is a slam dunk. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 15 00:59:16 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Mon Mar 13 18:03:12 2017. Aside from the neighborhood, was the terminal really that bad then? I think I've seen a picture or 2 from that time, and it looked OK, more or less. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 01:40:12 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:17:46 2017. I think it's simply because most Buffalonians own cars, would rather store them at the (free!, safe) parking at DepewIf they're driving, they don't want to take the train. And hopefully, there aren't any plans to shut the Exchange Street station if BCT is reopened. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:18:57 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 23:53:05 2017. I was not arguing for Central Terminal. It is in a terrible location. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:26:04 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 15 00:17:46 2017. The Lake Shore can't go downtown, and that is the heaviest loading train of the 4.Central Terminal doesn't solve anything. It is still several miles from downtown, in a shitty area, passengers aren't going shopping, and 4 round trip trains a day with 400 people on & off per day isn't going to have any economic impact on the neighborhood. If they want to build a shopping mall, there is not a valid excuse to drag Amtrak along. They are doing just fine in Depew. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:28:28 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 01:40:12 2017. If you live upstate, you drive, or a visitor gets picked up or dropped off by car.Driving from Lockport or Tonowanda or wherever to Depew is much different than driving to NYC or Chicago. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:35:23 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 15 00:59:16 2017. Yes. I was through there several times in the 1970's, including the start of one of the Jan 1977 blizzards. It was sewer. Everything about it was gross, waiting room, bathrooms, stairs. No concessions.Then there's the so-called stairs. The snow was piling up. The steps were totally snow-covered. I had to lie almost flat down, grab the bannister with one hand, my smaller bag with the other, hooked the suitcase around my foot, and crawled up the slope. Much easier to simply get off at Depew, and walk out of the dept. Somebody in Buffalo got the idea from St Paul Union Depot. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 15 07:54:05 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Tue Mar 14 16:10:45 2017. There wasn't a city around Grand Central Depot. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 15 08:31:50 2017, in response to NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 12 22:56:47 2017. 
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 08:44:16 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 15 07:54:05 2017. Yes there was, and the trains continued down to 23rd Street. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 08:47:00 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Mar 15 08:31:50 2017. The size of it makes Jamaica-LIRR look likea flag stop.Imagine the above for 4 trains a day. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 09:46:50 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 07:35:23 2017. Sounds like you haven't been to Buffalo in decades. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 09:53:41 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 08:47:00 2017. That's why the plan for a mall and other multi-purpose functions makes sense. There are many historic Amtrak stations that serve a handful of trains a day, but have been developed into destinations for other reasons. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 09:57:32 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Mar 14 16:20:50 2017. How many "Buffalonians" really want to do the day trip to Toronto thing? much less by train? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:06:47 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 09:57:32 2017. If you were in Buffalo, the grass is always greener elsewhere, especially Canada. Buffallonians go to Toronto like we go to Philly or DC. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 10:07:19 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Mar 14 23:53:05 2017. Buffalo Central is 2.5 miles from downtown. Doesn't sound too inconvenient if a light rail or dedicated bus line is established. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 10:09:25 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 15 09:57:32 2017. Why do you put Buffalonians in quotes? That is the accepted term. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:17:52 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 10:07:19 2017. But there won't be. The NFTA #17 Bus is long gone and forgotten, as is other parts of the NFTA bus system of 40 years ago.Even if they put the bus back, who the hell is going to take the #17 at 11pm to catch 49, get off 283, or get on 280 at 4am ? That's 3 of 8 trains right there. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:21:34 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 09:53:41 2017. But this is in the middle of nowhere. This is not downtown St Paul or Seattle. It's a ghetto on the edge of the city using Amtrak as a pawn.The only people who want this are a couple of local politicians, historians, and railfans trying to relive the 1960's. There is nothing to indicate rail passengers want it. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 10:25:00 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 10:07:19 2017. They have had light rail for thirty years, built phase one, never built phase 2 or 3. Extension plans have been talked again recently, right now it ends at UB south campus. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:29:31 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 10:25:00 2017. It doesn't even reach the busier Amherst SUNY Buff campus.The North Tonawnada extension was permanently deleted from their plans. Arnie Diamond bought their Cleveland PCC's that were intended for it that were stored under the Lackawanna Terminal. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 10:33:43 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:21:34 2017. So let's do a study of rail passengers' needs. How many would get off here and continue to downtown Buffalo, how many would drive to the station from the suburbs, what transit needs to be established to get to Buffalo, etc. We're all blowing smoke at this point. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:34:36 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 15 09:46:50 2017. I was last there in 2011, headed from Chicago to Toronto via 48 and Canada Greyhound. In an early weekday afternoon, I could have laid down in the middle of Main Street near the NFTA terminal and not get run over. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 15 10:38:10 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 08:44:16 2017. Not after GC Depot opened. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 15 10:43:22 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:34:36 2017. In an early weekday afternoon, I could have laid down in the middle of Main Street near the NFTA terminal and not get run over.Given that as of 2011, Main Street downtown had been closed to vehicular traffic for nearly 30 years, you are actually correct. But that's not what you were trying to convey, was it? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 10:56:08 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 10:29:31 2017. The extension to the North Campus area is back on the table again, should have been done a long time ago, lots of activity at UB, and along the whole Millersport Hway area. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 15 11:15:31 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 10:56:08 2017. I think the preferred alternative is via NF Blvd and the Boulevard Mall. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Mar 15 11:22:22 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 15 10:43:22 2017. Must have been the street next to it. It was a block away from the bus station. In any case, downtown was dead. The bus I took from Dick Road (I walked from Amtrak to Genessee 1.9 miles), that originated at the Airport, to downtown never had more than 5 people on it. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 11:22:44 2017, in response to Re: NY congressman Higgins writes Amtrak's Moorman in support of reopening Buffalo Central Terminal, posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 15 10:56:08 2017. Yes, I wasn't suggesting Millersport as a route, I was just mentioning how much "stuff" is out there now. Shopping, hotels, Northtown Center. Lots of people don't realize how many of the areas surrounding Buffalo are actually pretty nice. Anything that links the general area w/downtown would help both. |
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