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Posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 14:45:23 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 14:16:49 2017. The current program IS the fix. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 7 14:45:55 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 14:19:00 2017. Certainly, but y'all would not have known why it was being done like this unless I told you! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 14:47:12 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 14:34:00 2017. But how would it be verbalized ? Don't you think the media would screw it up ?After the Atlantic Terminal crash, I heard one of them referring to the subway lines there as the Yellow line, Green Line and Red Line. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 14:49:24 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 14:47:12 2017. Call it the letter. If people call it the number, there still is no confusion as everybody will know they what they are referring to anyway. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 14:52:18 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 14:47:12 2017. Put a tilda through the O or a slash through the 0. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 14:54:49 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 7 13:02:43 2017. And not one of your posts actually addresses what happened in REALITY, when those (N) ended at 57th Street. Do you really honestly think there are everyday regular passengers who lose sleep thinking how the MTA is being dishonest about (N) trains being disguised as (Q)? That is a made up issue.The REALITY was that people weren't happy when their (N) stopped short of Lexington. Riders heading to Astoria will give a shit when they hear their (N) suddenly announces it will run up 96th Street. No amount of side signage will change that. People don't find that easy in the first place. They just care whether their train is an (N) or a (Q). The REALITY is that people are highly likely to think their (N) is going to Astoria. The REALITY is that people know the (Q) goes to 2nd Avenue. Simple. All the other services with different terminals (the (A), (6), (5)) dedicate a huge amount of service to alternation. It is imperative that the MTA tell them on a map and reinforce through signs everywhere in a station and on a train that there are (A) trains that to Lefferts or to the Rockaways. The REALITY is people are accustomed to those noticeable services. But a few (N) a day that run on 2nd Avenue? Very few people besides operators, conductors, and railfans know that. So when they will see that program, they'll just hope the sign is wrong. It is very clear you are more concerned with aesthetics than you are with actual rider behavior. You are more OBSESSED with making things "even". You can't STAND the thought that there are (N) trains coming down 96th Street but only trains that say (Q) coming up. You keep bringing up Upper East Side riders when the focus of my posts has always been on the Astoria riders. I never even mentioned the UES riders. Why? Because it is Astoria riders that have a bigger risk of going to the wrong destination under a 2nd Avenue (N) sign that they won't be even paying attention to until the C/O announces it. The (Q) via Sea Beach is less likely to create doubt about the FINAL destination. And no, the 179th (E) situation is NOT the same and shouldn't even be compared with. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 15:07:34 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 14:54:49 2017. The WPR 5 is only a dozen trains each way.There are only 7 or so Rock Park A's. And there are only 4 179th E's, and that is EXACTLY THE SAME THING - 2 northern branches. Those trains are ALL properly marked. "Truth in advertising" is not about aesthetics. They have also broken their Southern Division branch nomenclature of 58 years, do not map for it, and contradict their own public timetables, both pdf and on-line. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 15:12:44 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 15:07:34 2017. WPR 5s are on the map, as are Rock Park As. E to 179 is a problem, but one without a better solution.If there were a standard service via 8th avenue that went to 179, (Lets call it the K, Lefferts-179, express in Brooklyn, local in Manhattan) The Es to 179 would surely be signed as K. Yes, the timetable should be fixed, as that is the problem. Not the train signs. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 15:22:29 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 14:47:12 2017. If MTA said it was the letter O, people would call it that. If some newsman calked it the Zero train, he would then be a laughingstock. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 7 15:58:26 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 7 14:45:55 2017. True. Most posters would have thought it was out of random unthinking behavior rather than the result of actual thought. :) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 7 16:02:15 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 15:22:29 2017. I agree. The H, I, K, O, T, U, V, and Y trains remain available for future use with no real problems. Even the P and X trains wouldn't be out of the question. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sat Jan 7 16:03:04 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 14:34:00 2017. You can't have a Q train because a cursive capital Q looks like a 2. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sat Jan 7 16:12:47 2017, in response to N to 96/2, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 3 02:06:40 2017. I don't like this. I understand the logic but I don't like it.Not even an army of singing Spider-Pigs can change my mind. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 7 16:37:22 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 14:54:49 2017. From a previous message:"Because it is Astoria riders that have a bigger risk of going to the wrong destination under a 2nd Avenue (N) sign that they won't be even paying attention to until the C/O announces it." My response: Imagine that I lived in Astoria and now need the N or W trains to get home. Imagine also that I am at the 34th Street-Herald Square station and can easily see the trains and the signage about the station platforms. On the local track there are arriving R-trains to Forest Hills, and W-trains to Astoria. On the express track there are N-trains to Astoria, a handful of N-trains to 96th Street/2nd Avenue, and Q-trains to 96th Street/2nd Avenue. Now which trains to take? The answer is simple. I take the N and W trains that ARE LABELED ASTORIA! I would also listen to the conductors and the announcements that SAY THE TRAIN IS TRAVELING TO ASTORIA! The existence of those other routes or destinations are NOT relevant to where I want to go. ----------- Imagine that my home station is at Castle Hill Avenue on the #6 train in the Bronx. Imagine also that I am at the 42nd Street-Grand Central Station and can easily see the trains and the signage about the station platforms. On the local track there are arriving #6 trains to Parkchester, and #6 trains to Pelham Bay Park. On the express track there are #4 trains to Woodlawn, #5 trains to Dyre Avenue, and #5 trains to 238th Street. Now which trains to take? The answer is simple. I take the #6 trains headed to Pelham Bay Park, because they stop at Castle Hill Avenue, and the other trains do not. I would also listen to the conductors and the announcements that SAY THE TRAIN IS TRAVELING TO PELHAM BAY PARK! The existence of those other routes or destinations are NOT relevant to where I want to go. ----------- Imagine that my home station was Beach 36th Street in Queens in Far Rockaway. Imagine also that I am at the 42nd Street-Eighth Avenue Station and can easily see the trains and the signage about the station platforms. I can also see the passageways to the various other train lines, and their signage. On the local track there are arriving C trains to Euclid Avenue, and E trains to the World Trade Center. On the express track there are A trains to Lefferts Blvd, A trains to Far Rockaway/Mott Avenue, and a few A trains to Rockaway Park. Now which trains to take? The answer is simple. I take the A-trains headed to Far Rockaway, because they stop at Beach 36th Street, and the others do not. I would also listen to the conductors and the announcements that SAY THE TRAIN IS TRAVELING TO FAR ROCKAWAY. It is totally non-relevant that there are other A-trains to Lefferts Blvd or even a few trains to Rockaway Park - because those trains are simply not going to where I need to go. It is also not relevant that at Times Square that there are #1, #2, #3, #7, N, Q, R, or W trains via the various passageways and platforms - because none of them are going to where I'm going. The existence of those other routes are NOT relevant to where I was to go. ------------ I simply do not know why you think that subway riders living in Astoria are stupid! Within my lifetime the following trains have traveled directly to and from Astoria - the RR, R, N, B, QB, Q, W, and now both N and W trains. There are other residents that can go back to the QT and I think the TT. Thankfully they gave me their subway maps! (Smile) It is so much fun having friends that live all over the city. They can point the best places to eat. (Smile) The thing that too many folks forget about the automated train announcements is that they are constant, and always indicate the destination of the train. While the front number or letter is important - it is not the only detail. GojiMet86 wants us to think that huge numbers of Astoria riders will be flumoxed by N-trains to 96th Street-2nd Avenue that at each station are constantly saying, "this is a 96th Street-2nd Avenue bound N-train." Then he accuses me of not "understanding the riders." Please! Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 16:39:41 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by merrick1 on Sat Jan 7 16:03:04 2017. Well I guess we'll have to start using cyrillic characters. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 16:55:04 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jan 3 19:43:55 2017. Then 6 and 7 diamonds only run for morning and afternoon weekday hours. The C and A run full-time 7 days a week, with the exception of midnight hours. Apples and oranges.BTW, there have been proposals in the past to eliminate diamonds by re-signing the diamond-7 as the 11 and the diamond-6 as some other number. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 16:57:23 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 3 19:57:41 2017. I doubt it. They overlooked it. Then they had to scramble, so they used the existing Q via Sea Beach program, which existed for GOs. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 17:00:07 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 7 16:37:22 2017. "the QT and I think the TT. " It was the T (West End Express). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 17:01:06 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 16:55:04 2017. 1. Not apples and oranges, the Q diamond ran bidirectionally 5 days a week and in the past the 7 diamond ran Saturdays. The current meaning of diamond is express variant of a local. Period. Rush hour / part time'd ness is irrelevant.2. Those proposals were made impossible with the single digit R142/R188 equipment. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 7 17:02:23 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 07:59:25 2017. I always thought the solution to that was to change the prefix on one side or the other. So the Reading side keeps R and the PRR side gets P. So P1 Airport, P2 Newark, P3 Elwyn, P5 Thorndale, P6 Cynwyd, P7 Trenton and P8 Chestnut Hill West. Because of the similarlity between P and R, they could also use L, because the PRR is the left side. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 7 17:02:55 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 07:53:39 2017. The timetable data should be updated as such. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 17:06:13 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sat Jan 7 12:33:53 2017. There is signage regarding the E to 179st on the express platform at Union Turnpike and Parsons Blvd. Also if I were sending a tourist to JFK I'd try and get them on the LIRR rather than the E, the subway is too unpredictable not to mention cumbersome with luggage. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 17:08:35 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 7 17:02:23 2017. Someone also came up with a novel idea to add 10 to the reading side numbers. So, R15 to Lansdale/Doylestown, R13 West Trenton, R16 Norristown, etc... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 17:34:44 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 12:53:30 2017. The best I can say to that is they will have a nice 7 minutes + 7 more minutes to reflect on their listening and observation skills as they backtrack to DeKalb.Fundamentally less people are confused by (Q) Via Sea Beach than there would be with (N) to 96th - 2AV. DeKalb is the only station destination where confusion leading to inconvenience may occur. People who treat the Brooklyn portion like an N will be fine. People confused who stay on the platform will also be fine. Conversely, anyone going to all of the Astoria line stops would be confused by signing them as N. The only valid reason I can think of to keep them labeled N is the schedule data. On a personal note I like anomalies like N to 96th/2nd so I would want them to label them N purely from a railfan perspective. But things that are fun for railfans are rarely good for customers (see: 90% of Wallyhorse's ideas). |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 17:38:08 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 17:01:06 2017. Equipment can be replaced.The A is hardly the express variant of the C. The A has a far longer route and has different terminals from the C at both its north and south ends, and three variants on the south end. So the A and C are different routes. The two 7s have the same route, one just makes express stops. The two 6s also run on the same route except that one goes a few stops further on the north end, and they share all their stops in Manhattan. So there is logic to using the same number but with a diamond. And what's your source that "The current meaning of diamond is express variant of a local. Period. Rush hour / part time'd ness is irrelevant."? Your opinion, or some official pronouncement? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 17:44:13 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 17:06:13 2017. BTW, if you look at the official MTA web page on how to get to the airport, you will find no mention of using the LIRR plus AirTrain. I have emailed them about this several times.http://web.mta.info/nyct/service/airport.htm |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 18:21:53 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 17:38:08 2017. Meanings can be changed.We can also have equilateral triangles. |
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Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 7 18:51:16 2017, in response to N to 96/2, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jan 3 02:06:40 2017. There's a simple solution. Only send the Q to 96th St. N should not go there. Period.GOs don't count. Occam's Razor. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 18:51:55 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 7 16:37:22 2017. What you do not comprehend at all is that people are less likely to wind up on the wrong (N) train if it is signed as a (Q). It has nothing to do with stupidity. Whatever SMALL number of people that might have still thought those 96th Street (N) were going to Astoria won't be inconvenienced if they don't get on a train that says (Q). Simple. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 19:05:14 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 17:38:08 2017. Not my opinion, it was the reason given when they eliminated diamonds for the Bronx B, 5 to Nereid Ave, A to Rockaway Park, and 4 at 138st (compare subway maps from before and after 2001). As for different terminals, the two Qs and the two 6s have different terminals as well.The only reason the A and C still retain separate route designations is inertia / people are used to it. If the current meaning of diamond was the one used when double letters were eliminated, the K would have never existed, it would have been the circle A and the regular A would have become the diamond A. And the B/C terminal swap could well have resulted in the C ceasing to exist as a route letter. As for equipment replacement, the equipment decision for all single digits was made after putting the double digit numbers on the R62A roll signs. That renumbering plan is deader than the NYC subway token. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Jan 7 19:06:41 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sat Jan 7 12:33:53 2017. I have helped several tourists on the Es to 179th. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 19:16:41 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 17:44:13 2017. Yes I recall you (or maybe someone else) mentioning it with the link. The Metro-North section of the website has had all the wrong links to LAZ's parking site for 2 years so I wouldn't hold my breath on that...FWIW my friend who lives on LI and has extremely minimal rail-awareness was able to figure out the existence of the transfer at Jamaica to Airtrain without incident by following Google's directions. Of course another friend was 3 blocks away from Atlantic terminal when she called a cab to Penn Station to grab the LIRR... (smh). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 7 19:26:54 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 18:21:53 2017. Square bullets are used in Broker and Dukes, diamonds in Bohan and hexagons in Algonquin. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 19:46:27 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 7 19:26:54 2017. Wish they'd bring back an actual subway for the next one. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 7 19:46:44 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jan 7 17:34:44 2017. It should be noted that these are all rush hour trains, so pretty soon most people will get used to it.The first time I ever saw an N labeled 57/7 on the express track at 14th (maybe 5 years ago), I didn't know if it would stop at 49th, where I wanted to get off. But pretty soon I learned that an N bound for 57/7 just about never stops at 49th. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 19:50:57 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 18:51:55 2017. We don't agree with you. SIMPLE. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 19:53:28 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 19:50:57 2017. You don't. I think a large majority of people affected DO agree with him, as does the MTA. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 19:55:47 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 7 18:51:16 2017. But then N & W ratio to Astoria will not be 1:1 and the earth will crack. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jan 7 19:59:03 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 19:53:28 2017. On this board, there is a definite split, as there is at MTA, or their train signage wouldn't contradict their timetable. I don't really care what MTA thinks anyway. For the subway passengers, when they see a misrouted Q, some will take it, some let it go. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 7 19:59:43 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by R30A on Sat Jan 7 19:53:28 2017. I agree that signing northbound Sea Beach trains headed for 96/2 as Qs will result in slightly fewer wrong moves than signing them as Ns.But I think after the first few weeks it'll be really minor either way. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 7 20:06:37 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 18:51:55 2017. GojiMet86 says:"What you do not comprehend at all is that people are less likely to wind up on the wrong (N) train if it is signed as a (Q). It has nothing to do with stupidity. Whatever SMALL number of people that might have still thought those 96th Street (N) were going to Astoria won't be inconvenienced if they don't get on a train that says (Q). Simple." Let's break this down: 1) GojiMet86 says that there will be a "SMALL number of people that might have still thought those 96th Street (N) were going to Astoria ..." So if it is a "small number of folks" - then why not just label those N-trains properly as N-trains? Then the riders won't be confused. He discounts the large number of N-train riders from Brooklyn that would have to ride these mis-labeled trains to reach their destinations in Manhattan. Does he discount their dis-comfort? Yes! 2) GojiMet86 says that there will be a "SMALL number of people that might have still thought those 96th Street (N) were going to Astoria ..." GojiMet86 basically admits that LARGE numbers of Astoria riders WILL NOT be flumoxed by N-trains to 96th Street-2nd Avenue that at each station are constantly saying, "this is a 96th Street-2nd Avenue bound N-train." 3) Yes, this is slightly off-topic. Prior to the mid-1970's and the city's fiscal crisis - N-trains ALWAYS ended at 57th Street-Seventh Avenue as Broadway Express trains! Why should it ever be "shocking" that N-trains are ending their runs at 57th Street? 4) There is a difference between "stuff that happens and coping as best as one can" - and an ON PURPOSE REGULAR PRACTICE and operations supported by the TA management. 5) Being on the side of mis-labeled trains, and mis-leading the riders is not a good position. When you start with a lie ... Mike |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 7 20:11:05 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 7 18:51:16 2017. That is Not how it Works... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 7 20:13:22 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jan 7 14:45:55 2017. Exactly Bill.. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 7 20:13:27 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Sat Jan 7 18:51:16 2017. N should not go there. Period.Then Astoria gets more Ns than it needs and 96/2 gets fewer. Money gets wasted. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 7 20:19:37 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 19:46:27 2017. Los Santos in GTA V has a light rail with underground portions. Those are excellent for escaping wanted levels. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 20:45:05 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Michael549 on Sat Jan 7 20:06:37 2017. The large number of Brooklyn riders won't mind. Almost all head to Manhattan. If not, they change to the (W) or (N).You just completely ignore the FACT and the REALITY that people were confused by the 57th Street (N). I saw it all the time. There WILL be confusion when they see it going to 96th Street. NOT ONE person heading to Astoria will give make the mistake of taking a (N) to 96th street now because they all see (Q) to 96th and that is what the (Q) does. What your telling me is that you're okay with a couple of people being stranded on the 2nd Avenue line if it means signing up those (N) as (N). No one gives a shit what the (N) did 50 years ago. |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Sat Jan 7 20:48:50 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 7 19:59:43 2017. Yeah, it's minor. But to see people really disappointed with that is just off-putting. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jan 7 21:28:45 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 7 17:44:13 2017. That page is under the NYCT site. So of course it wouldn't mention LIRR + Airtrain. The MTA needs to create an "MTA" page for airport directions that would then include LIRR + Airtrain. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Jan 7 21:39:17 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 7 15:58:26 2017. True. Most posters would have thought it was out of random unthinking behavior rather than the result of actual thought. :)Right, because many posters stupidly believe that everything the MTA and NYCT does is stupid when in actuality it is not. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Jan 7 21:42:34 2017, in response to Re: N to 96/2, posted by Q Brightliner Harry on Sat Jan 7 12:44:47 2017. I would suspect that the S/B 96 St Ns are needed for N service and since they can no longer be turned at 57 St in the AM they are sent to 96 St and return in the PM for N service. Somewhere along the thread, it was mentioned that these trains unlike the Wh Pl Rd 5s are not shown on the map. Well neither are the S/B 2s and 5s that go to Utica and N/Lts in the AM rush and which come out N/B from those destinations in the PM. Those trains are sent there to lay up in N/Lts Yd for PM service because they are not needed to come out of Flatbush in the AM. Other alleged anomalies that were mentioned were #1 Short turns at 137 St and #6 short turn at Parkchester. In both of those cases, the alternate terminals are stops along the line where passengers can change for through trains on the same platform so inconvenience is minimized. If the Ns to 96 St were operated in the PM in the peak direction of traffic, then passengers might have a gripe but since the alternate routing is basically against the main flow of traffic, only the few passengers who might need 5 Av or Lex/60 St or even the fewer who might want Queens destinations would be inconvenienced, and once they became aware of the existence of the oddball trains, they would be on the lookout for them and avoid them if necessary. |
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